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In the weeds: Paul, Christie, Perry open to softer pot laws ahead of 2016

RetroGrow

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Amazingly, Republicans are taking their heads out of their asses:

"Republicans eyeing the White House in 2016 are pushing their party to change its stance and accept a softening of federal marijuana laws — a dramatic shift from the GOP’s most recent contenders who railed against the drug and questioned its medicinal value.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky has arguably been the most vocal on the subject, saying the federal government should leave the issue entirely to the states. Texas Gov. Rick Perry also argues that marijuana’s legal status should be a state issue, and he points to drug courts in his state that he said have helped move Texas toward decriminalization.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, meanwhile, has vowed to scrap the “failed war on drugs” altogether — more than four decades after President Nixon, a Republican, set it into motion by naming drug abuse as “public enemy No. 1 in the United States.”

“Certainly, the Republican Party has been a lot slower moving on this issue than on the Democratic side, but particularly in the past several months some prominent figures have sort of recalibrated themselves when it comes to the issue of marijuana,” said Erik Altieri, a spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

“This is something that probably would have been unimaginable in 2008: that GOP front-runners for president would be talking in terms of being smart on crime rather than hard on crime.”
In 2012, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney promised to fight “tooth and nail” against marijuana legalization, even for medical use, and the 2008 nominee, Sen. John McCain, said scientific evidence shows that pot is a “gateway drug.”

Mr. McCain, though, signaled an attitude change in September by saying that “maybe we should legalize” marijuana.
The shift has happened in both parties. In a New Yorker interview published this month, President Obama — who has acknowledged using pot in his youth — said marijuana may be less dangerous as a drug than alcohol.

But some are imploring both parties to hold firm.

“Let’s protect our kids and communities. Do we want a massive dumbing down of our young people in our country?” said Calvina Fay, executive director of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs. “There are many solutions to this problem that do not include giving up and legalizing and normalizing drug use.”
Public opinion is headed the other direction, however. Voters in two states — Colorado and Washington — have approved referendums allowing people older than 21 to possess a limited amount of marijuana for personal use, and more than 12 states have decriminalized possession of small amounts. Since 1996, when California became the first state to enact legislation allowing medical marijuana, 20 other states have followed suit.

Sixteen states have decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana, and some are positioned to follow Colorado and Washington by allowing recreational by adults.

In states that permit medical marijuana, it is commonly prescribed for chronic pain, nausea from cancer chemotherapy, glaucoma and some other conditions.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll released this week found that 55 percent of those surveyed would support efforts in their states similar to those in Colorado and Washington.

Under federal law, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I substance, making it illegal for anyone to manufacture or distribute the drug.
But the Obama administration has said it will give states leeway as long as they don’t see evidence that criminal gangs are trafficking the drug or that children are increasingly gaining access.

That makes pot an issue in states that will be important in the 2016 elections, including New Hampshire, which hosts the first-in-the-nation presidential primaries and where dozens of Republicans in the state legislature helped pass a bill legalizing marijuana for recreational use.

Rep. Steve Vaillancourt, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said he is “absolutely ashamed” that Republicans opposed same-sex marriage when it passed in New Hampshire and hopes they will not be on the wrong side of history again on the marijuana issue.

“Republicans have been a little slow to come around, but in a few years, I think, Republicans will overwhelming be supporting this kind of stuff,” he said.

Mr. Paul has said that smoking marijuana is not a good idea and could shave a few points off a person’s IQ.

Still, he said, states should be able to legalize marijuana if they want and it does not make sense to send nonviolent pot smokers to prison.

Mr. Perry told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last week that he opposed legalization but said his job as governor is to pursue policies — such as drug courts — “that can start us on the road towards decriminalization.”

Mr. Christie used his inaugural address this month to say the “war on drugs” was based on the misguided notion “that incarceration is the cure of every ill caused by drug abuse.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...2016-star/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/29/republicans-eyeing-a-presidential-run-in-2016-star/
 
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m314

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Libertarian leaning Republicans have been against the drug war for a long time. I registered as a Republican for the last election so I could vote for Ron Paul in the primary. I ended up voting for Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico. Both of them have supported legalization for years.

It's encouraging to see guys like John McCain change their minds on the issue. McCain said he changed his mind after he met smart, successful people who liked to get high. Potheads don't generally fit the old stoner stereotypes.

