International Clone Only cuts in the UK

[Boltdank]

Interestingly I had the same issue last year, leaves looking like that, pale new growth, terrible buds if the plants didn’t die.

Lost 2 crops and fixed it with aspirin in the water every day, plant vitality plus silver bottle ( banned now I think ) and fungus clear and rose clear.

Not lost anything at all this year but I’m still using all the above in rotation.

I could never figure out what was the cause and yes if it carried on I would have been ruined!

Good luck getting back on your feet fella

 

[Blazeee]

Right now im on the 3rd attempt trying to set back up. Im about 5 weeks in and have only just started seeing signs of damage. This run I have been treating my plants with Swirskii mites. I had already prepped my small pots with soil, and placed them and the swirskiis inside the propagator the same night i soaked my seeds, so the swirskii's have been on top of them from day1.

I have the koppert slow release sachets, ive not ordered them direct from Koppert, but when ive been getting them, they have life in them, ive been seeing a few Swirskii's on the back of the sachets after 2 weeks. I have been ordering the sachets weekly., because i started from seed ive only been ordering 25 sachets at a time each week, I flipped my plants last week and decided to add 50 sachets of Swirskii mites and I also released some cucumeris mites in there.

Before introducing the most recent batch of 50 sachets, i did abit of defoliation, i think thats where i fucked up as the next day I started seeing fresh signs of damage. Started with that leaf pictured on the tray, and now ive noticed a top on a different plant doing the same thing showing damage.

OJD do you have any recomendations on how many swirskiis i should be applying to say a 4x4 area, right now my plants are spread out over 18sqft.

That leaf twist is one of the first early symptoms. Other symptoms were the leaves blistering, looking like they had bumps on them, i was finding randon yellow blotches / patches on the leaves. The textutre of the leaves changes, my leafs would start with serrations then they would slowly disappear. New growth would put out that crazy leaf curl, with the leaf pictured on the tray, parts of the leaves would start to bend in strange directions from each other.

My mate sent me some og biowar foliar pack that expired in 2019, i havent tried using it yet as was worried that i might accidentally kill the swirskii mites. Do you brew the foliar pack overnight and can you spray throughout flower?

Once i sex my plants in the next week, i will move some of them out of what was my veg tent and try start some more plants and treat them with the a rotation of alternate methods, such as avid / forbid , maybe sulphur sprays.For now everything thats going to get flowered will only be treated with the Swirskiis and Og biowar, providing i can use them together. Also i dont suppose anyone knows what application rate i should mix and spray sulphur at in veg?

I will also make sure to pick some aspirin up asap and start watering it in.Does anyone know the application rate per litre?

 

[Boltdank]

Hi mate

I’m 100 percent sure we had the same pests and it’s getting common in the uk right now

Do your top level look glossy and almost wet? Before they die

 

[Blazeee]

Hi mate

I’m 100 percent sure we had the same pests and it’s getting common in the uk right now

Do your top level look glossy and almost wet? Before they die

I only had a couple fully die on me, the rest I culled before it got too bad. The first one i noticed on, the leaves started to blister and get bumps on them, it then started to claw down wards and slightly in on itsself, then the bronzing / yellowing up set in. But yes they did have a glossy appearance to them.

I have scoped my plants with a x100-250 handheld scope, scoping the most infected fresh growth before i have culled the plants and was able to id a russet mite and broad mite eggs, im pretty sure ive got or had both.

You say you havent lost anything this year, but do you still see signs of damage, or have you noticed a dent in yield? What about before you started treating them, did some turn out ok and some shit, or was the whole crop a loss? Also how much aspirin are you watering in?

 

[Boltdank]

Here was my schedule that nailed it

300mg dispersible aspirin per 10L water - you can get these from Tesco for 30 p a pack. I use it all the time nowerdays at once a week. To treat a mite infestation you need to use it every day

Plant vitality plus spray once a week - now banned but pretty sure it was just avermectin

Rose clear red bottle - does pests and fungus - once a week

Fungus clear - blue bottle - twice a week

This is in a house with 2 bloom rooms with 8 lights and a DR240 veg tent downstairs, nailed them in a week, however had a flair up recently and lost a few veg plants. I think these mites are here to stay and once you have them all you can do is manage them. Thry don’t affect my harvest nowerdays but you need to stay on top of the pesticide regime or you will lose….this pest was my biggest financial problem of my life this last few years and cost me a fortune. 6 months of zero productivity ! But seems we are back on top ……

 

[Boltdank]

Other questions

Yes I still see signs of damage, yield isn’t affected with that regime, before I started all the plants would shit the bed week 3 and fail, that’s after 20 years growing successfully too. I always thought it was viral but with the advent of sending clones from the USA recently I imagine it’s broad mites.

I still don’t know what it was or is… my regime worked for me, got me back on my feet if you know what I mean.

