"If" I were to try to choose a state to grow in to suit me.....

[stoned teacher]

Hey folks:

I like growing, and am paranoid. To be honest I want to grow without too much concern of how plant numbers would look.....I'm not too too connected to where I am now (friends and family are relatively scattered anyway), and am thinking ....thinking.....

Of course a big if...I may never go through it, but I may. My state isn't too too bad on growers, but there's better and I've considered a slight relocation anyway. I don't post this in the legal forum because what I'm looking for is more than legal...Ok on to criteria "if" I were gonna relocate...

If I were to do this, eventually, I'd want to step up to a "medium" sized grow, lets say 4-5k.

1. Legal and security of course: I'm non medical (unless there's doctors/states that are stupid lenient with it) and would want a state that....
A. If I got busted with something like that the consequences wouldn't be too too bad. meaning maybe no to a minimium amount of jail time. I'm not planning on getting busted, but I'd sleep better knowing life may go on if I did.
B. a state that's not focusing on eradication....no programs that give people tax money to snitch on grows, no super active agencies focusing on me...hopefully this would go along with a state that isn't draconian w/ their laws....

2. Cheap land/real estate available, but relatively near civilization....I like some parts of city life, like having things nearby to do when I want to. Also help with a job too, but I also want to be able to afford some privacy, and the security that goes along with it.....

3. Hippy/smoker/cool scene around, and not just for the young 20 something crowd....I'd like to live in a place where the people tend to be more open, hippyish...than I generally find here in this large city....I have some cool friends and family here, but also I notice when I go out, it's just not always my scene/attitude....

4. Not too too cold I don't think I could do Maine winters.


Anybody know anything about the lie in Ohio?

 

[Pseudo]

maine is it, 99 plants is a misdameanor, i think norml has a penalty chart for each state

 

[stoned teacher]

They do, and Ohio doesn't look bad either.....

Maine's cold, and to be honest, if I wanted to visit where I'm at now, it's not that far at all.....

Anyone know if there's a hippy scene in Ohio?

I'm seeing some darn cheap real estate in the eastern part, haven't gotten west yet...Also it looks like there's a consistent future demand for teachers in decent areas and that the teachers pay in ohio is good, adjusted to the cost of living......

Where i'm at, adjusted to the cost of living, being a single teacher can be difficult....it's not terrible but the cost of living is high....I could never afford real land...

 

[Storm Crow]

California- the doctor's at the "el Cheapo" clinics will give you a rec for almost anything- "Back pain", "insomnia", even "stress"! You're a teacher?- you're stressed, no doubt about it! The cheap "pot docs" are mostly medical "whores". (But I love 'em anyway!) Check out the differences in the permissible plant counts- it varies quite a bit from county to county- but that may change soon.

Go on line, find the name of the local newspaper and email them. They will give you a free courtesy copy (or maybe charge a buck or two since times are tighter, now). The local paper can be a goldmine! Jobs, rents, social activities, crime levels, how nasty the cops are, local issues... etc you can find it in the paper! The Chamber of Commerce can be a good info source, too. Rural schools are hurting for good teachers! I'm a Special Ed aide, so I know! You can often find a 2br on an acre or so for about $1,000/mo in Siskiyou county. Laws aren't that great, though. So maybe elsewhere.

Granny

 

[jamaican fro]

if you come to ohio go to yellow springs/akron/athens areas, easy to get used too and all have a generally nice "hippie community"

 

[SvenB]

Yeah Ohio is actually pretty nice for growers, check out southern or south-eastern Ohio, dirt cheap property and alot of cooler people.

 

[Vol Funk]

4,000-5,000 plants?

Meh I'd do it anywhere...it doesn't matter which state because any plants in that amount gonna hit you hard.



I'd try wyoming.

One plant can still get you a felony in ohio.

 

[Tony Danza]

4,000-5,000 plants?

Meh I'd do it anywhere...it doesn't matter which state because any plants in that amount gonna hit you hard.



I'd try wyoming.

One plant can still get you a felony in ohio.

I think he means 4000-5000 watts, still pretty big in my mind.

 

[StankyBudz]

4,000-5,000 plants?

Meh I'd do it anywhere...it doesn't matter which state because any plants in that amount gonna hit you hard.



I'd try wyoming.

One plant can still get you a felony in ohio.

Very very unlikely. I got nabbed with 88 clones in Ohio. They weighed them as Ohio goes by weight. 1 week clones so no root ball to weigh. Came in at 176 grams. $100 fine and no record.

Ohio does not distinguish the number of plants, just weight. 100 grams of cured bud is only a $100 civil fine also. As long as the feds don't come in, Ohio is good.

 

[Thundarr]

alaska

alaska

hey why not alaska? up to 24 plants, an ounce dried.. fairly lenient, and they really arent super hateful towards it here, its fairly accepted, i doubt the cops wanna take your stuff, but if they got to, be under 24 and your good. And with some thinking, you can pull off a great personal stash. Alaska's constitution values privacy in your home. Maine is for wankers, btw..

 

[VirginHarvester]

Very very unlikely. I got nabbed with 88 clones in Ohio. They weighed them as Ohio goes by weight. 1 week clones so no root ball to weigh. Came in at 176 grams. $100 fine and no record.

Ohio does not distinguish the number of plants, just weight. 100 grams of cured bud is only a $100 civil fine also. As long as the feds don't come in, Ohio is good.

I still don't understand why some states are allowed to weigh it before it's dry and include the non smoke-able parts. Is that because they write the laws to convict or just shows how ignorant they are about MJ overall?

 

[BONUS BAG]

stay away from the commonwealth states they have local fbi stations an what the state drops the feds can pick up, and feds destroy lives.its apart of the job thats why weird smart folks take them jobs,there all assholes.

