Hypothetical situation, soldiers smoking (if legal)

[TommytheCat]

I have a question here fellas,

With cannabis becoming closer and closer to legalization, do you think soldiers or police officers would be allowed to smoke cannabis if it were legal?

My cousin is a soldier, we used to smoke a lot together before he enlisted. He still wants to smoke, but obviously he cannot due to his occupation (and legal status of canna).

Do you think soldiers or police officers would be legally allowed to smoke cannabis in their free time if it were legal? I know they are allowed to drink (as it is legal), but do you think canna would still remain in a gray area for them?

For the record.. I have nothing to do with the military or LEO. I was just asking a hypothetical question. I thought about this when I was talking to my cousin earlier today.

 

[sirbudsalot]

Are cops and soldiers allowed to drink?

Once it's legal, it'll have the same status as booze - don't do it on the job, and don't let it interfere with the job. Otherwise enjoy.

 

[TommytheCat]

Are cops and soldiers allowed to drink?

Once it's legal, it'll have the same status as booze - don't do it on the job, and don't let it interfere with the job. Otherwise enjoy.

Hope so bro. I'd hate to see it sit in a gray area. He has some wicked depression and those perscrips that the doc gives him just make things worse.

 

[!!!]

It depends. They won't be breaking any state/fed laws by smoking, but they might be under stricter rules depending on their unit/occupation etc. i.e., they might be drug tested (alcohol included) if they are military pilots.

FYI, supposedly JWH-018 is popular with the military folks.

 

[White-rhino]

Being as the military is basicly an employer, they can forbid their employees from smoking or drinking anything they want. And can test for it and fire you for it. Being employed isn't a right, and while you may have the right to smoke or drink, you can be fired for doing it. You can be fired for any reason, including no reason, you just cannot be fired for a specifically enumerated list of illegal reasons (race, religion, age, etc..., things you can't control basically) although I think they can fire you due to poor health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1]

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You sign a contract to be in the military, and I bet it contains a clause dealing with marijuana. Same for police.

 

[ezimbalistjr]

Are cops and soldiers allowed to drink?

Once it's legal, it'll have the same status as booze - don't do it on the job, and don't let it interfere with the job. Otherwise enjoy.

Hello,

Yes sir - I agree.

 

[Olum]

Don't hold your breath

Don't hold your breath

Being as the military is basicly an employer, they can forbid their employees from smoking or drinking anything they want. And can test for it and fire you for it. Being employed isn't a right, and while you may have the right to smoke or drink, you can be fired for doing it. You can be fired for any reason, including no reason, you just cannot be fired for a specifically enumerated list of illegal reasons (race, religion, age, etc..., things you can't control basically) although I think they can fire you due to poor health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1]

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You sign a contract to be in the military, and I bet it contains a clause dealing with marijuana. Same for police.

Bottom line up front: The U.S. military is decades away from allowing the use of cannabis among service members and any service member caught doing so will find themselves in a world of shit.

The U.S. military DOES NOT fall under the At Will employment laws. In fact, members of the U.S. armed forces are subject to an entirely different set of laws known as the Uniform Code of Military Justice. This prohibits such things as the use of marijuana and prohibits all unauthorized sexual positions (the missionary position is the only authorized position, of course this is not actively enforced). One CANNOT be terminated from the military for just any reason (there are specific proceedings and reasons), likewise one CANNOT leave the military before one's contract is over. Depending on the circumstances, this is known as being Absent Without Leave (AWOL) or having deserted. In fact, the military can recall service members to active duty at any time who left the service before completing a total of 8 years, regardless of the length of their contract. When one joins the U.S. military, many of their rights are stripped from them and Uncle Sam OWNS their ass.

Having said that, the legalization of cannabis will have NO direct effect on its use by U.S. service members as they are subject to a different set of laws under the UCMJ. The UCMJ would have to change in order for U.S. service members to legally smoke marijuana. The UCMJ applies at all times in all situations in all places as well. A service member cannot travel on leave to Amsterdam, smoke it up, then return to duty on his base legally. A service member stationed or living in California would still be penalized under the UCMJ if he pissed hot on a urinalysis and had an MMJ card. The California state police might not arrest him, but the military police would.

The U.S. military is a very slow-changing and traditional organization. Consider that "don't ask don't tell" is only now being seriously challenged in formal proceedings. Women are still not able to hold combat oriented military occupational specialties. Although not enforced, many seemingly harmless crimes still have a maximum penalty of death according to the UCMJ. The U.S. military generally lags behind in cultural evolution by many years or decades from the rest of civilization. IF cannabis is EVER legalized under the UCMJ, it would lag many many years behind a FEDERAL legalization of it across the nation.

As it stands today, service members often turn to harder, more dangerous substances such as cocaine and crack because it leaves the system faster. Many of them are of the worst breed of alcoholics. Alcoholism is practically taught to the young enlisted service members. There are reports (perhaps I will post them here later) from the U.S. Army of studies that proved the harm done from the use of cannabis was minimal or there wasn't empirical evidence to suggest it was harmful. As many may have heard, MILITARY INTELLIGENCE is an oxymoron. Their own studies proved the substance was harmless, but today service members receive a dishonorable discharge for pissing hot -- a black mark against them that negates employment from many reputable, well paying organizations. Not only that, but they punish these service members before throwing them out on their asses with Article 15s that strip them of rank, forfeit their pay for an allotted period of time, and subjects them to extra duty after their normal duty is over. This generally includes difficult, dirty, and possibly even embarrassing tasks of manual labor.

The U.S. military KNOWS that weed is good, and still actively persecutes the harmless toker, and there is no end in sight in the near future.

God bless America.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i had a friend who was booted from the USMC for testing positive for weed and coke.

 

[]A[Boss]

i doubt they would allow it, especially in the military.. makes you too peaceful and calm. I wouldnt want our soldiers/marines smoking bud daily to be honest. They gotta be warriors.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^its funny they unofficially allow amphetamine based drugs to keep the soldiers awake.

but yea if a patrol smoke a bunch of indica they would probably fall asleep and get ambushed...not a good look.

 

[Bill164Approved]

Not when they are working and not when they are on base. Same as alcohol. Whether its a safer alternative or not isnt the issue, Id just rather not have Officer Johnson smoking the likes of Green Crack and SSSDH when he's working. They have a job to do and it cant be done when they are impaired AT ALL.

 

[apartmentblower]

canadian army pays for marijuana for veterans with MMAR card. Shitty Health Canada irradiated weed but at least they do it. my bud in infantry getting carded soon , back from tour, all fucked up, at least he gets his card now but fuck they really did a number on the guy. fuck warrrrr!!!!!


whats funny (sad really) is him and all his buds did alot of drugs like ketamine, coke, research chems, lsd, whatever, but didnt smoke MJ b/c it shows up on tests for too long!!! guys there get fucked up all the time, if you arent an alcoholic you are a crazy drug fiend.