 

[Blazeee]

Here was my schedule that nailed it

300mg dispersible aspirin per 10L water - you can get these from Tesco for 30 p a pack. I use it all the time nowerdays at once a week. To treat a mite infestation you need to use it every day

Plant vitality plus spray once a week - now banned but pretty sure it was just avermectin

Rose clear red bottle - does pests and fungus - once a week

Fungus clear - blue bottle - twice a week

This is in a house with 2 bloom rooms with 8 lights and a DR240 veg tent downstairs, nailed them in a week, however had a flair up recently and lost a few veg plants. I think these mites are here to stay and once you have them all you can do is manage them. Thry don’t affect my harvest nowerdays but you need to stay on top of the pesticide regime or you will lose….this pest was my biggest financial problem of my life this last few years and cost me a fortune. 6 months of zero productivity ! But seems we are back on top ……

That you for sharing your experiences with me mate.

Ive got a few bottles of plant vitality silver bottle, my local shop stocks it. Before i culled everything the first time, I was treating with them with it as it was all i had, everything else in the past it has always killed in 1-2 shots. With these fuckers it seems as if after a couple applications they came resistant to it. So I stopped using it.

I think you are right though, seems like once you have them they are here to stay. Hopefully the Swirskii mites OG biowar and aspirin can help keep them at bay and allow me to pull a crop off.

 

[ojd]

You want to order 100 sachets from koppert.com( much cheaper than anywhere else) I used to order swirski mites sachets around £80-£100 then spray the OG biowar foliar pack( mine was years old and way past expiry date and still was good) twice a week just before lights out. Then when you wake up you will have hundreds of mites on each sachet.
I only ever bought 1 batch of predators a room per crop as they would multiply like crazy with the bio war, without they were dead in a week or 2 max and only ever see a few crawlers, with biowar they get everywhere and millions of them.

Also the heavy sprays will kill the good mites so try without that.
You must order from koppert.com otherwise your buying old Dead mites with a few still alive that shops order and keep in fridge or some not even that.

Wish you guys the best of luck

 

[MD84]

Is that Plant Magic essence anything like OG Biowar?

 

[Blazeee]

You want to order 100 sachets from koppert.com( much cheaper than anywhere else) I used to order swirski mites sachets around £80-£100 then spray the OG biowar foliar pack( mine was years old and way past expiry date and still was good) twice a week just before lights out. Then when you wake up you will have hundreds of mites on each sachet.
I only ever bought 1 batch of predators a room per crop as they would multiply like crazy with the bio war, without they were dead in a week or 2 max and only ever see a few crawlers, with biowar they get everywhere and millions of them.

Also the heavy sprays will kill the good mites so try without that.
You must order from koppert.com otherwise your buying old Dead mites with a few still alive that shops order and keep in fridge or some not even that.

Wish you guys the best of luck

Thanks OJD

I will put an order in for 100 sachets and hit them with the biowar foliar pack asap. As you say i still find the odd crawler on the old ones but they mostly disappear after a couple weeks.

Wish you all the best

 

[OakyJoe]

You want to order 100 sachets from koppert.com( much cheaper than anywhere else) I used to order swirski mites sachets around £80-£100 then spray the OG biowar foliar pack( mine was years old and way past expiry date and still was good) twice a week just before lights out. Then when you wake up you will have hundreds of mites on each sachet.
I only ever bought 1 batch of predators a room per crop as they would multiply like crazy with the bio war, without they were dead in a week or 2 max and only ever see a few crawlers, with biowar they get everywhere and millions of them.

Also the heavy sprays will kill the good mites so try without that.
You must order from koppert.com otherwise your buying old Dead mites with a few still alive that shops order and keep in fridge or some not even that.

Wish you guys the best of luck

THAT! glad people still advertise for koppert ( i worked for them a few years )

 

[Boltdank]

Is that Plant Magic essence anything like OG Biowar?

Nothing like it mate, totally different products

Bio war is pretty specific, have a google and read up on it, lots of people have had results with it but it’s a American product that you need to import so during lockdown I don’t imagine you’ll be able to source it anyway. It does work incredibly well tho.

 

[mack 10]

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That sucks.
I believe I had broad mites when they first struck
A few years back.

I got really bad canoeing on the leafs.
Then you get the damage on your clones,
If you can even make clones. lol.

Your first pics don't look like what I had but the second batch show more of what I got.
So maybe Russets?

Try and id them with a scope.
It's almost impossible to catch the broads but the eggs are very distinct, Google a pic.

Russets might be even worse?

I know that the big guys in America are still
Having problems with 'dudding'

Hemp viroid I think they called it.
The where having to use tissue culture,
Then meristem to clean up there clones
And still seeing it later in there growbeds.

Wether that is something different or the results of toxins ,from the mites chewing up your plants.


Koppert saved me too. Swirski mites ftw.

You just have to follow there instructions carefully.
Your environment must be humid for the mites to breed properly., an like OJDs tip of adding the OGbiowar with the swirski mites should fix you up

Vibes your way bro.


You need nerves of steel for these things.

Luckily I only had 5 clones which showed signs
And soon as I got the id.
I had to destroy them to save the room.
Then steam clean the room.

