I Need HELP my plants Dying!!!

[Guest]

well i think my plants dying i got a pic of it but its hard to notice what im talking about because my digi cam is shit... well im using rapid rooters in a waterfarm bucket the ph is usually 5.6-6.0 and the temps are 22c in the res the temps around the room usually stay at 73-81 depending on the time of the day... but everything was going good until yesterday there about 10 days from germ and all the sudden i noticed brown spots and yellowing then curling towards the plant at leaves that are right above the cotyl or what ever there called the very first leaves that are serated are yellowing and browing and curling on me anyone know whats going on i need help i dont want this baby too die....

 

[Brian1975]

Strain of Mj?
Hydroponic or soil?
From seed or clone?
Age of plant in question?
What stage (Veg/Flower; how many days into)?
Medium (Soil, Rockwool, Hydroton etc.)?
Container/Pot size?
Have they been transplanted, if so how long ago?
If soil, composition ratios (peat moss, perilite, vermiculite etc.)?
Water runoff Ph?
Nutrients added?
Ratios of nutrients (N% P% K%)?
Feeding schedule?
When were they last fed/watered?
How are you determining when to feed/water (weight, wilting, etc.)?
TDS/EC/PPM?
Tap/RO/Distilled water?
Ph before and after adding nutrients?
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated?
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage?
Distance to the canopy?
Temps at canopy?
Temps at root zone or reservoir?
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)?
Current air flow (CFM)?
Is there air blowing directly onto plant?
Using CO2?
Relative humidity?
Growing technique (Scrog, Sog, Supercropping etc.)?
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched?
Pests?
Chemicals used to irradicate?
If so,When?
What part of the plant is being predominantly affected?
I put this up more to know your nutrients more than anything else but it is better to have more info, than not enough.

 

[Guest]

Strain of Mj? (super shiva)
Hydroponic or soil? (hydroponic)
From seed or clone? (seed)
Age of plant in question?
What stage (Veg/Flower; how many days into)? (veg 10-11 days)
Medium (Soil, Rockwool, Hydroton etc.)? (rapid rooters, and hydroton)
Container/Pot size? (dont have them in net pots waterfarm bucket only)
Have they been transplanted, if so how long ago?
If soil, composition ratios (peat moss, perilite, vermiculite etc.)?
Water runoff Ph?
Nutrients added? i added (cal-mag,pro-tekt,flora nova grow, and a drop of superthrive, and sometimes liquid karma)
Ratios of nutrients (N% P% K%)? (im going by what it says on the back so not sure im really a noob at this...)
Feeding schedule? (15mins on and hour off someone told me to do)
When were they last fed/watered? (i flushed them because some said and now there drooping)
How are you determining when to feed/water (weight, wilting, etc.)? (i just feed when the rapid rooters look a little dry)
TDS/EC/PPM? (312ppm)
Tap/RO/Distilled water? (ro)
Ph before and after adding nutrients? (after)
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated? (just did it again to make sure.. yes)
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage? (4 23w cfl's 6500k) about a week old
Distance to the canopy? (the bulbs about 3inches away)
Temps at canopy? 72-82
Temps at root zone or reservoir? (23c)
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)? 82-68
Current air flow (CFM)? (not too sure got 1 4.75 computer fan and one oscillating and one stand still one) (then i have an exhaust fan at the top that and 6'' duct fan not too sure of the CFM on them)
Is there air blowing directly onto plant? (yes)
Using CO2? (cheap c02 yeast and sugar)
Relative humidity? (39%)
Growing technique (Scrog, Sog, Supercropping etc.)? (none yet plant on trying scrog)
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched? (nope)
Pests? (i had white spots on my leaves thought it was spider mites sparyed it hella yesterday with neem oil and pro-tekt)
Chemicals used to irradicate?
If so,When?
What part of the plant is being predominantly affected? the first set of leaves that are serated the ones right about the cotyl
I put this up more to know your nutrients more than anything else but it is better to have more info, than not enough.

 

[HappyHemphog]

First, run your dripper 24/7. I give mine 3 half hour breaks over 24 hours.

Second, back your nutes down. That is a very young plant and should probably be getting 50% strength nutes.

You should never have to "water" a waterfarm. You maintain the level of nutes in the bucket using the level tube.

Cheers!

 

[Blackvelvet]

Don't add cal mag to flora nova.

8 ml per gallon Flora Nova grow. Flora Nova is the one bottle solution to nutrients, note this mix is almost identical to Canna Aqua Vega, and GrowGreen's Nute Recipe
n 217
p 54
k 257
Mg 46

Something so small, I might only use 75 ppm nitrogen. 75/217 x 8ml = 2.76 ml per gallon of water flora nova grow. Once plants get a little larger, increase to 100 ppm nitrogen. 100/217 x 8ml = 3.7 ml fn per gal. More mature plants increase to 150 ppm n. You should not need more than this. 150/217 x 8ml = 5.5 ml fn per gal

 

[Guest]

nice thanks for all the help guys some im emptying out my waterfarm buckets any suggestions to what i should do and what i should add heres a list of all the stuff i got from a friend and im pretty new to the whole growing thing im tried as hell of paying 550 an ounce for the good... so i got cal-mag,superthrive,flora nova grow,bloom, i got pro-tekt, liquid karma, hygrozyme, any clues on how much of any of this i should add to my 1 gallon water jugs like the amount of tsp/per gal or how much mL/per gal either way doesnt matter i just need some kind of direction to go in... thanks for the the useful info thou... better than the other fourm i was using rollitup

 

[Blackvelvet]

Don't add cal mag to flora nova.