Legalization isn't really a Democrat vs Republican issue. More Republicans support the old prohibition laws, but I think that's more from demographics than anything else. Older people tend to vote Republican, and older people support legalization less than the younger generations. No matter how you look at it, it's only a matter of time before the prohibition laws go away for good.
 

RetroGrow

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I thought the most telling comment was Christie's comment that the entire "war on drugs" should be scrapped....something all of us already have known for decades.
 

m314

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I thought the most telling comment was Christie's comment that the entire "war on drugs" should be scrapped....something all of us already have known for decades.

I figured that out in my early 20s when I realized we had been lied to in high school. Weed and psychedelics weren't the terrible drugs they made them out to be. Even if some drugs are dangerous, most people who try them don't have their lives ruined. Not unless they get caught and sent to prison. The prohibition laws do more damage than the drugs themselves.

It's good to see more former drug warriors changing their minds about the issue. We need people who have no interest in getting high on our side if we want the laws changed.
 

sprinkl

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Poor DEA guys, their war on drugs world they have known and loved is collapsing. Soon they'll be jobless and smoking crack in a ghetto!
 

Ga farmer

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The bill just introduced in Georgia was introduced and was sponsored and co-sponsored by republicans. So to think the democrats have this issue exclusively to themselves is foolish!
 

m314

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The bill just introduced in Georgia was introduced and was sponsored and co-sponsored by republicans. So to think the democrats have this issue exclusively to themselves is foolish!

It's only a matter of time before it's legalized in Georgia too. :) I learned how to grow in Atlanta, and I grew there for 8 years. I moved out here mainly so I could grow without having to worry about the legal risk.
 

Rotten1

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Don't most people here realize that if marijuana were fully legalized, that the big pharmaceutical companies and big tobacco/alcohol companies will control the industry, squeezing out the average growers and stiffening the penalties for us average folks, much like what happens to people who bootleg cigs and alcohol, these big organizations will add countless additives to Mj namely nicotine and other cancerous additives to the final product in an attempt to get users truely addicted to they're products, the average user or grower would reap no benefits to this so called change in thinking, there are always hidden reasons why all these stinkin politicians do what they do, so before everybody gets all excited, ask yourself why these changes are happening? Isn't it probable that our politicians are simply in bed with these large corporations, isn't that the reason that big Pharma is filing patents involving Mj, full legalization is not good, we should only vote for decrimanalization, not legalization, with legalization, only companies like Phillip Morris and Anheiser Busch would reap the financial benefits of these sudden changes in law. Think people, think
 

SeedsOfFreedom

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Don't most people here realize that if marijuana were fully legalized, that the big pharmaceutical companies and big tobacco/alcohol companies will control the industry, squeezing out the average growers and stiffening the penalties for us average folks, much like what happens to people who bootleg cigs and alcohol, these big organizations will add countless additives to Mj namely nicotine and other cancerous additives to the final product in an attempt to get users truely addicted to they're products, the average user or grower would reap no benefits to this so called change in thinking, there are always hidden reasons why all these stinkin politicians do what they do, so before everybody gets all excited, ask yourself why these changes are happening? Isn't it probable that our politicians are simply in bed with these large corporations, isn't that the reason that big Pharma is filing patents involving Mj, full legalization is not good, we should only vote for decrimanalization, not legalization, with legalization, only companies like Phillip Morris and Anheiser Busch would reap the financial benefits of these sudden changes in law. Think people, think

I can brew alcohol in my house and I will never be a criminal for it, I can grow Tobacco in my backyard and still no criminality there either. I can even open a company to sell beer or tobacco if I please. All still legal. Please let me know why Cannabis should be any different after prohibition falls.
I usually try not to start arguments on ICMag, but all the paranoid smokers and growers scared of legalization are one of my biggest annoyances. California failed last time because of your type. Your ideas of legal weed are not close to what will happen. Please rethink your ideas before voting down the next legalization bill. Freedom is freedom, and right now the herb is not free! Herb should be treated somewhere between Alcohol and Tomatoes, anything less and we must keep fighting.
 

