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If you remove the blue caps the clones with roots coming out the bottom are ready to plant....
I just use a penny and a new pencil.....
the penny fits the tube perfectly.... push the penny and the clone pushes out at the top...
done carefully and waiting until fully rooted the tube often comes out in tact....
I dont advise pulling the clones out instead push them out from the bottom....
I just use a penny and a new pencil.....
the penny fits the tube perfectly.... push the penny and the clone pushes out at the top...
done carefully and waiting until fully rooted the tube often comes out in tact....
I dont advise pulling the clones out instead push them out from the bottom....
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Smoking Nomad
Member
All I do is clone. 1 1/2" rockwool, Captan 50 inti fungal, Hormex powder. 10 days in box lid removed after 4. Then to a 3" cube w/ light nutrients for 11 days. Then off to budding area. 100% success!......just sayin....
Mizzafishkilla
Member
I saw this post 6-9 months ago, and I have used this method ever since. I tried 50/50 vermiculite/EWC and it didn't work. I think not enough aereation. If I just use vermiculite, Clonex, Dyna-Gro K-L-N per directions, and a few drops of liquid kelp, I have100% or near 100% success every time. Great idea, kudos to to the original poster of this idea.
A lot of you good people seem to be over complicating the cloning process......it doesn't have to be
40 ROOTED CLONES IN DIRT
100% STRIKE RATE
No clonex, no bottom heat, just stable air temps.
40 ROOTED CLONES IN DIRT
100% STRIKE RATE
No clonex, no bottom heat, just stable air temps.
hey guest would your walmart cloner work to
hey guest would your walmart cloner work to
start seeds in. I say on the net, the same concept, using vermiculite in 16 0z plastic party cups, in a bath of 1/3 strengh bloom nute some thing like 5-55-17, to start seeds, so my question is how do transplant them, will the roots hold the vermiculite together if you turn them upside down and slide them out as mold or will they fall apart before I can get them transplanted. please send me a ppm if this method will work with starting seeds, have tried the paper towel method didn't work, have tried the direct soil method didn't work either. just want to know if it will work
hey guest would your walmart cloner work to
start seeds in. I say on the net, the same concept, using vermiculite in 16 0z plastic party cups, in a bath of 1/3 strengh bloom nute some thing like 5-55-17, to start seeds, so my question is how do transplant them, will the roots hold the vermiculite together if you turn them upside down and slide them out as mold or will they fall apart before I can get them transplanted. please send me a ppm if this method will work with starting seeds, have tried the paper towel method didn't work, have tried the direct soil method didn't work either. just want to know if it will work
Hamburglar
Active member
-Bloom nutes will kill the seedlings.
-The roots will hold the vermiculite together.
HOWEVER, I use the samecloning method as highcountry and have had no issues!
-The roots will hold the vermiculite together.
HOWEVER, I use the samecloning method as highcountry and have had no issues!
While it would seem that these trays would be good for popping seeds, it's my guess they would not, seedlings are somewhat fragile so I think removing them would be too stressful for them.
FWIW, when I pop seeds I use 9oz 'beer' cups as I think the 16's retain too much moisture causing seedlings to exhibit signs of over-watering. ...in any event, all I do is fill one of my 9oz 'pots' with soil, water it and then I just use a pencil or a nail to make a hole about a 1/4 inch deep and then drop a seed into that hole and pinch it loosely closed over the seed.
Then I take another 9oz cup, this time a 'clear' one with no holes, and I place it over the top of the freshly seeded cup thereby creating a mini humidity dome.
Once the seedling emerges from the dirt I then remove the 'humidity dome' and allow it to begin to acclimate itself to my environment.
Good luck, SOG
Good cloning fellow growers....
I havent posted much lately but I thought I would check in with something someone may find useful......
Ive recently gone medical....Im expecting my caregivers card this month maybe....
ANyway Im growing fewer plants and doing perpetual....
Since Ive been growing in coco I tried cloning directly into coco.....
The plants wanted to wilt.... that is without a dome....
Since I only use 2 clones per week not much use of firing up a whole tray these days....
So I decided to try a little combo cloning.....
I cut the last row of 3 off the ice tube tray.....
This fits with a bit of trimming in a red beer cup.....
I put cuttings in the outside tubes for exactly 1 week.....
Then I fill my container with coco..... I fill around a half inch piece of pvc pipe....
if the coco is moist the hole will stay open for the clone....
