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Inmate Count in U.S. Dwarfs Other Nations’

SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
NY Times

By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: April 23, 2008

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

Criminologists and legal scholars in other industrialized nations say they are mystified and appalled by the number and length of American prison sentences.

The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King’s College London.

China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.)

San Marino, with a population of about 30,000, is at the end of the long list of 218 countries compiled by the center. It has a single prisoner.

The United States comes in first, too, on a more meaningful list from the prison studies center, the one ranked in order of the incarceration rates. It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. (If you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up.)

The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people. The others have much lower rates. England’s rate is 151; Germany’s is 88; and Japan’s is 63.

The median among all nations is about 125, roughly a sixth of the American rate.

There is little question that the high incarceration rate here has helped drive down crime, though there is debate about how much.

Criminologists and legal experts here and abroad point to a tangle of factors to explain America’s extraordinary incarceration rate: higher levels of violent crime, harsher sentencing laws, a legacy of racial turmoil, a special fervor in combating illegal drugs, the American temperament, and the lack of a social safety net. Even democracy plays a role, as judges — many of whom are elected, another American anomaly — yield to populist demands for tough justice.

Whatever the reason, the gap between American justice and that of the rest of the world is enormous and growing.

It used to be that Europeans came to the United States to study its prison systems. They came away impressed.

“In no country is criminal justice administered with more mildness than in the United States,” Alexis de Tocqueville, who toured American penitentiaries in 1831, wrote in “Democracy in America.”

No more.

“Far from serving as a model for the world, contemporary America is viewed with horror,” James Q. Whitman, a specialist in comparative law at Yale, wrote last year in Social Research. “Certainly there are no European governments sending delegations to learn from us about how to manage prisons.”

Prison sentences here have become “vastly harsher than in any other country to which the United States would ordinarily be compared,” Michael H. Tonry, a leading authority on crime policy, wrote in “The Handbook of Crime and Punishment.”

Indeed, said Vivien Stern, a research fellow at the prison studies center in London, the American incarceration rate has made the United States “a rogue state, a country that has made a decision not to follow what is a normal Western approach.”

The spike in American incarceration rates is quite recent. From 1925 to 1975, the rate remained stable, around 110 people in prison per 100,000 people. It shot up with the movement to get tough on crime in the late 1970s. (These numbers exclude people held in jails, as comprehensive information on prisoners held in state and local jails was not collected until relatively recently.)

The nation’s relatively high violent crime rate, partly driven by the much easier availability of guns here, helps explain the number of people in American prisons.

“The assault rate in New York and London is not that much different,” said Marc Mauer, the executive director of the Sentencing Project, a research and advocacy group. “But if you look at the murder rate, particularly with firearms, it’s much higher.”

Despite the recent decline in the murder rate in the United States, it is still about four times that of many nations in Western Europe.

But that is only a partial explanation. The United States, in fact, has relatively low rates of nonviolent crime. It has lower burglary and robbery rates than Australia, Canada and England.

People who commit nonviolent crimes in the rest of the world are less likely to receive prison time and certainly less likely to receive long sentences. The United States is, for instance, the only advanced country that incarcerates people for minor property crimes like passing bad checks, Mr. Whitman wrote.

Efforts to combat illegal drugs play a major role in explaining long prison sentences in the United States as well. In 1980, there were about 40,000 people in American jails and prisons for drug crimes. These days, there are almost 500,000.

Those figures have drawn contempt from European critics. “The U.S. pursues the war on drugs with an ignorant fanaticism,” said Ms. Stern of King’s College.

Many American prosecutors, on the other hand, say that locking up people involved in the drug trade is imperative, as it helps thwart demand for illegal drugs and drives down other kinds of crime. Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey, for instance, has fought hard to prevent the early release of people in federal prison on crack cocaine offenses, saying that many of them “are among the most serious and violent offenders.”


Still, it is the length of sentences that truly distinguishes American prison policy. Indeed, the mere number of sentences imposed here would not place the United States at the top of the incarceration lists. If lists were compiled based on annual admissions to prison per capita, several European countries would outpace the United States. But American prison stays are much longer, so the total incarceration rate is higher.

Burglars in the United States serve an average of 16 months in prison, according to Mr. Mauer, compared with 5 months in Canada and 7 months in England.

Many specialists dismissed race as an important distinguishing factor in the American prison rate. It is true that blacks are much more likely to be imprisoned than other groups in the United States, but that is not a particularly distinctive phenomenon. Minorities in Canada, Britain and Australia are also disproportionately represented in those nation’s prisons, and the ratios are similar to or larger than those in the United States.

