Illegal to Legitimate?

[Depths Of OG]

That's what I did. Granted, based on what you were saying, I probably did not make as much money as your friend through my illegal activities, as I only grew/sold weed, but I re-invested my earnings into a legitimate company which my wife and I currently run. We have 12 employees, and are doing alright

 

[ArcticBlast]

i guess thats what i'm talking about ...

I dont want to hear any specifics at all, but i guess i'd like to know if anyone else has heard about any success stories! Depths of OG, that sounds awesome

ArcticBlast

 

[avgjoe]

I have heard rumbles that there are some quite involved and detailed threads around here regarding money washing and setting up legit biz. Any1 have some links for other threads on this site or others with good info?

I remember the 5000 plant commerc grow thread had some amazing quality info from full monty and others- so you might wanna search for that one out....

Soooo any1 know of others?


thanks.

 

[Ganico]

PoppinFresh, that still doesn't make any sense.

What I was specifically asking, was about that one comment, it didn't really make any sense and still doesn't. Who's gonna shoot them for not hustling 18 hours straight? If anything, being out running around in the mix and being on the block for 18 hours straight is more likely to get you shot than just chilling at the house

I ain't trying to argue or nothing or make a point, that comment just sounded bogus to me so I commented on it, that's all.

 

[ArcticBlast]

i'm a hustler, i could sell salt to a slug, cuz

I dont know what it is about me, but every thread i start, people start talking about the ghetto, minorities, or guns and hard drugs ... you guys are crazy!

haha

ArcticBlast

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

as far as the original post, thats the way it should be. its like the old school drug dealers back in the day. got their loot and got small shops as fronts (there are alotta barber shops in the hood arent there?), BUT key thing is, they supported the hood they were in, some still do! they are the ones that held the block parties, and summer jams in the parks, helped a family or two here and there, especially the ones that ran for them, gotta take care of fam.

its different now, but not too different. i hear alotta cats takin' lil' dudes under their wing (those who didnt/dotn have fathers) the young ones are lookin out for the younger ones, sorta lieka big brother thing. i hear mre an more about it teh more young cats i meet on my job. ive noticed it, but didnt know it was such a prevelant practice. and ofcourse they all hustle to some degree, low key quiet cats just tryin' to make a lil extra loot ya know, but damned good folks at heart. black and latino.

but props to that man makin right outta wrong, but whats wrong is a matter of perspective these days. IMO as long as you dont get greedy, then your good. i think he should/should have sold off the black market thing to the highest bidder and make a final sale out of it and be done/ but if he keeps his legal and illegal, well your askin for probs then.

*** everlast/ HOUSE OF PAIN (aka WHITEY FORD) said it best, " it aint a crime if you dont get caught, thats how it is homie, like it or not ."

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

hey ganico,

just wanted to clarify what pop was sayin' since it seems that you truly dont get that part. what hes talkin about is that type of drug dealer, that would do something like that. there are cats that will just beat the crap outta for not doin the right thing, or if you KEEP comin up short. then there are the crazy asshole " i dont give a FU*K about you types that really give us all a bad name, since if we as growers get caught , thats who leo instantly tries to equate you to (or a terrorist)

i spent a good couple of years in GA, still got fam down there so i know what you mean, alotta places in the dirty south make NY look like a str8 shit hole. and make no mistake i am from NY born and raised, but god help me if i could i would move right back to GA.

but its all the same anyway,no matter where you go, but some places are worse than others, just like some people are worse than others. so the variation of drug dealers that are here are the same down south

 

[Ganico]

That still doesn't make any sense. Unless you are such punk that you are out here working for the next man, and and you're their do-boy and they are what, I guess gonna shoot you for not hustling 18 hours straight? That is not a hustler, more like a hostage.

What kind of punk ass shit is that? Nobody could even KNOW you were letting someone run you like that down here for long

 

[PoppinFresh]

That still doesn't make any sense. Unless you are such punk that you are out here working for the next man, and and you're their do-boy and they are what, I guess gonna shoot you for not hustling 18 hours straight? That is not a hustler, more like a hostage.

