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Input needed! Clones of clones or mothers?
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Kush Technician
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I think tissue culture is the answer?
If you have the set up for sterile cell culturing
On Mad Hatter's point, I do think there's something to the accumulation of more negative epigenetic changes. I've been looking at plant epigenetics for a bit for the Biochemistry thread but it's a pretty fucking big and not at all understood area.
It seems possible that meristematic regions may also be regions of epigenetic variation due to the pluripotent nature of the cells found there. But as has been said, this shouldn't really be a concern unless you're stressing the mother or repeatedly breeding from shitty-ass cuts for 10's of generations at a time.
anferneybra
Member
Hey guys glad I checked back in here.
Been super busy with the new setup.
Luckily I have tons of room dedicated to about 30 -50 mothers all in 10 gallon pots. About 40-50 unique strains all in all. At my last place it was about 25. My work buddy has realized how nice it is to have mothers around because he needs about 100-150 clones every mother plus my 100-150. Each mother is a tree, well groomed every 2 weeks whether or not they are cloned that round. Feed - water - feed - water is what they are on. They each give off anywhere from 40-75 clones when need be, all root in 10-20 days.
That being said this discussion of clones of clones or mothers has brought me to the educated conclusion that its the health of the plant that dictates how well it roots, vegetates and ultimately flowers.
Everyone also needs to understand that the generation of growers from basements and hillsides do hear wives tales of how genetics works with marijuana. Depending on which old man you had to teach you how to grow, you could clone from clone or keep mothers. That being said, I am on the keep mothers end. Did it for years while running small 12 plant medical grow, harvesting 3 plants every month, 3 start flower, 3 veg, 1 mother.
You have to understand how hearing something from a mentor for years can make anyone believe something, especially with no real science to disprove or approve the topic. Now with a community of like minded people trying to achieve a similar goal of cultivating great cannabis, we can discuss said topics.
Thanks for input guys, always appreciated. I have another co2 topic starting check it out!
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Been super busy with the new setup.
Luckily I have tons of room dedicated to about 30 -50 mothers all in 10 gallon pots. About 40-50 unique strains all in all. At my last place it was about 25. My work buddy has realized how nice it is to have mothers around because he needs about 100-150 clones every mother plus my 100-150. Each mother is a tree, well groomed every 2 weeks whether or not they are cloned that round. Feed - water - feed - water is what they are on. They each give off anywhere from 40-75 clones when need be, all root in 10-20 days.
That being said this discussion of clones of clones or mothers has brought me to the educated conclusion that its the health of the plant that dictates how well it roots, vegetates and ultimately flowers.
Everyone also needs to understand that the generation of growers from basements and hillsides do hear wives tales of how genetics works with marijuana. Depending on which old man you had to teach you how to grow, you could clone from clone or keep mothers. That being said, I am on the keep mothers end. Did it for years while running small 12 plant medical grow, harvesting 3 plants every month, 3 start flower, 3 veg, 1 mother.
You have to understand how hearing something from a mentor for years can make anyone believe something, especially with no real science to disprove or approve the topic. Now with a community of like minded people trying to achieve a similar goal of cultivating great cannabis, we can discuss said topics.
Thanks for input guys, always appreciated. I have another co2 topic starting check it out!
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I've been cloning clones from clones for 5 to 7 years now on some plants. No change what so ever 
Always growin dank trees with the clones from clones! I've never had the room to keep mothers, so this is what has worked for me. 
SL
Always growin dank trees with the clones from clones! I've never had the room to keep mothers, so this is what has worked for me. SL
greekgardner
Member
I have a DJ Blueberry that ive had for 11 years now,clone of clones and its the exact same clone as the mother
It would be interesting to compare clones of clones taken from repeated generations of unhealthy or strained plants to those of repeated generations of healthy plants. Quite a long term thing though... You're talking potentially hundreds of generations after all.
It also sounds a lot like Lamarkian inheritance (acquired traits) which is uncomfortable ground haha
It also sounds a lot like Lamarkian inheritance (acquired traits) which is uncomfortable ground haha
I cloned a clone of a cloned sheep once, genetic drift turned it into a steer.
Aardwolf
Member
For me it would depend on the cultivation situation. I will always keep mother plants but if a particular grows specifications allowed me to use the quick grown meristematic tissue for cuttings and I had the space I would not keep designated mothers I would just cycle the shit out of it.
Comparing clones is nonsense unless the genetics or environment are different, the type of cutting method used will make a difference only to the amount of cuttings obtainable per plant.
Comparing clones is nonsense unless the genetics or environment are different, the type of cutting method used will make a difference only to the amount of cuttings obtainable per plant.
Genetic Drift....hmmm, is that like someone with a "vertical family tree"? LOL. Glad my mother is not my sister! Quality in---quality out.
ROFLMAO
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Carlos Danger
Jesus wept, I am so happy to see the day the "genetic drift" nonsense has been put back where it belongs. For a long time here on ic there were many vocal maroons shouting down reality, but it seems experience speaks louder.
Eclipse pretty much nailed it. The problem with some growers thinking that clones will lose Potency, Vigor, Trichomes, etc, is they or their friends don't treat their MOMs right 365 days a year. I too have seen clones from MOMs go down hill too and it was because of those days that my Moms saw stress over a period of time. Just like Eclipse said about cancer in humans. Environmental factors play a roll and that's why Phenotype = Genotype + Environment. I treat my moms better than I treat anything else in life. Just messing up your MOMS 1 or a few times can mess up your future clones for life and send the genetics down hill. That seems to be a big problem with a lot of growers. A lot of growers treat their plants as a piggy bank and don't put 100% of themselves into the grow and MOMs. If you ask them though they will tell you that they do.
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