8 ml per gallon Flora Nova grow. Flora Nova is the one bottle solution to nutrients, note this mix is almost identical to Canna Aqua Vega, and GrowGreen's Nute Recipe
n 217
p 54
k 257
Mg 46

Something so small, I might only use 75 ppm nitrogen. 75/217 x 8ml = 2.76 ml per gallon of water flora nova grow. Once plants get a little larger, increase to 100 ppm nitrogen. 100/217 x 8ml = 3.7 ml fn per gal. More mature plants increase to 150 ppm n. You should not need more than this. 150/217 x 8ml = 5.5 ml fn per gal

There is your answer my friend. Try 1/2 teaspoon flora nova grow per gallon. Don't add any cal mag. Once a little larger, 3/4 teaspoon per gallon. Then when getting mature, go to a heaping teaspoon per gallon.

Oh yeah, shake the flora nova bottles really well before using.

 

[Guest]

so only half a tsp per gal of flora nova and thats all i need to be adding to my waterjugs?

 

[Guest]

i used a half a teaspoon per gal and my ppm meter read 512? i think i need to go get some ppm solution and calibrate it or is that how much its suppose to read i read on the bottle 1/2 tsp should only be 300ppm... im really lost on this one...

 

[Blackvelvet]

Well, its 2.76 ml and 1/2 teaspoon = 2.5 ml so just a little more. As soon as plants recover and get growing, increase to 3/4 teaspoon per gallon. No cal mag. Add the other stuff if you want. Something to prevent rootrot is always wise.

 

[HappyHemphog]

i used a half a teaspoon per gal and my ppm meter read 512? i think i need to go get some ppm solution and calibrate it or is that how much its suppose to read i read on the bottle 1/2 tsp should only be 300ppm... im really lost on this one...

What was the ppm of your water before adding the nutes?

That 300ppm on the bottle is usually taken from 0ppm starting water.

Reverse Osmosis(RO) or Distilled water is usually ~0ppm. Tap water can range from 50ppm up to and above 200ppm. Tap water also has shit loads of chlorine you should remove by allowing a container of tap sit overnight.

 

[Guest]

yeah im using ro water i got a place right down the street that i fill them up at and the ppm is usually 1-8 ppm so i dont know why my meter read 512 ppm when i only added 1/2 tsp to 1 gal... so the other gal i only added 1/4 tsp and combined the two in the res and the ph is 5.8 and the ppm is 334 is that okay or should i dump it and re-do?

 

[HappyHemphog]

As you said yourself, your meter may need calibration.

In either case, you sound like you've got a good starting point. It's easier to start low and move up than it is to come back down after burning your ladies.

 

[Guest]

right on thanks for the help man also is that too much in the res 334 ppm should i add more plain water or is that fine for the stage my plants are in also with my plant it has edges that are yellow and brown an curling only at the tips??? any clues to that? someone on another forum said i should chop them off what do you guys think any help is much appericiated...

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Pests? (i had white spots on my leaves thought it was spider mites sparyed it hella yesterday with neem oil and pro-tekt)
Chemicals used to irradicate?

Neem burn commonly shows as brown spots...

You might wanna rinse off the protekt as well...it's HIGHLY alkaline and can burn them as well...not to mention it doesn't do anything to mites :wink:

 

[Guest]

on the back of the bottle of neem oil it says to use pro-tekt as an emlusifier so i thought that it would be okay for the plant so your telling me that neem oil will burn my plants? i need to keep away the bugs or whatever the white spots are never can be too safe? or can you im really new to the growing game...

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

First off, dont listen to BlackVelvet, he hasnt a clue...a far as ur plant(s)? go, I would give them a dose of fresh water with just a little Hygrozyme & Liquid Karma, and they should recover just fine. Just my .02, mind you!!! Good luck, and what strain are u growin??????

- Z

 

[MTF-Sandman]

on the back of the bottle of neem oil it says to use pro-tekt as an emlusifier so i thought that it would be okay for the plant so your telling me that neem oil will burn my plants? i need to keep away the bugs or whatever the white spots are never can be too safe? or can you im really new to the growing game...

hmmmm...it might help to break the tension of the neem, but I still don't think I'd use it. Did you spray them with straight neem or did you cut it to a certain mix? I've seen many plants that were burned from neem oil...it works to an extent on bugs, but it seems to be equally hard on the plants. Your plants are prime candidates for miticides like Avid or Floramite since they're still so young. You won't need much of either tho, so get the smallest container that you can find.

 

[Guest]

lost as hell

lost as hell

okay so your telling me i should dump what Blackvel told me to do then refill the rez with straight water and only hygrozyme and liquid karma? can someone else throw down some useful info... people wrote me messages saying just chop them??? well i dont know what i should do so your saying that i should dump the nutes?

 

[HappyHemphog]

Yeah, BV has been know to dish bad advice. No one seems to know why.

In any case, I'm an experienced WaterFarmer as shown by my profile and gallery. Read thru my threads for great information on modifications you can make to the WaterFarm to improve it.

Your plant is still young. Boosters and other additives at this point won't do much.

Pest control on a small plant must be done carefully as well. Use very dilute products so you don't burn your baby. Remember, start with lower concentrations and work up in strength.