What kind of punk ass shit is that? Nobody could even KNOW you were letting someone run you like that down here for long

think of it from a business point of view. if i'm a salesman for coca cola and you're a salesman for pepsi, we're going to "battle" for dominance in our given territory. if you're hustling harder than, going to meetings after hours, etc etc etc, you're going to beat me. my bosses aren't going to like that. so what happens to someone who isn't producing? they get terminated and replaced.

now it sounds like in your area, there's enough room to play big fish. no one is in any real competition with anyone else. so no one is going to check you for your location. that's fine. it's easy to play a big fish when you have no real threats. but in NYC, this drug game is heavy already. you want to work on a block, you're going to have to ask permission. that is, the real big fish who oversees that neighborhood is going to let you have that. and if you're working for someone else... well it's all coca cola vs pepsi.

so, you hustle and you hustle hard. you move product and you move it fast as possible. you beat the block all day to get your money right. there's no stopping. your boss wants to see progressive profit margins in your territory and either you do it or you don't and if you don't you know what happens - the money starts coming up short. you're either letting someone steal your customers or you're skimming and in any case, you're useless... guess who gets made an example out of.. bang bang bang.. you've been permanently pink slipped!

in your area, it may be easy to play big fish thinkin folks is punks cuz they have to answer to someone else. i'd laugh if ya people came up here wit that attitude as if they're gonna do their own thing and not get checked immediately. put it like this... what if a TRUE nyc hustler came to your neighborhood, told you, you either work for me or you don't work at all. what are you going to do? talk shit, get popped? come back later, get popped? or shut the **** up and live?

it's not a hostage situation. it's simply hustlin how you can! now if you can't understand that, i'm finished. i can't break it down for you any deeper than that. maybe someone else can help LOL.

 

[Ganico]

Nah, a big hustler here might have workers, but that's different than being like "bitch you're gonna sell this dope, or I'm gonna shoot you, see you in 18 hours, have X amount of money" I don't give a **** how you put it, that's some punk shit. Now, if you owe you owe, but that's different than what you're talking about which basically sounds like letting yourself be forced into hustling for someone else.

And here, if you went to "ask permission" to hustle on a block, that'd have worse consequences than just doing it because you asked for permission, that's submission. Submission does not dominate shit here. If you did that than you automatically are saying you are weaker than whoever you were asking permission from, obviously. There'd be no point in asking someone else to hustle on their block, you just do or you don't and play it how it comes to you either way

what if a TRUE nyc hustler came to your neighborhood, told you, you either work for me or you don't work at all. what are you going to do? talk shit, get popped? come back later, get popped? or shut the **** up and live?

Haha, they'd last a "new york minute" if they came down here on some shit like that. I think you vastly underestimate pride in the south though



I don't know, different worlds and cultures is all, I guess. Here it's just a lot more chaotic and disorganized than that. There's not a set consequence for every little action, and a rule for every step, you just play that shit how it comes to you and be ready for whatever whenever. And rules are really just whatever the winner says they are. There's a general street code, but it's nothing like what you're talking about


Crazy how different shit is between here and there.

The streets here are dirty as **** and unpredictable at best, nothing glamorous and I certainly ain't ****ing off in them at this point. I just smoke my weed and try to flip shit legit

 

[PoppinFresh]

I don't know, different worlds and cultures is all, I guess. Here it's just a lot more chaotic and disorganized than that. There's not a set consequence for every little action, and a rule for every step, you just play that shit how it comes to you and be ready for whatever whenever. And rules are really just whatever the winner says they are. There's a general street code, but it's nothing like what you're talking about

that's exactly it. you got it! here it's more organized from dealing with various mafia groups back in the day. people learned and picked up where they left off. like the italian mafia was running NYC back in the day, and, trust me, you'd be scared if Gotti's messenger came knockin on your door in a crisp suit giving you choices and none of them involved you being happy doing your own thing. that's the style they have now. you can be small time, under the radar, but don't let them find out you're cutting into their business.

 

[Sardonic]

meh..happens all the time. crooks have dreams too . Makes sense, stack up some money, start a business..as long as nobody gets hurt .