As I remove the pvc pipe I move it around a bit to widen the hole.....
Then I remove the ice tube clone and put it carefully in the hole in the center of the coco....( I push the clone out on a 3/4 " piec of pvc sliced in half the long way)
then I firm up the coco.....
This seems to prevent the wilting my cuttings seemed to experience when transplanting directly to coco.......
I havent posted much lately but I thought I would check in with something someone may find useful......
Ive recently gone medical....Im expecting my caregivers card this month maybe....
ANyway Im growing fewer plants and doing perpetual....
Since Ive been growing in coco I tried cloning directly into coco.....
The plants wanted to wilt.... that is without a dome....
Since I only use 2 clones per week not much use of firing up a whole tray these days....
So I decided to try a little combo cloning.....
I cut the last row of 3 off the ice tube tray.....
This fits with a bit of trimming in a red beer cup.....
I put cuttings in the outside tubes for exactly 1 week.....
Then I fill my container with coco..... I fill around a half inch piece of pvc pipe....
if the coco is moist the hole will stay open for the clone....
As I remove the pvc pipe I move it around a bit to widen the hole.....
Then I remove the ice tube clone and put it carefully in the hole in the center of the coco....( I push the clone out on a 3/4 " piec of pvc sliced in half the long way)
then I firm up the coco.....
This seems to prevent the wilting my cuttings seemed to experience when transplanting directly to coco.......
High BR, hope all is well will you and yours bro and congrats on getting the medical recommendation, now the struggle will be to stay within rediculous limits, lol.
...anyway, as you know I have been a fan of these ice-tube-trays for a couple of years now and I will always return to them if I need lots of clones or if I ever have trouble cloning in the future.
...the thing is though that, like you, I am now growing in coco, coco hempy-buckets to be exact, and so I figured cloning in straight coco would simplify things.
With that end in mind I took cuts from 16 un-needed clones rooted in soil, basically I just chopped them down.
...so, what I did was fill 16 of my 'clear' 9oz solo cups with moist coco and just stuffed a couple in with no rooting hormone at all, then I stuffed a couple dipped in cheap Greenlight rooting powder an the rest I used a homemade rooting 'gel' made from that same cheap rooting powder mixed into about a tsp of honey.
That first run I got a 75% strike rate and all but 1 were from the group with my homemade 'gel' so thats what i'm using now. (btw that was after 14 days)
Anyhow, the second run of just 8 cuts were all dipped in my gel and stuffed into the coco and this time I used a humidity dome for the first day only and this time I had 75% rooted within 10 days I think with the last 2 showing roots by the 12th day so this time I got 100%.
The third run of 8 cuts (my shoe-box bins hold 8x 9oz perfectly) were also dipped in my gel and stuffed them into the coco-filled cups and this time I used a humidity dome for the first 2 days only (be careful to remove the dome in stages to harden them off or the will wilt on you big time).
Anyway, that third run I had 1 showing roots in just 4 days and by day 6 I had 7 of 8 rooted with the last showing roots by day 10, so 100% again!
Thing is that there is a learning curve with coco to with the keys still being temps and moisture level, with coco you have to keep it moist without allowing it to be too wet.
So don't give up my friend, I promise, with your skills, you'll nail it down in no time.
Peace, and be safe, SOG
...anyway, as you know I have been a fan of these ice-tube-trays for a couple of years now and I will always return to them if I need lots of clones or if I ever have trouble cloning in the future.
...the thing is though that, like you, I am now growing in coco, coco hempy-buckets to be exact, and so I figured cloning in straight coco would simplify things.
With that end in mind I took cuts from 16 un-needed clones rooted in soil, basically I just chopped them down.
...so, what I did was fill 16 of my 'clear' 9oz solo cups with moist coco and just stuffed a couple in with no rooting hormone at all, then I stuffed a couple dipped in cheap Greenlight rooting powder an the rest I used a homemade rooting 'gel' made from that same cheap rooting powder mixed into about a tsp of honey.
That first run I got a 75% strike rate and all but 1 were from the group with my homemade 'gel' so thats what i'm using now. (btw that was after 14 days)
Anyhow, the second run of just 8 cuts were all dipped in my gel and stuffed into the coco and this time I used a humidity dome for the first day only and this time I had 75% rooted within 10 days I think with the last 2 showing roots by the 12th day so this time I got 100%.
