Ice-tube cloner from WallyWorld

[Budley Doright]

Just for the record....


The clone had its official measurement today...


just over 9 inches....


about 7 alternating nodes...


shade leaves were removed


after a day....




the clone did not wilt no dome .....no muss no fuss



I dont think there is much question this is not the largest clone that could have been easily supported....


Ill probably check for roots in about 10 days


Sorry no camera.....

 

[Budley Doright]

IMO fantastic results....


The day after I posted about a single cutting I decided to actually take a few more closer to 12 inches... 14-15 with stripped stem....


The reason is the first 9 inch clone didnt wilt....


The 12 inch clones wilted....



One of the ones which has been in for 7 days didnt have long roots but it did have many roots started.....


A very good thing.... very energetic rooting.....



I did in fact use clonex but scraped the stem up about 1.5 or 2 inches....



Most of the rooting took place in these scarified strips.... I used a sharp blade to make 3 linear scrapes....



I said these large clones wilted.... I use a kool aid pitcher 1 gallon and it was cut off at about 7 inches .....


the clones in their individual tubes were stood up in the pitcher with about an inch of water.....



For the first 2 days they were loosely covered by one of those plastic grocery bags which have replaced paper at the grocery store....after 2 days I removed the bag and the plants didnt wilt again.....


7 days I have roots on some of the plants.....



Im going to wait until the weekend to transplant the rest......



This is going to save me weeks every cycle....


So which would you rather have....


A 12 inch clone or a 4 inch clone???



I think Im so delighted Im going to examine the other cuttings.....


Most of the clones excpet one have been working for 7 days....


the original an extra day.....



I admit Im curious.....



Good rooting after only a week is a good thing.....



What I found was about 50% had elongated roots at 7 days.....


Clearly this is a little too early....


10 - 14 days for my environment I think will be about right....



Im just going to put the clones in a slightly wetter environment.....


promix for now..... and they should be fine.....



Happy cloning and christmas to all....

 

[someotherguy]

Good morning BR, and congrats on your little experiment, as you are growing in coco already you might want to try my 9oz solo cups filled with coco rather than a tiny cell, i think you'll find taking larger cuts a bit easier that way.

...it's still the same method, just a sligjtly larger container and a different medium with slightly different wicking properties.

...and btw, your little trick with the baggies is nothing more than temporary humidity domes, something i suggested to you WEEKS ago and that you adamantly refused to even consider at the time.

...in any event, if you keep your cuts about the size of those i posted earlier you shouldn't need any kind if domes, ...i root mine now without and still get nearly 100%.

...anyway, good seeing you man, ...and have a great holiday season.

Peace, SOG

 

[Budley Doright]

Thanks for the inspiration....

I have worked with both coco and vermiculite and I personally find that vermiculite will sustain larger cuttings than coco....


But I wanted to go beyond the size that causes wilting...


thats why I removed my leaves and you didnt...


The reason I used the humidity dome was to press the envelope....


and take clones which are the largest possible....


I suspect I may yet go a little bigger and use the plastic bag for a couple more days....


But I still think some sort of big clone challenge would be fun.....



The clones you show in post 720 are about as large as I tried in the cloner since the cells were too close together.....


With doing a medical grow.... doing large clones is very cool.....


worth the time working with them....

 

[blueberrydrumz]

i had good success with spraying plants with plain water and a couple of drops of dish soap.. that keeps the cut from drying out... also willow water is the way to go.. when cutting straight into willow water for 24hrs.. then into rockwool or whotever

 

[someotherguy]

You're welcome man, and thanks for starting this thread back in the day, if it weren't for this thread and this method i doubt i'd be in as happy a place as i find myself today, lol.

...and i agree completely that rooting larger cuts saves WEEKS of vegging time although i've found that coco works best for me, ...that way as soon as i see roots i.start feeding full strength MaxiBloom and my plants just leap into the air almost immediately, lol.

...i love the experimental mind-set that keeps us trying new things.

Peace, SOG

 

[trichogg]

Tha funny thing is us "creative patients" will make small spaces work when most old Sokol growers only know about going "Bigg."
Creativity comes out of these small cabs and if done right will keep you supplied with tha best herb of your choice.
I found a new place to kick it, good stuff in here.

 

[someotherguy]

Tha funny thing is us "creative patients" will make small spaces work when most old Sokol growers only know about going "Bigg."
Creativity comes out of these small cabs and if done right will keep you supplied with tha best herb of your choice.
I found a new place to kick it, good stuff in here.

Yeah man, you learn a lot growing in small spaces.

Peace, SOG

my clone box.

 

[mtbazz]

...btw, in most cases fungus gnats are little more than a nuisance easily dealt with by using a few sticky tapes but a severe infestation is still simple to deal with using mosquito dunks, just crush one up into powder and then top-dress your plants with maybe a half-teaspoon of the resulting powder and your gnat problem will be no more.



I tried that... they seemed to like the dunks with their morning snacks....

I tried dunks in my soil...that shit turned moldy and I had to scoop it out.

Two treatments with Azamax took care of my fungus gnat problem.

 

[conehead]

What The!

What The!

Same Pictures Same drill & same cloning method as freezer boys post in Propagation on main page. It aint the first time Ive seen these pics. Whats goin on here have we an imposter or is it freezer boy in disguise.