 

[Guest]

one off are old time gangstas .now turned legit

one off are old time gangstas .now turned legit

SURFER Interview: Makua Rothman
The son of Da Hui founder Eddie Rothman, until this point Makua's life has been lived largely in the shadow of his father. But now, at 19, Makua is emerging by strides.

by
Brad Melekian

No longer in the shadows.

.

Growing up on the North Shore is tough. Growing up the son of a prominent father on the North Shore is tougher, the privilege often clashing with the need to pull away and establish oneself. Life for Makua Rothman changed when he let go of the rope on a giant November day in 2002. During one of the most historic big-wave sessions in history, Makua followed a borrowed, too-slow jet-ski into the biggest wave of the session--a wave that eventually won him $66,000 and acknowledgement in media as far-flung as Miller Lite beer commercials, all recognizing him as riding history's biggest wave. More importantly for Makua, his success that day has brought respect from those surfers that he has been emulating for years. The respect only grew this winter when Makua won the Best Barrel Expression Session at the Rip Curl Pro at Sunset Beach, and received invitations to both the Pipeline Masters Trials and the Quiksilver in memory of Eddie Aikau big wave contest at Waimea Bay.

The son of Da Hui founder Eddie Rothman, until this point Makua's life has been lived largely in the shadow of his father. But now, at 19, Makua is emerging by strides. With skills that have been incubating since birth, Makua is poised to actualize himself as one of surfing's most central watermen for years to come.

One day in December after a harrowing injury--a violent bounce off the bottom at Backdoor that Makua thought momentarily had paralyzed him--he sat down on his father's couch, where, amid phone calls from photographers and surfers checking in on his health, and under the glaring lights of an MTV camera crew, discussed life to this point. And what's still to come.



A lot of knowledgeable people call the day that you got your wave at Peahi the best big wave session in history. You got the best wave of the day and won the Billabong XXL Big Wave Award. What did it mean to be the youngest person out there and get the biggest wave?

It feels just like a regular day to me. Because all that hype is just politics, brah. I don't really like being hyped up by all kinds of people. I just want to be myself and do what I do--surf. Cruise with you guys, go on boat trips, have a good time. But it happened and it feels good, because I got a bunch of exposure and stuff.

How big of a role does big wave riding play in your surfing?

Now, since I caught that big wave, I guess it's going to play a lot because guys are going to be after me. Or after my wave.

Does that inspire you?

Oh, yeah. Cause I always want to catch a bigger one. I just go day by day; if the waves are small I surf, if the waves are big, I'm out there. But yeah, big wave surfing is definitely something I've always been into.

What initially drew you into big wave surfing?

When I was a little kid, I was kind of fat, and I couldn't get enough speed on the smaller waves, so I was over small waves. I always had Sunset, Pipe and V-Land and stuff like that so ever since I was young I just wanted to surf bigger waves.

What was your single most fearful moment in the water?

Probably yesterday. Backdoor. I took off on a nice sized wave. As I was going down my board went to the side and I missed my whole board as I was dropping in. I went to curl up into a little ball just in case I hit the reef, but the lip landed on my shoulders and piledrived my knee straight into the reef, and jammed my hip and smashed it in and knocked all the wind out of me. Both my legs and my right arm went numb, I couldn't swim--only my left arm was working. All the air got knocked out of me, and I couldn't say nothing, I barely got a yell out. Luckily Shane Dorian was right there, and Ian Walsh and a couple of guys were there and they got me into the beach, and put me on Dorian's surfboard and picked me up.


Did you think you were in serious trouble?

Yeah, I thought I was going to drown because only one arm was working and there were sets coming, and I couldn't breathe and I didn't know if anybody'd seen me. So that was probably one of my scariest moments.

Is that fear always in the back of your mind when you surf spots like Peahi, Pipeline, Sunset?




You can't really think of that stuff happening because that's when you hesitate and that's when it happens. Once you start hesitating and not committing all the way that's when you start getting hurt.

Has the thought of dying every crossed your mind?

No. Because I know that when I die it ain't gonna hurt.