 

[Vol Funk]

Very very unlikely. I got nabbed with 88 clones in Ohio. They weighed them as Ohio goes by weight. 1 week clones so no root ball to weigh. Came in at 176 grams. $100 fine and no record.

Ohio does not distinguish the number of plants, just weight. 100 grams of cured bud is only a $100 civil fine also. As long as the feds don't come in, Ohio is good.

100-200 grams isn't really that alot, it's only 7 ounces.

You can grow a plant bigger than that. The average dry weight per plant are usually like 3-4 ounces. Even so...if you got 2-3 plants in one plot, you're fucked.

Don't be surprise if the polices weigh full grown plant wet...with roots attached.

 

[catman]

I'm in the same boat, but I wouldn't necessarily go so large. I'd only look for somewhere where someone in about 10-15k of college debt could stay a float. I'm leaning on just taking the risk and heading straight to Cali...Far too cold where I live as well!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

The commonwealth of KY allows for 4 growing plants to be a misdemeanor.

 

[stasis]

I printed this elsewhere, but it is TRUE..... And pertinent to the discussion here....


Regarding California. NorCal....

So many people have come out to NorCal thinking that it is easy to set something up. Landlords all know at this point. Good luck arranging a place where one does not have to look over ones' shoulder all the time.

There was a rental I called on, and the Landlord asked me full on if I was planning on growing weed, I said that " I would be doing a medical Grow, in compliance." She said thanks for being honest, but no thanks..... She claimed that since 5 hours ago, when the ad broke, she had received 75 calls, of which 73 were from Out-of-state people who thought it was OK to say, "Yes, I am coming out to grow MJ."

I had goven some thought to Maine, actually, myself. Lotsa Cold weather means less Spider Mites, and cooler grow rooms...

Things are almost out of hand out here.... The Upcoming Summer will indicate a lot. Either enforcement will be nil, because of no funds, or enforcement will be more keen, because of no funds (and asset forfeiture isl ucrative for the Law Enforcement Community).


Not.

This was 2 years ago. Things have only gotten worse, housing-wise...


Now, it is more challenging for locals to find a place, because of all the people mentioned above. Leases have been amended to state "NO GROWING." These days.

The prices of pot are going down, and the pressure from Law Enforcement is increasing. Clubs are being closed down and not replaced.

The political climate is not NEARLY as good as High Times would have you think. It is much more sketchy. One complaint from Neighbors, and it may be all over. Most neighbors who do not grow will complain. If one is a good neighbor, maintains the property, and does not EVER cause trouble, most of the time, these complaints will be noted, but not acted on. There are enough CRAZY scenes where 5 Pit Bulls, numerous abandoned old cars, noise, and lotsa comings-and-goings are noticed. Those people get the bad attention, usually. But there is no guarantee. Regardless of what is commonly enforced, as of now, the law allows ONLY 6 ( YES, SIX ) flowering plants, in one of the Triangle counties....

Then there are the numerous ripoffs and Tweakers....

 

[crankndapot]

damn maine is awesome

 

[funkervogt]

In my many years search for an answer to this question, I've realized its not a state thing so much as a local thing, right down to the neighbors and your own home.

A lax landlord in Indiana is better than a nosey one in Ohio. A barn in rural Wyoming is better than a house in Oakland. Being you is probably less suspicious than being Marc Emery. SeewhaddImean? No law is really going to protect you if drug war-era cops are on the beat. Keeping your shit tight is more important than liberal state law.

 

[dank.frank]

You know...I wonder this from time to time, and often look into bills that are in the current process of becoming law. I PERSONALLY LOVE the way that NC is wording things. They are taking the average amount of weed being grown and distributed by the Federal MJ program as a basis for what is considered "average" medical consumption....I think this averages to be 12lbs per year per each individual. It also uses the guidelines used by the DEA as for how to count "plant numbers" and estimate yield in order to make an arrest. Using this information, they have declared no larger than a 100 sq.ft canopy...this is not a plant number, but rather an indication of yield. So technically a total, including veg area, you could have a 10' x 10' room with a full canopy of plants. If that means 10 in LST or 100's in SOG...a "full canopy" is the rules the DEA uses...so it should be the rules adapted into law by NC. It also goes to say that on can start a dispensary, with no more than 25 patients per...and for each patient a finished product amount to not exceed 24oz at one given time. It also has a caretaker, "producer", MMJ patient, and dispensary distinctions. A "producer" being someone selling clones, seeds, or final product to a dispensary...product including items such as hash, butter, oil, balms etc. However, there is a rather high financial costs here that other states don't have...if I read it all correctly, (and if not, I'm sure some will correct me) there is a $1,000 yearly licensing fee to be a producer...

HOWEVER, I should state that I was rather unclear as to if a producer and a caretaker were in fact one in the same...and I never saw any distinct rules applied to a caretaker, however I did she the wording used in separate occasions apart/outside of the term "producer". Producer did have a set of rules, guidelines, and a full explanation of legal terms... So I am not sure the distinction or separation being made...

Also key to note...a given patient is allowed to have 2 caretakers...and each can grow or maintain a garden...even at separate locations. So essentially, a valid medical patient has access to 2 10'x10' canopies...with each location (if 2 separate locations are desired...this isn't mandatory. Essentially, each caretaker is allowed his/her own 10'x10 canopy) to never exceed more than 24oz of dried product at one given time.

Personally I like the way that one sounds! Except for the high fees involved...

I am sure this will be ratified to some degree and made more clear...however, this is, as I understood it, the law that is currently being proposed in NC....



dank.Frank

 

[Burt]

the NC law sounds great-my jaw would hit the floor to be able to walk into a dispensary or farmers market for clones