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PoopyTeaBags

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Ok i was turned on to this site from a thread maybe in this forum lol but i thought it was worth mentioning on its own rather then passing it by in the thread.... I suggest reading what this guy writes especially for flower dragon additive....

this is the guy i want in my corner.....
 
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Oh now you did it. People are going to be pissed off their magic snake oils are just complete rip off's. Big Bud, Flower Dragon...blkah blah blah blah....waste of coin.

Want to get rich? Come up with some fancy ass bottle labels, put nothing but water and a few minerals in them and charge 120 a liter. Until the consumer gets their head out of their ass, they will continue to make huge profits on masses of idiots.
 

spurr

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Ok i was turned on to this site from a thread maybe in this forum lol but i thought it was worth mentioning on its own rather then passing it by in the thread.... I suggest reading what this guy writes especially for flower dragon additive....

this is the guy i want in my corner.....

I for one don't want that guy in my corner, just looking over a few pages of his site I see many errors:

1. http://www.integralhydro.com/plantgrowthregulators.html

Paclobutrazol is a PGR (Plant Growth Retardant) not PGR (Plant Growth Regulator); that misnomer is blatant and is plant science 101. Coming from an 'expert' makes me know he is not an expert. Plant Growth Regulators are things that makes plants grow, not stop them from growing, such as brassinosteriods, triacontanol, etc.


2. http://www.integralhydro.com/beneficialmicrobes.html

"Microbial inoculants are used in agriculture as soil amendments that use beneficial bacteria and fungi to promote plant health and nutrition. They are applied as seed dressings for direct contact with roots as they germinate."
In the bold he is referring to AM fungi, a very special use case, not how microbes are applied in general use case.


Many of the beneficial bacteria and fungi form symbiotic relationships within the plant that are mutualistic. Roots themselves release exudates into the soil that are beneficial to the microorganisms which suggests a degree of co-evolution between microorganisms and plants that form the ecosystem of the rhizosphere.
Nope. There are very, very few known symbiotic microbes to cannabis; and even fewer "within" cannabis. In fact, the only organisms known to be symbiotic within cannabis are some species of AM fungi, but cannabis does not need AM fungi. Lots of microbes are synergistic to cannabis, not symbiotic.


The use of inoculants in agriculture has been shown to extend beyond their benefits as biological fertilizers (for instance mycorrizhae fungi fix phosphorous while other microbials’ fix nitrogen).
Nope again, "mycorrizhae" isn't even a word, it's spelled "mycorrhizae"! And mycorrhizal fungi is a large group of various organisms, some are symbiotic to plants, others not. Most ectomycorrhizal fungi are not symbiotic to plants (truffles, etc, are an exception) but AM fungi (a type of endomycorrhizal fungi) is symbiotic to plants, however, they do not fix P. AM fungi will solubize P from organic matter and provide the P anions to the roots, they also provide N and other ions to the roots. Some microbes do fix N, like N2 (atmospheric N) fixing bacteria, but they don't fix N2 as N and then just give the N to plants, N2 fixing bacteria hold the N until it's released via. microbial loop. Also, "microbials" is not a word, lol, that's two words the "expert" author made up!

Also, AM fungi should not be used with hydro because the type of AM fungi that can help cannabis is greatly hindered once P levels exceed about 20 ppm and once P levels exceed about 30 ppm AM fungi stop sporulation and stop infecting roots, thus they are not useful in hydro (or soilless) where chem ferts are applied.


Research into the disease resistance of microbialinnoculants in crop species shows they can initiate systemic acquired resistance (SAR) to several common crop diseases.
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Plants produce salicylic acid as a result of the HR and this increase in concentration of salicylic acid is an activator of SAR. Research has shown that aspirin (acetyl salicylic acid) can work as a trigger for SAR.
Plant do produce salicylic acid (SA) from biotic attack, but they also product jasomic acid (JA). There are many substances which are "SAR inducers", such as SA, JA, harpin protein, chitosan, etc. The autor is correct the SA is a SAR inducer (~100 ppm is good) and that the analog acetyl-SA (asprin) also induces SAR, *however*, SA reduces glandular trichome density and number! Thus you do not want to use SA to induce SAR. Jasomic acid, specifically methyl jasmonic acid, induces SAR and is proven to increase trich density and number in many plants. When JA is sprayed onto leafs it gets converted inside the leaf into two forms, one form, methyl jasmonic acid, is the form which induces greater trich destiny (per leaf area) and trich number (overall # of trichs).


I wouldn't buy his book because looking over his info for 5 min I found all those glaring errors, and his grammar and writing style is poor.
 

PoopyTeaBags

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you know everyone may be wrong on some things and to each his own but i found the info on the flower dragon shit to be priceless and regardless of the things he was wrong on he has alot of actual data from labs that he comparing shit from and me as someone trying to learn about nutes and how plants react to them and that its nice to read and learn... i for one found it to be great info and got it for free not needing to buy shit... i still say K+++

if you want to write up some article i would love to learn what you know too.. its seems there is a lack of good info about nutes and how they work with plants and what shit is junk and what shit actually works. if you do happen to start some articles drop me a pm so i dont miss them...!!
 

spurr

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FWIW, I wrote the article about phosphites you posted in a while ago about what companies are not telling you: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187090

And in that article I forgot to mention that when phosphites are applied to plants they greatly hinder AM fungi.

I did not mean to diss everything he wrote, not at all because I didn't read everything. I was just put off by the fact I noticed many errors after reading only a few paragraphs. I didn't read the part about Flower Dragon so can't comment. I just have a very high bar for authors and it irks me when no references are provided in a for cost book.

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