You were invited to the Pipe Masters this year, but you've hurt yourself to the point where you can barely walk. Are you still going to surf in the contest?

I'm gonna surf for sure. You can't pass that up. Pipe Trials, that's something you don't miss. Even if you got something hurt like my knee, you still try. That's the thing to do.

What does it mean to you as a surfer and as a person to be recognized with that honor?

I was real stoked. My first year ever invited, first year ever getting to surf it.

Do you feel that people are finally recognizing your ability?

Pipe's a big wave, brah, no matter how you put it. If you can surf Pipe good, you're a pretty good big wave surfer, because it's big and there's no water underneath. I've been surfing Pipe since I can remember, from little kid time, so it's like our backyard, they got to let us in the contest one day. We're getting blown out no problem and they're gonna deny us?

The North Shore is an intense backyard. Have you ever felt in over your head?

One of the scariest moments actually was when I lost a jet ski out at Backyards with Darrick Doerner. It was 30 feet and I towed Darrick into a big close out and when I went in to get him, there was a set coming and he waved his hand and said he was okay. I thought he would get washed in and I would pick him up. But somehow he didn't get washed in, he just kind of stayed in the same spot. I was going over these big whitewaters to get him, and another big set came right after that, and I was like, "F--k, I got to get him already." The ski flipped over on me and I landed on the sled. I pushed it off, and the waves took it and I got to it, I flipped it over and as soon as I flipped it over, a wave hit me and took the ski. By the time I came up it was way inside, and the wave just took it. All of a sudden Darrick popped up right by me, and I told him "Brah, what are we gonna do now?" And he says, "What do you mean, 'What are we gonna do now?' We're gonna swim in." We swam right through the bowl at Sunset and that didn't feel good at all.



How did you learn how to handle yourself in big waves?

Just from experience. My dad always told me never panic. I always had asthma when I was a little kid. When I was young I always had attacks, so I kind of know how it feels to operate with minimum oxygen in your body. I don't know, I just came to it…a bunch of eat-its. Brah, when I was eight years old at Waimea, during the Eddie ceremony I paddled out and it was like 10- to 12-foot. Brah, I got pounded and I didn't come up. I swear I thought I was gonna die. And then all of a sudden I just popped up and everybody was looking for me. I think I was under two waves or something.

What was the most significant change you've made to develop your surfing?


About two years ago I got on a training program and I lost a bunch of weight. I was 189 pounds and that was just beyond…too big for me. I'm like 160 now.

What type of training do you do?

Just a bunch of cardio and more quick reflex things like jumping. To make your fast twitch muscles grow.

Who made it apparent that training was going to help you elevate your surfing?

Kai Garcia, but Kai has a knee injury, so now I'm training on my own. I go to the gym everyday still. But now Rob Garcia, his cousin, is here. He trained seven different world champions. He's Oscar de la Hoya's strength trainer and stuff like that. But now I have this little thing that happened at Backdoor [pointing to knee]. But once it's heeled, I'm right back on the program again.

Who are your biggest influences in surfing?

Eddie Aikau. One of the most proven big-wave riders ever. Eddie, Shane Dorian, Andy Irons, Bruce Irons, Kelly Slater, Sunny Garcia. Pretty much my favorite surfers. All the guys that rip; I just want to surf good too, so I look up to guys that surf good.

What's it been like for you to grow up on the North Shore where you get to see the best surfers in the world every year?

Growing up here, when I was a little kid I always had Johnny Boy [Gomes] around. When he was like, 19 years old, he came and was living with us from when I was about five all the way until I was about 15. He was always around me. Him and Dane [Kealoha] were always here. Those were my two biggest inspirations ever.

But you see a lot of overseas guys come through here too. Are there some that you think are overrated?

I don't really like to talk about people. But, I mean, Dane Reynolds makes $150,000. Where's he? He's not here. And that kid who does all the airs, what do they call him? Gorkin? He's not here either. I mean, they're good at what they do, but they're not here where the waves are.

The North Shore has always been is notorious for aggressive localism. As a local, do you think violence has a place here?