Hang those sachets everywhere.
And give the best conditions for breeding swirski mites, warm and humid.


I had to can the Starbud clone,
So you can imagine my pain.

Best of luck.

 

[MD84]

Nothing like it mate, totally different products

Bio war is pretty specific, have a google and read up on it, lots of people have had results with it but it’s a American product that you need to import so during lockdown I don’t imagine you’ll be able to source it anyway. It does work incredibly well tho.

Looks very similar to me. I just can't see any ingredients listed. It does seem to help fight pests which is interesting. I thing The Plant Magic essence was good for bacterial infections.

 

[Boltdank]

Looks very similar to me. I just can't see any ingredients listed. It does seem to help fight pests which is interesting. I thing The Plant Magic essence was good for bacterial infections.

Honestly they are totally different products mate in terms of their effective use, however I agree they both fight pests. It’s a bit like comparing shandy with absinthe tho. Essence won’t touch russet mites, Root aphids, spider mites etc, it’s more a soft approach for PM or brown spot etc. A bottle of fungus clear will do the same for a fiver ( however not organic )

The bio war stuff uses different specific strains at concentration levels that are unheard of ( most products like great white / essence / tarantula etc use less than 1 percent spores with 99 percent talc carrier where bio war is 20 - 30 percent spores with less talc making it 30 - 100 times stronger )

If you Do some reading up on OG bio war and it’s concentration vs other spore related products and you can see why it works the way it does. The guy who produces it goes by the name capulator and you can find him on a few forums. Incidentally it’s one of the only products I’ve seen that kills Root aphids on contact, They literally dissolve after a few minutes contact.

I’ve tried it a few times along with their root pack and it works great. They are renowned for running a Xmas and Black Friday 70 percent off sale every year so that’s the only time I order it, last time it was about 40 or 50 quid a kilo if I remember right. So order then and stock up if the worlds still spinning.

Cheers

 

[Cheesegez]

Blaze thanks for the message , man looks like you've had a bit of a hard time ... my problems look nothing like yours and ive never seen them bugs on my my crops , but thanks for mentioning it and I hope your on track now to resolving the problem. however , I have managed to collect what I believe to be spider mite from somewhere in the circle of trust , but shit happens and thankfully they haven't caused me the downtime you've injured.

Heres is one of the little putas

im pretty sure after a substantial amount of time of ruling things out it is oxygen depletion, or offgass as my PH , EC, and room conditions are pretty perfect and the problem still persists.

by adding fresh air into the room they do start looking better , but as soon as they start photosynthesising adequately they love the sealed environment and grow really well. It is just them initial stages when they are small and still looking for glucose from respiration but oxygen levels are a limiting factor of respiration...

we live and learn, fingers crossed for the next one bro..

CG

 

[Cheesegez]

my mate mayhem

my mate mayhem

Oh yer and mayhem was great me too ,I actually had a lot off respect for the guy until he disappeared with 2 n half k

burning bridges over money has never been on my agenda..

silly really he would of fucking loved this Pink Runtz

hope your well bro

 

[Blazeee]

That sucks.
I believe I had broad mites when they first struck
A few years back.

I got really bad canoeing on the leafs.
Then you get the damage on your clones,
If you can even make clones. lol.

Your first pics don't look like what I had but the second batch show more of what I got.
So maybe Russets?

Thanks Mack. I had previously scoped heavily damage foliage with a handheld x100-250 scope and positively id'd russet mite and i also saw broad mite eggs. The handheld scope is alright but think im also going to invest in a cheap usb microsope.

Ive got more predators enroute and have hit them with the biowar and will continue to do so as OJD's recommended.

My plants are in flower and were spread over 2 small tents, so ive pulled the males and moved them all in to one tent.

Once the swirskii's arrive i will try start some more seeds in the empty tent, with the swirskiis at first then alternate treatments with the og biowar and sulphur sprays in veg, then swirskiis and og biowar in flower.

It seems we are unable to purchase micronized or wettable sulphur over here, its on the rhs as bieng banned for use. I ordered some sulphur from ebay and tried mixing it but it didnt dilute and just floated at the top. Ive found a post online that talked about using sulphur soap then grating it before using it so will try that out in the future.

Blaze thanks for the message , man looks like you've had a bit of a hard time ... my problems look nothing like yours and ive never seen them bugs on my my crops , but thanks for mentioning it and I hope your on track now to resolving the problem.

Alright mate, I saw your post and wondered if it could have been the same, glad to hear its not. These things are a nightmare, hopefully i can get on top of them.

Wish you all the best.

 

[hazyfontazy]

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looks gorgeous

 

[yts farmer]

Nothing like it mate, totally different products

Bio war is pretty specific, have a google and read up on it, lots of people have had results with it but it’s a American product that you need to import so during lockdown I don’t imagine you’ll be able to source it anyway. It does work incredibly well tho.

Anybody needing to order any og biowar products should use "Farmer " in the voucher/promotion code for a decent discount of maybe 40%

Peace.