 

[someotherguy]

Same Pictures Same drill & same cloning method as freezer boys post in Propagation on main page. It aint the first time Ive seen these pics. Whats goin on here have we an imposter or is it freezer boy in disguise.

lol, nah, Freeze lets me use the drill sometimes.

...and thanks for the props, i'd return the favor if i could.

Peace, SOG

 

[trichogg]

This cloner is something I need to try. I wonder what makes the vermiculite so good to use on clones. I also heard in the early post that you said you use fine grade vermiculite.

 

[someotherguy]

This cloner is something I need to try. I wonder what makes the vermiculite so good to use on clones. I also heard in the early post that you said you use fine grade vermiculite.

The vermiculite works so well because of it's wicking properties, with the tubes sitting in an inch of water the vermiculite stays moist to the tops of the tubes so the stems make good contact with a moist medium.

...make sure you keep the reservoir at about 80° and don't let it dry out and you should be good to go.

...cloning isn't all that difficult once you get it down but it can be tricky and so there are several methods that will work with varying degrees of complexity.

...sorry, kinda baked, lol, anyway, good luck.

Peace, SOG

 

[Ultra Current]

Funny! I've been using those to transport rooted cuts to other grows. When my EZ Cloner gives me roots, I place each one in the cube thing and bring them to other places.

 

[someotherguy]

Funny! I've been using those to transport rooted cuts to other grows. When my EZ Cloner gives me roots, I place each one in the cube thing and bring them to other places.

It would seem to me then that you should actually learn how to use these things and free yourself from your dependence on technology.

...with the ice-tube-trays there is nothing that can fail, make sure your res stays at about 80° and doesn't dry out and you are almost guaranteed success.

...then you could sell that E-Z cloner to some other noob who hasn't mastered cloning yet.

Peace, SOG

 

[budman8]

While it would seem that these trays would be good for popping seeds, it's my guess they would not, seedlings are somewhat fragile so I think removing them would be too stressful for them.

I have been using this same method with great success for over 6 months, and have popped seeds as well. Have not had any issues with seeds not popping. to whomever the original blade is who came up with this stupid easy cloning method. 90+% success rate every time.

 

[Herborizer]

It would seem to me then that you should actually learn how to use these things and free yourself from your dependence on technology.

...with the ice-tube-trays there is nothing that can fail, make sure your res stays at about 80° and doesn't dry out and you are almost guaranteed success.

...then you could sell that E-Z cloner to some other noob who hasn't mastered cloning yet.

Peace, SOG

I have three Ice-Tube trays. I failed with them. Not because of the trays, but I am 99.9999% sure it was my water. I kept everything at exact temps. I know my situation is somewhat rare, but it happens. I do plan on circling back to trying out the ice-tube trays again. Right now I am using coco in 9oz cups and sometimes I use my home made bubble cloner. I also have a TurboKlone I use one is a while, but I am going to just sell it soon.

I think water quality is sooooo underestimated in the cloning process.

I know a lot of people have amazing results with the ice-tube trays and I highly recommend them. So inexpensive, drop dead simple, and nothing is more compact. I also believe one of the reasons there is so much success is the bath of water surrounding the tray. The RH coming off the bath of water I suspect adds to the success.

 

[J.C.grower]

thanks man!! im currently using a rubber maid box, with an airpump and airstone. but yours looks really easy and cheap, and i have to give it a go. you've made a fine discovery at Walmart.
JC

 

[Budley Doright]

I have three Ice-Tube trays. I failed with them. Not because of the trays, but I am 99.9999% sure it was my water. I kept everything at exact temps. I know my situation is somewhat rare, but it happens. I do plan on circling back to trying out the ice-tube trays again. Right now I am using coco in 9oz cups and sometimes I use my home made bubble cloner. I also have a TurboKlone I use one is a while, but I am going to just sell it soon.

I think water quality is sooooo underestimated in the cloning process.

I know a lot of people have amazing results with the ice-tube trays and I highly recommend them. So inexpensive, drop dead simple, and nothing is more compact. I also believe one of the reasons there is so much success is the bath of water surrounding the tray. The RH coming off the bath of water I suspect adds to the success.

I admit that water quality is not one of the variables Ive looked at...

Its never been something that I think is ultra important....


The reason could be .... my water is quite good.....


however its not that difficult of an experiment for you to prove....


Find a gallon of good water....


Compare it to your water....



My feeling is that water quality and ph for that matter ....


are more important after the cutting roots than while its rooting....

 

[Budley Doright]

I posted some time back that Im currently working with larger clones....


So I ended up cutting and trimming the individual cells from the ice tube tray....


Once the have been put in the individual cell with vermiculite....

Im just using a standard quart jar for the reservoir...


I then use one of the standard plastic grocery bags as a dome for 2 days....





Here is the interesting thing....


some of the clones actually begin to wilt immediately....since Im now using larger cuttings....


But I find that after 2 days.... the dome can be removed and no more wilting has occured....



kinda like the plant has some mechanism in it that actually tells the stem how much water to let in....



After the 2 day period the plant jas readjusted to the new amount of moisture and the dome is no longer needed.....


It kind of makes me wonder about all the advice we have gotten over the years about weaning the clones over some period of time......