I just see it as, brah, you don't see us going to Australia and acting like kooks. Or you don't see us going to Tahiti and dropping in on those guys and being like, "Oh, sorry, we didn't see you," trying to play dumb, you know what I mean? It's like, brah, this is our spot, this is our waves, we live here year round, flat or what. When we're going, even if we're in front of you or in back of you, we have right of way. It's just respect. You respect someone, they respect you back. It's just like anywhere else in the world. If you don't respect us, you're done, see ya, don't come back.

It seems there's a lot of loyalty between the Hawaiians, no matter what Island they're from. It's just Hawaii. We all stick together. Say we got one from Oahu, one from Kauai, one from Maui, one from the Big Island, and we go somewhere, we're all one guys. Hawaii boys pretty solid. We watch each other's back when we go other places.

You have a reputation as someone who's not going to back down, but who's not going to go out and look for trouble either. Do you think you need to be that way to live here where you do?

Oh yeah, brah. There's always guys around that are gonna try to test you. All those guys are jealous. If they step to the plate, then we're gonna play ball, but I really don't want to go out and look for trouble, cause, brah, you could run into the wrongest f--ker, and he'll just shoot you, bang, see ya. And that'll be the end of Makua. So I just try to keep it low pro, have a good time, do what I do. But if it just comes down to it and it's on, then it's on for sure.


our father told me that he tried to raise you to be your own hero. Do you think he succeeded?

Yeah, he always taught me to be independent because he never knew how long he was gonna be around for me. Him and my mom got divorced, and I ended up living with him. I love my mom and everything, she always tried to be there as much as she could, but Pops just raised me to where if anything was to happen to him I could take care of myself.

Your father has a heavy presence on the North Shore as founder of Da Hui. Did that affect you growing up?




No, I was just born into Da Hui. Ever since I was small, I was just one of the little Hui boys, so I'll be that even when I die. There'll be a big Hui carving on my casket or whatever I go in for sure. But, brah, ask anybody, ask Raimana , ask Ross Clarke Jones, all the Australians, when I go to their place, I have total respect for everybody. I have a good time. I try to be friends with everybody, because that would be better. Life's too short brah, you could be grouchy and grumpy and try to go over there and take over, but you're not gonna have a good time. It's way better to laugh then fight all the time.

What do you think was the most important lesson you learned from your dad?

Just like I was saying my dad always raised me to be a good man. You know how most people tell you respect your elders? My dad always told me whoever shows you respect, show them respect. If they don't respect you, you don't got to respect them.

So are you pretty competitive?

Yeah, if I'm going to enter something, I'm going to win for sure. Even if we're playing for a Christmas tree or something. [Gestures to Christmas tree in living room] That's my Christmas tree, I want it. What's up? Get out of my way, I'm going. But I always try and have fun when I do it.

Do you have any desire to compete on the WCT?

I would really like to make the 'CT one day, but I just don't want to go to Rio de Janeiro and surf some blown out little spot, where these little flick tail guys are just going to rip me. If all the big six stars were at places like Teahupoo or Hossegor, or Mundaka, something like that, some good waves, yeah I would try. But I'm kind of over surfing France one foot or Japan half-a-foot waves. It's just not my trip. But I'm going to try to do a bunch of the big contests in Australia so I can get into the Haleiwa contest. I want to win the Triple Crown.

Would that be another ultimate for you?

If I could win the Triple Crown and the Masters or Sunset, I'd be stoked.

What did it mean when you won the Best Barrel Expression Session at Sunset Beach?

I was so stoked. I went out against all those 'CT guys, and I got the best barrel of them all. So I just showed them that, brah I can get barreled out here just as much as you guys can, for sure. I wanted to go out there and show them that I got what it takes to surf Sunset, so give me a wildcard. I'll show you what's up.

What are your goals for the future?

One day when a little kid goes, "I want to be what he was," I'll be stoked for sure. I'll look down from up there and give him a good one.

 

[ArcticBlast]

That was a good read, but i didnt find anything about him being a gangster other than his extorting drug dealers thing. And that he's been to prison.

Tell us about it
ArcticBlast

 

[Guest]

That was a good read, but i didnt find anything about him being a gangster other than his extorting drug dealers thing. And that he's been to prison.

