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INDOOR HYDRO w/BIG PLANTS.......Which System?

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johnnyla

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Growing under several 1000 watts i would like to grow a few large plants. The goal is to have it as automated as possible. I'm thinking Eb and Flow tables but not sure about what containers to go with.

I'm thinking one or two plants per 1000watt light?

Any ideas or tips?

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foolish fool

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I'm thinking ebb n grow type buckets would work out better than tables, still the same concept but you have nice big buckets to support your trees and can configure them however you want inside your footprint. Definitely see what the pros have to say though....
 
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johnnyla

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i was thinking buckets too but it seems they only sell smaller sized buckets with the ebb n grow system.

thanks for lookin' out.
 
foolish fool

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yeah for sure, might as well do tables if your going to use the little 2 gal buckets. I'd DIY it with whatever size buckets you need, I've seen plenty of monsters in 5 gallon but there's no reason you couldn't go bigger.
 
growshower

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ummm go take a look at mashup's thread called synthetic operations, under current hydro system with 8 gallon buckets, my man pulls monsters on the regular
 
ajc0k

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im on the same boat bro.. i cant decide im going between 6k vertical a/c co2 coco 8 gallon pot drip grow doing trees or 6k horizontal with 2 12-site XL under current systems 3k on each system in the magnum hoods scrogged. i'm leaning towards coco even though im cravin the rdwc waaayy more just so to not deal with buying bags of coco i hate going to hydro stores. the plan would be to have 5-6 plants vegging under two 400 mh vertical bulbs for like 8 weeks untopped in coco 2 gallon pots, then transplant to 8 gallon pots before flower... while your 5-6 huge trees under the 6k are ready to harvest.. then throw the 8 week vegged girls in flower room, throw fresh clones in veg. fat trees galore..
however, the Under current system just seems too cool i want it.. how do you guys think it'd perform with two under current 12 xl systems under 6k vertical bare bulb with co2? how would you arrange the 6 lights bare bulb? or would the magnum hoods suit the system better ??
which would probably pull more nugs?
 
samba

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waterfarm!
http://www.genhydro.com/genhydro_US/waterfarm.html
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*mistress*

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ajc0k said:
im on the same boat bro.. i cant decide im going between 6k vertical a/c co2 coco 8 gallon pot drip grow doing trees or 6k horizontal with 2 12-site XL under current systems 3k on each system in the magnum hoods scrogged. i'm leaning towards coco even though im cravin the rdwc waaayy more just so to not deal with buying bags of coco i hate going to hydro stores. the plan would be to have 5-6 plants vegging under two 400 mh vertical bulbs for like 8 weeks untopped in coco 2 gallon pots, then transplant to 8 gallon pots before flower... while your 5-6 huge trees under the 6k are ready to harvest.. then throw the 8 week vegged girls in flower room, throw fresh clones in veg. fat trees galore..
however, the Under current system just seems too cool i want it.. how do you guys think it'd perform with two under current 12 xl systems under 6k vertical bare bulb with co2? how would you arrange the 6 lights bare bulb? or would the magnum hoods suit the system better ??
which would probably pull more nugs?
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if have a 10x10, or 12x12 area, would run 5 1k's, vertically, bare bulb.
in this fashion:

plant-light-plant
light-light-light
plant-light-plant

only 4 plants...

1k hps in the middle, 1k sunmaster warm deluxe's around perimeter. use extra 1k to supplement 400's in veg, if only for 6 hrs a day. 1k's do wonders in veg for tree growers.

run 4 plants. in 2 week staggered rotation. can harvest ~every 2-3 weeks, depending on strain.

veg plants to ~2' of actual plant height before considering flowering for trees. should be staked/tied-up/down, thinned appropriately, and de-leafed in first week of veg. should seek @ least a 4x4x4 plant @ harvest for tree.

should have @ least 20k-2 ton btu ac for that situation...

if go w/ the 5 1k's vert, stagger the hanging positions, so that a couple of the lights are positioned higher than others. say, on a 6" sliding config. this will allow light to be coming from top and sides; will foster more lateral shoot development.

ran dwc many mornings ago. very doable and will get plants huge. coco is less constant management, comparable w/ final weights, and requires less technical reliance on machines - if hand water.

either will do trick; whether many plants, or just 4. have run both. fewer plants and less automation work well in imaginary garden. some gardeners prefer machinization and water culture.

main thing is thinning plants to maximize potential in space allocated. a 5x5x5 plant will supply many fruits, so will 12 smaller plants. really based on preference... do both. 1 side 12 plants, other side 1-2 trees. see which method like best.

5 gallon buckets will grow huge plants, if veg in 5 gallon containers. if veg in the 2 gals, make sure to give @ least 5-7 days in 8 gals before initiating flower! roots need time to colonize new residence. dont want to just transplant and flower. roots may stop growth once flower started; needs time to get est. in new media. dont want to pull roots @ harvest and find only 1/3 of media w/ roots in it. trees require decent veg time; or @ least intense light in short time.

hope this helps. enjoy your garden!
 
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johnnyla

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woah thanks ya'll!!!!

i'm thinking maybe cocoa.

i would love to do that high tech new underwater thing but seems out of my price range right but who knows?

What's the pro's and cons of vertical over horizontal lights?

thank you mistress.
 
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EvilTwin

Hi Johnny,
You definitely don't want trays. They're too shallow and really are meant for small plant SOG style growing. With hydro you can get away with smaller pots which is why the hydrofarm and the multi-pot/ebb and gro systems utilize only 2 gallon pots. I have a single hydrofarm that I bought to experiment with and got really decent sized plants...pushing 4 feet. But if you're talking about monsters...real treez, then you may want to go with 3.5 gal or 5 gal.

I'm just finishing up building a 17 pot (2 gal) E&F. It's really very easy to build though the controller bucket is complicated. I haven't put it in service yet, but everything is looking good so far. Check out some of the multi-pot threads and Ogre and Krypto's tutorials. If you don't mind doing a little work, you can save about half on setting up that type of system. Fun and satisfying too. Hope that helps.
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johnnyla said:
woah thanks ya'll!!!!

i'm thinking maybe cocoa.

i would love to do that high tech new underwater thing but seems out of my price range right but who knows?

What's the pro's and cons of vertical over horizontal lights?

thank you mistress.
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pros of vert lighting [bare bulb]:
no hood(s)
no reflector(s)
no ducting to ^
no barrier between light and plants (glass on air cooled hoods)
no additional materials needed
lateral growth

cons
heat is permeated out into surrounding atmosphere @ 360*
must have air flow/circulation in order, or heat may cause issues
maintenance in/on garden, due to different config; initially

only comparisons in fictitious concepts of imaginary garden...

basically, just have airflow+cooling ok, and will be ok.

abandoned hoods and such and now no heavy materials to get in way. just lights and plants. end.

hope this helps. enjoy your garden!
 
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