Rotten1

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@SeedsofFreedom,California voted it down because they realized that these companies would be growing football fields worth of plants in huge indoor facilities, sure you can grow your own alcohol or tobacco, if you wanted to sell your tobacco or beer it would likely cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to legally set up shop,but it will be just like how walmart squeezes out the old mom and pop shops throughout the country, all of the old school growers who put in decades worth of work will certainly be squeezed out of the industry, and those were the real road warriors of this industry, I love everything about this plant, but I would only vote for full on legalization if it was garaunteed that this big corporations couldn't get they're evil hands on these beautiful plants, if you read up you will see how some of these huge corporations have purchased land in Nor Cal, I wonder what they're intentions are, what are they're motivations, which is why I am against full on legalization and pro decrimanalization, I feel nobody should be sent to jail for Mj not even for a day, I myself have been arrested around 20 times for Mj, give or take a couple times, this is not an exaggeration, I am in Ny
 

RetroGrow

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California voted it down for two reasons: 1. The growing community wanted to keep it illegal so they could continue to profit.
2. And most importantly, the college age voters did not get out and vote. The vote was controlled by senior citizens who have been brainwashed about the evils of the plant.
This will not happen the next time it comes up for vote. It will pass easily.
And the notion that companies will have huge indoor factory grows is absurd. First of all, they could never match the quality that any good grower here can get. And, second of all, if they did have factories or fields of herb, we would be flooding them with broad mites and every other pest we could think of. They are way too late to the game, and we are way ahead of them. The notion that they would be adding nicotine & other harmful substances is laughable. I don't know how you came up with that crap. Not gonna happen. Decriminalization not only of cannabis, but of all drugs, is only a matter of time. They used to throw mentally ill people in prison, until it dawned on them that mental illness is a disease, just as addiction is. There should not be any punishment for any addiction, even heroin or meth. Just treatment. As far as our plant, those morons could never get it right. Everyone will be growing their own, hence the pharmaceutical industries opposition to free, natural medicine.
 

Rotten1

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No doubt that the growers are afraid of losing profits as well they should, when you have big corporations involved the little guy can't compete, I'm sure they can never grow the same quality in a large grow, but that's the thing, they will not allow you to grow it, they will force you to pay a high tax just to grow, plus monitor your power usage, if you sell it on the black market you will be punished more harshly then previously for selling not taxed Mj, just like what happens with un taxed cigs, don't pay your taxes, they will take your homes and vehicles, this is just the beginning, the big corps and politicians are in bed with eachother, why do you think these politicians are all changing they're tunes, it's because they will be Paid, rich always get richer and the poor always get poorer and in the end the pioneers will be screwed, do research and look at these organizations who have already purchased these lands, the politicians will help them protect they're investment so they get they're votes and campaign contributions, in the end it all comes down to the dollars, and the haves and have nots, in the end we lose
 

Rinse

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"Open to softer pot laws ahead of 2016" lol really who gives a fuck?
It is every humans right to do as they choose with their own body and when injustice becomes law rebellion becomes duty.
 

m314

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When it's fully legalized, I think the weed business will look like the beer business today. Big corporations like Anheuzer Busch will control a lot of the market share. At the same time, smaller growers will do well if they have a good product that people enjoy. Just like microbreweries today.

It will become harder for independent growers to make a living with the increased competition. That's just the way it is in a free market. It sucks for small growers, but it will be a huge improvement over the current situation where people have their lives ruined over a plant. No one should ever be sent to prison for weed, not for growing, selling, or personal use.
 

slomocean

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Amazingly, Republicans are taking their heads out of their asses:

"Republicans eyeing the White House in 2016 are pushing their party to change its stance and accept a softening of federal marijuana laws — a dramatic shift from the GOP’s most recent contenders who railed against the drug and questioned its medicinal value.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky has arguably been the most vocal on the subject, saying the federal government should leave the issue entirely to the states. Texas Gov. Rick Perry also argues that marijuana’s legal status should be a state issue, and he points to drug courts in his state that he said have helped move Texas toward decriminalization.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, meanwhile, has vowed to scrap the “failed war on drugs” altogether — more than four decades after President Nixon, a Republican, set it into motion by naming drug abuse as “public enemy No. 1 in the United States.”

“Certainly, the Republican Party has been a lot slower moving on this issue than on the Democratic side, but particularly in the past several months some prominent figures have sort of recalibrated themselves when it comes to the issue of marijuana,” said Erik Altieri, a spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

“This is something that probably would have been unimaginable in 2008: that GOP front-runners for president would be talking in terms of being smart on crime rather than hard on crime.”
In 2012, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney promised to fight “tooth and nail” against marijuana legalization, even for medical use, and the 2008 nominee, Sen. John McCain, said scientific evidence shows that pot is a “gateway drug.”