Some scholars have found that English-speaking nations have higher prison rates.

“Although it is not at all clear what it is about Anglo-Saxon culture that makes predominantly English-speaking countries especially punitive, they are,” Mr. Tonry wrote last year in “Crime, Punishment and Politics in Comparative Perspective.”

“It could be related to economies that are more capitalistic and political cultures that are less social democratic than those of most European countries,” Mr. Tonry wrote. “Or it could have something to do with the Protestant religions with strong Calvinist overtones that were long influential.”

The American character — self-reliant, independent, judgmental — also plays a role.

“America is a comparatively tough place, which puts a strong emphasis on individual responsibility,” Mr. Whitman of Yale wrote. “That attitude has shown up in the American criminal justice of the last 30 years.”

French-speaking countries, by contrast, have “comparatively mild penal policies,” Mr. Tonry wrote.

Of course, sentencing policies within the United States are not monolithic, and national comparisons can be misleading.

“Minnesota looks more like Sweden than like Texas,” said Mr. Mauer of the Sentencing Project. (Sweden imprisons about 80 people per 100,000 of population; Minnesota, about 300; and Texas, almost 1,000. Maine has the lowest incarceration rate in the United States, at 273; and Louisiana the highest, at 1,138.)

Whatever the reasons, there is little dispute that America’s exceptional incarceration rate has had an impact on crime.

“As one might expect, a good case can be made that fewer Americans are now being victimized” thanks to the tougher crime policies, Paul G. Cassell, an authority on sentencing and a former federal judge, wrote in The Stanford Law Review.

From 1981 to 1996, according to Justice Department statistics, the risk of punishment rose in the United States and fell in England. The crime rates predictably moved in the opposite directions, falling in the United States and rising in England.

“These figures,” Mr. Cassell wrote, “should give one pause before too quickly concluding that European sentences are appropriate.”

Other commentators were more definitive. “The simple truth is that imprisonment works,” wrote Kent Scheidegger and Michael Rushford of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation in The Stanford Law and Policy Review. “Locking up criminals for longer periods reduces the level of crime. The benefits of doing so far offset the costs.”

There is a counterexample, however, to the north. “Rises and falls in Canada’s crime rate have closely paralleled America’s for 40 years,” Mr. Tonry wrote last year. “But its imprisonment rate has remained stable.”

Several specialists here and abroad pointed to a surprising explanation for the high incarceration rate in the United States: democracy.

Most state court judges and prosecutors in the United States are elected and are therefore sensitive to a public that is, according to opinion polls, generally in favor of tough crime policies. In the rest of the world, criminal justice professionals tend to be civil servants who are insulated from popular demands for tough sentencing.

Mr. Whitman, who has studied Tocqueville’s work on American penitentiaries, was asked what accounted for America’s booming prison population.

“Unfortunately, a lot of the answer is democracy — just what Tocqueville was talking about,” he said. “We have a highly politicized criminal justice system.”
 

Lucky 7

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Great read, Mr Guy . . . one with some real answers. I place a lotta blame on the purtian attitudes and failed "drug war" of sh*t.

“Minnesota looks more like Sweden than like Texas,” said Mr. Mauer of the Sentencing Project. (Sweden imprisons about 80 people per 100,000 of population; Minnesota, about 300; and Texas, almost 1,000. Maine has the lowest incarceration rate in the United States, at 273; and Louisiana the highest, at 1,138.)

I know somebody incarcerated in Texas: drug related, but bottom line is they stole $1500 & got 3 yrs.

I know peeps in Minnesota that stole $15 to $20,000, one from a church! They did NO jail time.

Elected Judges & over zealous DA's also must share the crisis

:chin:
 

SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
Lucky 7 said:
Great read, Mr Guy . . . one with some real answers. I place a lotta blame on the purtian attitudes and failed "drug war" of sh*t.

I know somebody incarcerated in Texas: drug related, but bottom line is they stole $1500 & got 3 yrs.

I know peeps in Minnesota that stole $15 to $20,000, one from a church! They did NO jail time.

Elected Judges & over zealous DA's also must share the crisis

:chin:

I was watching "The Drug Years" documentary series the other day about coke. No doubt there were REAL problems associated with that and now similar issues with Meth. Trouble is with all the misinformation and people that don't know squat about it other than what they hear on the news, lump everything into one category that equals "drugs are bad mmmkay?"