Tell us about it
ArcticBlast

lol.......WHEN YOU COME ON VACATION HE WILL BE MARCHIN AROUND THE BEACHS lol..ask um your self.....LOL alot got crazy fast eddie storys ....but never convicted........the notorious blacktrunks gang. the hui before they started selling shorts and clothes they where just drug dealers, smugglers, and local boys .supplying the flood of surfers each winter and then sending um home when they forgot that they dont belong here........specialty was jacking drugdealers and pot growers or any one not really from are town and sending um back home ...... jackin since the 70z

basically making sure ....,outsiders stay outsiders and dont forget to go home!!!basically if you were not from around here and trying to set up shop or make moves on your own. these were the cats in the 70z and 80 and early 90z that. you would wake up down the barrel of guns while they make you cutt bag all your own shit, then leave you tied up while they eat your breafast........!!!!! and leave you the message go back to Idaho or where ever you came from

 

[ArcticBlast]

jeez, sounds like a dick

ArcticBlast

 

[Guest]

jeez, sounds like a dick

ArcticBlast

To some and not so much to others.............

da hui



Da Hui started in 1976 when Eddie Rothman and Squiddy along with Perry Dane and other "Braddahs" were tired of the Haoles from the mainland and Australia coming to the Islands taking all the waves and Disrespecting the locals. The first time people ever saw Da Hui or back then they were called "Da Black Shorts" in full enforcement was during a surf contest which was held by Fred hemmings in 1976. Eddie Rothman and his Crew paddled out during the second heat ( a contest of which they were not in)They caught waves and and were surfing as if there was no contest. Fred Hemmings was so angry that he told some local guys to paddle out to stop them. The local boys replyed "**** you Haole you know who they are?" Fred had no idea who these guys were and he because of his ingnorance said "no who are they?" the local boys replyed again and said "Brah, that's Da Hui and nobody messes with them" Now there is a reason why Eddie Rothman and his Crew paddled out that day, and it was not an act of being a badass or getting in the mags, No.The reason was they were tired of all the political bullshit surfing contests had. Alot of mainland and some australian sponsers would hold surf contest and not even once have one Hawaiian in the contest. It was a powerful point they made that day. Thus from then on Da Hui has been respected all over the islands and is in charge of all water safty for surf contest on the North Shore of Oahu and they help and sponser alot of beach and ocean clean ups all over the world... So here's some words of wisdom from a Memeber of Da Hui. " Treat Da Hui them with Respect and let them have there share of waves IN OUR OWN LAND, Either be nice or Get Bus Up" (beat up)...Aloha

 

[Guest]

'Fast Eddie' posts bail after being indicted
An Oahu grand jury yesterday indicted Edward Martin "Fast Eddie" Rothman on charges of kidnapping, first-degree burglary and first-degree extortion in connection with a Nov. 23 incident.

Rothman is free after posting $300,000 bond pending a Jan. 3 preliminary hearing.

According to court documents, Rothman is charged with barging into the North Shore home of Phillip Koontz, demanding the title to a truck owned by Koontz's friend, and assaulting Koontz.

Koontz had told police that Rothman threatened to kill his sister, girlfriend and cousin if he didn't turn over the truck's "pink slip."

Rothman, 50, headed a group called Hui O He'e Nalu or the "Black Trunks."

In the late 1980s, a jury acquitted him of charges that he ran a cocaine distribution ring on the North Shore.

but fast eddie was not the worst ........around but he is the only oldtimer to have turned his money into some thing else postive.........

this was a thread about ....illegal to legit......dont have to like it .....Its just and example as .......eddie is one of the few.....that turned there <suspected>money and turned it legit where i live.....and can see there products everywhere ..even on the mma ring as the sponser fighters and other sporting events!!!!!! to surf wear

 

[ngakpa]

like nobody told Fast Eddie he got a centipede on his peck?

big up yourself,

Ali G

 

[ArcticBlast]

i just thought he was a dick for ripping plants and stuff. but you're absolutely right, this thread is about illegal to legitimate business, and he definatly did it.

ArcticBlast