Mr. McCain, though, signaled an attitude change in September by saying that “maybe we should legalize” marijuana.
The shift has happened in both parties. In a New Yorker interview published this month, President Obama — who has acknowledged using pot in his youth — said marijuana may be less dangerous as a drug than alcohol.

But some are imploring both parties to hold firm.

“Let’s protect our kids and communities. Do we want a massive dumbing down of our young people in our country?” said Calvina Fay, executive director of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs. “There are many solutions to this problem that do not include giving up and legalizing and normalizing drug use.”
Public opinion is headed the other direction, however. Voters in two states — Colorado and Washington — have approved referendums allowing people older than 21 to possess a limited amount of marijuana for personal use, and more than 12 states have decriminalized possession of small amounts. Since 1996, when California became the first state to enact legislation allowing medical marijuana, 20 other states have followed suit.

Sixteen states have decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana, and some are positioned to follow Colorado and Washington by allowing recreational by adults.

In states that permit medical marijuana, it is commonly prescribed for chronic pain, nausea from cancer chemotherapy, glaucoma and some other conditions.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll released this week found that 55 percent of those surveyed would support efforts in their states similar to those in Colorado and Washington.

Under federal law, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I substance, making it illegal for anyone to manufacture or distribute the drug.
But the Obama administration has said it will give states leeway as long as they don’t see evidence that criminal gangs are trafficking the drug or that children are increasingly gaining access.

That makes pot an issue in states that will be important in the 2016 elections, including New Hampshire, which hosts the first-in-the-nation presidential primaries and where dozens of Republicans in the state legislature helped pass a bill legalizing marijuana for recreational use.

Rep. Steve Vaillancourt, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said he is “absolutely ashamed” that Republicans opposed same-sex marriage when it passed in New Hampshire and hopes they will not be on the wrong side of history again on the marijuana issue.

“Republicans have been a little slow to come around, but in a few years, I think, Republicans will overwhelming be supporting this kind of stuff,” he said.

Mr. Paul has said that smoking marijuana is not a good idea and could shave a few points off a person’s IQ.

Still, he said, states should be able to legalize marijuana if they want and it does not make sense to send nonviolent pot smokers to prison.

Mr. Perry told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last week that he opposed legalization but said his job as governor is to pursue policies — such as drug courts — “that can start us on the road towards decriminalization.”

Mr. Christie used his inaugural address this month to say the “war on drugs” was based on the misguided notion “that incarceration is the cure of every ill caused by drug abuse.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...2016-star/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/29/republicans-eyeing-a-presidential-run-in-2016-star/

this will be a big deal for the next presidential election. they are all wanting to let their stance be known ahead of time.
 

armedoldhippy

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I don't want to make a living from weed, I do that at my job. I just don't want to lose my job or freedom over weed. why can't they just leave us the hell alone ? most folks will buy from dispensaries, just as most folks buy their beer at 7-11. aint no reason that Budweiser should get ALL of the money...
 

Space Toker

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Well, I DO WANT to make a living off of weed, WITHOUT having to face the risk of losing my home or even life to armed thugs with or without badges! I don't want Wal-mart and budweiser and other greedy evil fucks getting their hands on it either. But I think there are ways to avoid this if the legislation is written well, and I could never wrap my head around a plant being illegal to grow anyway.

Someone said "the rich keep getting richer" (let's not forget though that the average person made gains in the 60's or 70's and it could happen again). Well that's probably why most Republican supporters of legalization support it. I'd vote for Democratic supporters instead any day if it were an option. Wealth disparity is the heart of the problem, strong measures of some kind must be taken to prevent that, as that is the biggest problem we have in this world, that spawns almost all other problems. More needs to be done to make this country (US) and the world freer with more real (economic) freedom and opportunity for all, and less limits on "the pursuit of happiness". The recent Supreme Court vote was a step backward in that regard, and those bums should be impeached or a law passed so they can be impeached! Laws/incentives should be put in place to help small to mid size businesses and break up mega-corporations into smaller ones. Reward charity and kindness, punish or discourage selfishness, and set limits on how much wealth or power one individual or family or small group can possess. Not easy, but we must find a way, and keep fighting until justice prevails.
 
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Space Toker

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I hope people can make a decent living off a couple acres of weed and not have to pay extortion-like fees like alcohol producers starting out have to. Reasonable taxes and fees and everyone could be happy. Yes we would all love no taxes and fees, but that is not realistic and is well worth the price to not have to go to jail for!
 

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