The third run of 8 cuts (my shoe-box bins hold 8x 9oz perfectly) were also dipped in my gel and stuffed them into the coco-filled cups and this time I used a humidity dome for the first 2 days only (be careful to remove the dome in stages to harden them off or the will wilt on you big time).
Anyway, that third run I had 1 showing roots in just 4 days and by day 6 I had 7 of 8 rooted with the last showing roots by day 10, so 100% again!
Thing is that there is a learning curve with coco to with the keys still being temps and moisture level, with coco you have to keep it moist without allowing it to be too wet.
So don't give up my friend, I promise, with your skills, you'll nail it down in no time.
Peace, and be safe, SOG
In my case I just dont want to deal with a humidity dome......
I want my grow to manage a week at a time on its own......
Im perfectly happy using the ice tube tray for a week.......
I dont need a dome.....
In my case doing without the dome is more important to sticking with only coco......
I did a little experiment in the last 2 weeks that I found interesting...
I was comparing promix...peat based....with botanicare coco....
During the grow I began having troubles with fungus gnats in the coco....
the promix plants were largely untouched....
Interesting but still not the point ....just background...
Anyway I have to have cuttings of these plants.....
So to rescue them I cut them out of the coco dipped the remaining roots and transplanted to promix....
Here comes the related part....
I needed clones from the plant however I was afraid that taking clones from these root damaged plants would effect rooting....
Fungus gnats eat the plants roots...This caused some issues with 2 of the 3 macro nutrients....
nitrogen was clear... bottom yellowing but the plant is able to translocate from the big leaves so some growth was pretty green.....
Most of these plants have reddish stems... but the deficiency cause the stems to turn blood red....and the groth stunted....
I sort of made a bet with myself that these cutting would not root well at all even with the use of clonex....
They did not.... I took 10 cuttings from these phosphorus deficient plants and only one plant rooted... It came from the healthiest of those plants.... I went 12 days where normally I have at least 80% rooting....
Clearly the health of your mother plant can have a big impact on clones rooting.....
Feeding you mother plants a nice dose of flowering ferts might be beneficial for cloning....
It was kind of interesting knowing that the deficiency was caused by a root system which could not adequately provide for the vegitation....
Interestingly no issues with potassium..... I wonder why???
By the way.... no more coco for me....
Coco must come from the devil or something.....
rotflmfao...
I was comparing promix...peat based....with botanicare coco....
During the grow I began having troubles with fungus gnats in the coco....
the promix plants were largely untouched....
Interesting but still not the point ....just background...
Anyway I have to have cuttings of these plants.....
So to rescue them I cut them out of the coco dipped the remaining roots and transplanted to promix....
Here comes the related part....
I needed clones from the plant however I was afraid that taking clones from these root damaged plants would effect rooting....
Fungus gnats eat the plants roots...This caused some issues with 2 of the 3 macro nutrients....
nitrogen was clear... bottom yellowing but the plant is able to translocate from the big leaves so some growth was pretty green.....
Most of these plants have reddish stems... but the deficiency cause the stems to turn blood red....and the groth stunted....
I sort of made a bet with myself that these cutting would not root well at all even with the use of clonex....
They did not.... I took 10 cuttings from these phosphorus deficient plants and only one plant rooted... It came from the healthiest of those plants.... I went 12 days where normally I have at least 80% rooting....
Clearly the health of your mother plant can have a big impact on clones rooting.....
Feeding you mother plants a nice dose of flowering ferts might be beneficial for cloning....
It was kind of interesting knowing that the deficiency was caused by a root system which could not adequately provide for the vegitation....
Interestingly no issues with potassium..... I wonder why???
By the way.... no more coco for me....
Coco must come from the devil or something.....
rotflmfao...
I used these trays for over 2 years with great results and I did consider popping beans in them but decided against it because while I believe they would germinate very well, removing them for potting up would severely stress fragile seedlings.
Heres a picture of some clones i've just removed (i made a ram for pushing clones out from a piece of dowel with a penny screwed to the end, to the right of the Bic pen).
...note the 9oz cups as these are what I use to pop my beans, I now just fill a cup with moist coco, poke a shallow hole with a pencil, drop a seed in, pinch the hole lightly closed over the seed and then I take another 'clear' cup of the same size and tape it on top for a mini humidity dome, ...once the seedling emerges from the coco I remove that 'dome', lol.