And its become such a business for the states that they are afraid that if they don't take a tough stance on ALL controlled substances, that the feds will yank their funding and they might have to go out and solve actual crimes with a limited budget instead of getting big bucks yearly so that every officer has full riot gear that they probably don't need.
For example, our itty bitty local city police force recently got fed funding for bullet proof vests for EVERYONE. Not just the officers that need it and already had them, but the people in the office including the 911 operator. They made a big deal out of it, picture in the paper, posing wearing it and it was all from a 100k+ fed grant. Then, they get in the same paper 6 months later pissing and whining because they cannot afford gas to patrol and want to raise taxes to make up for their shortfall.
And it goes on and on with their drug dog and their hazmat trailer to bust in on Billy Bob cooking meth in his kitchen, its just friggin STUPID how much money they waste on crap they don't need, but the feds are buying so its an open bar for them.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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......are there shareholders that benefit from the U.S. penal system.....by getting dividends yearly?.....I heard that there were private companies that run prisons in the U.S.....is this true?

....and I wonder how many of those citizens banged up (imprisoned) in the U.S. yearly are put there for a victimless crime....(growing, using 'erb....e.t.c.?)
 
Gypsy Nirvana said:
......are there shareholders that benefit from the U.S. penal system.....by getting dividends yearly?.....I heard that there were private companies that run prisons in the U.S.....is this true?

....and I wonder how many of those citizens banged up (imprisoned) in the U.S. yearly are put there for a victimless crime....(growing, using 'erb....e.t.c.?)

YES!!! 4 of them that are on the stock market. One stock is based on how many people is locked up at one time. So the more locked up the higher it goes. on showtime the have s movie called "last white hope" and the talked about it.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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purple wreck said:
YES!!! 4 of them that are on the stock market. One stock is based on how many people is locked up at one time. So the more locked up the higher it goes. on showtime the have s movie called "last white hope" and the talked about it.

....ah so....it's really about the shareholders making money from incarcerating people.......so in effect the more prisoners....the more funds they make.....


...there's money to be made for these people by criminalizing more and more of society....


oh man....thats sad...very sad indeed.
 

kmk420kali

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
....ah so....it's really about the shareholders making money from incarcerating people.......so in effect the more prisoners....the more funds they make.....


...there's money to be made for these people by criminalizing more and more of society....


oh man....thats sad...very sad indeed.

Not only that, but there was also the Prison Boom in the 80's and 90's...they used the Legal System to vastly overcrowd jails and prisons...opening the door for the massive push to build Prisons-- Of course when it all came out, it was a select few that were getting the contracts for these multi Billion dollar "Projects"...but of course Politics and Big Business would never do anything shady....right??
:badday:
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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so this goes back to bush senior???
what a evil family. cespool of greed, and evil.
i just want 2 minutes alone with him, i wont break too many bones....
dont forget we spend 1billion $+ a year inprisoning stoners !
 
"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes." -andrew jackson

pretty much sums it up for me.
 

SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
There are areas in my state that are completely fueled by prison economy.

I know of one close by that was dead by all accounts 10 years ago with nothing left but a ma/pa grocery and gas station until they built a prison. Now theres WalMart, several fast food joints, 3 or 4 24 hr convenience stores and several other service type business's.
The prison is by far the largest employer as there were no jobs there before that.

Oh, and Ma/Pa folded due to competition from WalMart, go figure.
 

Lucky 7

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^^ Sad but true . . . you know what they say in Texas? Half of the people are locked up, the other half get paid to watch them. Now add: they rotate every few years!

Yes, privatizing the penal system only complicates the matter. It's weird, they have everybody turning in their friends/family members.

I don't believe the police should even be involved in drug investigations, it justs wastes their time & resources. And we all suffer for it. It should be more of a social/domestic matter.
 

hamstring

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la resistance said:
"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes." -andrew jackson

pretty much sums it up for me.

La resistance I really like the Andrew Jackson quote.

Great read and it is unbelievable. We just had a new jail (not prison) in my city a few years ago. They make money by housing some federal criminals at times. I cannot believe the lunacy of all this.

The US has adopted the premise that greed is always good. So the rich are the only one represented in our government today. Multi million dollar campaigns and there is no middle class representation. Fewer and fewer companies remain they are all ran buy just a few people. Reminds me if my history correct of the 1920-1930’s when rich controlled the stock market.

Give me the good ole day when it was actors who ran for office.

PEACE
 

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