...and BR, sorry you had so much trouble with coco as my plants just love the stuff, my clones root with ease and my plants are just exploding, lol.
...btw, in most cases fungus gnats are little more than a nuisance easily dealt with by using a few sticky tapes but a severe infestation is still simple to deal with using mosquito dunks, just crush one up into powder and then top-dress your plants with maybe a half-teaspoon of the resulting powder and your gnat problem will be no more.
...anyway, I thought i'd post up a few pics of my results with coco.
...here are a couple i'm potting up into 2liter hempy-buckets where you can see how big my clones are now.
...here you can see how well rooted this is and on the label you can see 'h & h' so this was dipped in my homemade cloning gel of rooting hormone powder mixed into some honey.
...and a shot of the root-ball.
...here are those 2 all potted up and with the bottles cut down and with perlite in the res, that leaves less than 2liters of media for the roots to colonize. ...and note the dates, 8/8 was the day I took the cut from the mom, 8/31 was that day that I was potting them up so 23 days from cutting.
...now heres a few shots about 6 weeks later and with a clone-sister in a slightly larger pot and a week ahead.
...even the fans are covered in sugar, lol.
Peace, SOG
...btw, in most cases fungus gnats are little more than a nuisance easily dealt with by using a few sticky tapes but a severe infestation is still simple to deal with using mosquito dunks, just crush one up into powder and then top-dress your plants with maybe a half-teaspoon of the resulting powder and your gnat problem will be no more.
I tried that... they seemed to like the dunks with their morning snacks....
Nice to see you post old friend....
thanks for the pics of your new method...
By the way its still a wick cloner...lol....
But i have a serious suggestion for you.... something not done with cloning before.... least ways I cant find a thread....
something like....
Cloning with large cuttings....
or
Mines bigger'n yours.....cloning...
lol whatever....
offer a challenge for the method that reliably can use the largest cuttings...
It would be a valuable thread especially for plant count grows....
Ive been using somewhat larger cuttings myself but nothing like those monsters.....
some of the biggest clones Ive seen came from air layers while still connected to the plant...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88797&highlight=air+layering
see post #5
Yours are bigger....
A thread would fill some holes....
like no dome???? temps???
Im assuming you use above 80 degrees like....
Im going to try using vermiculite for rinsability.....
and not let them get that much roots before tranplant....
My medium is hydroton these days....
Give a thread some thought....
I tried that... they seemed to like the dunks with their morning snacks....
Nice to see you post old friend....
thanks for the pics of your new method...
By the way its still a wick cloner...lol....
But i have a serious suggestion for you.... something not done with cloning before.... least ways I cant find a thread....
something like....
Cloning with large cuttings....
or
Mines bigger'n yours.....cloning...
lol whatever....
offer a challenge for the method that reliably can use the largest cuttings...
It would be a valuable thread especially for plant count grows....
Ive been using somewhat larger cuttings myself but nothing like those monsters.....
some of the biggest clones Ive seen came from air layers while still connected to the plant...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88797&highlight=air+layering
see post #5
Yours are bigger....
A thread would fill some holes....
like no dome???? temps???
Im assuming you use above 80 degrees like....
Im going to try using vermiculite for rinsability.....
and not let them get that much roots before tranplant....
My medium is hydroton these days....
Give a thread some thought....
After doing some thinking about a largest cuttings thread....
and looking at your pics....
by removing all the shade leaves you could likely do quite a bit larger cuttings....
removing the fan leaves should cut down on transpiration and allow for even larger cuttings....
That would be my theory anyways....
Im trying to imagine that.....
lol....
So here is what I did....
I cut one tube from the walmart ice tube maker....
Then I cut a clone 12 inches....
removed 3 inches of growth from the bottom....
removed all fan leaves....
used a single cell from the cloner and set in a glass...
The first test..... does it wilt?????
I have never really tried to see how big this cloner could do....
we aim to find out.....
and looking at your pics....
by removing all the shade leaves you could likely do quite a bit larger cuttings....
removing the fan leaves should cut down on transpiration and allow for even larger cuttings....
That would be my theory anyways....
Im trying to imagine that.....
lol....
So here is what I did....
I cut one tube from the walmart ice tube maker....
Then I cut a clone 12 inches....
removed 3 inches of growth from the bottom....
removed all fan leaves....
used a single cell from the cloner and set in a glass...
The first test..... does it wilt?????
I have never really tried to see how big this cloner could do....
we aim to find out.....
