Hypothetical Nightmare

[_Dude]

Sorry, had to do some house cleaning.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.....would'nt be much point growing in the place where the hyperthetical guy lives at..........after obviously showing the cops that he was armed with the means to grow.......if he did grow at his adress that the cops know of then if he did'nt get busted for it the paranoia alone might drive him nuts.......

 

[Greenjag]

Amen to that, and I think I'd want to move state after that just in case they kept an eye open for the next address my name appeared at.

Growing - hard to seperate from it's evil twin, paranoia!

 

[JJScorpio]

Gypsy pretty much summed it up. You'd spend so much time wondering about every vehicle that went by your house slowly that you'd go insane. Paranoia can destroy ya. I've taken a little time off growing and it took me a while to get used to the feeling of going at bed at night not wondering if tomorow morning might be the day I got raided.

All I can tell you is if this did happen, it's not grounds for a warrant but your personal information WOULD be given the the local drug task force and they would be keeping an eye on you.

 

[igrowdadankest]

If that really did happen then that blows.Cops need to do work not fuck with growers that are not dangerous.They wont stop any time soon evan if it does become legal.Dont grow there or in the state.Leave find a nice med state and get your life going there.IN PEACE.

 

[_Dude]

Thanks for the replies, even if they weren't exactly what I asked for.

All I can tell you is if this did happen, it's not grounds for a warrant but your personal information WOULD be given the the local drug task force and they would be keeping an eye on you.

Yeah, I'm thinking that LE could use this info to do a FLIR, then a knock and talk, then a LEO's "word" on "smell" (there is none), then...well, you know...

So, Mr. Hypothetical's fun is hypothetically over.

The whole "smell" thing trips me out, by the way. They typically hinge on one LEO's testimony. WTF? Courts should at least require a minimum number of LEOs, say 3, to testify for it to count in court. Otherwise it's just too easy for an ambitious, amoral LEO to fabricate evidence. It's a lot harder to get 3 LEOs to lie than for one to tell a "white" lie (the thinking being, "I KNOW that dude's growing so my white lie is just a technicality") on his own initiative.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

move move move.
dont give a forwarding address.

"So, Mr. Hypothetical's fun is hypothetically over."

that sounds about right. apartment growers are infamouse for once-a-year moving.. some even move after a crop or two. every 6 months, etc.
a run-in with Johney-Law moveing is the best. although drug taskforces are overwhelmed, its better to be a live chiken then a dead duck.
unless u own then u might have a time of it.

 

[igrowdadankest]

move move move.
dont give a forwarding address.

"So, Mr. Hypothetical's fun is hypothetically over."

that sounds about right. apartment growers are infamouse for once-a-year moving.. some even move after a crop or two. every 6 months, etc.
a run-in with Johney-Law moveing is the best. although drug taskforces are overwhelmed, its better to be a live chiken then a dead duck.
unless u own then u might have a time of it.

Live chicken then dead duck.ROFLMFAO
Yeah man get outta there.I would persannaly move to oregon or sometihng like that.

 

[EasyBakeIndica]

Your location was comprimised. The bottom line: Find a new location.

Any chance the authorities get to come to that residence, from now on, will be taken as an opportunity to search for a grow op. Many states have setup state-wide taskforces which keep full-time analysts hired in order to keep track of all the random intelligence which passes through law enforcement. What they got from you was not enough to pin you, but I won't be surprised if they come for a "knock & talk" sometime soon to follow it up. Therefore, you can't even smoke safely at that address. Don't think about growing.

Go get a PO box. Then, go get a new driver's license with that PO box listed as your address. This may help you from being so easily bent over, next time. PO boxes are cheap.

Also, put your equipment in the trunk, and either rebox or wrap it up so that no one can see what you're putting in/taking out.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

Set up all the equipment, and grow some veggies. When the Popo does their knock and talk, show them your veggies. Then they may leave you alone. I also think that after maybe 6 months, nobody comes around, you may be OK. They may wait a month or two for you to get something going, then try to bust you.

Just ideas. But paranoia is a bitch.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

...yeah man....grow some strawberries and when the fuzz want to knock and talk.........get them to knock and eat strawberries .....and doughnuts....of course....

 

[Bluelaw]

Legally you are not in any trouble right now. But if the fuzz knows you like grow lights ect. then I'd beware. They know your address and if you're in the SE? Forget about it. Your number is up, and you better cool it for a long time or move.

 

[la resistance]

Set up all the equipment, and grow some veggies.

exactly what I was going to suggest. get rid of everything illegal and move asap, preferably out of state. if you own a house currently then maybe stay in an apartment or rental for a few months before buying another.

 

[Undrgrnd Armory]

Say you're driving home with 4 grow lights, a couple of Dayton blowers, some pumps, and a box full of miscellaneous electrical devices, and you're pulled over. The cops make a bunch of pointed remarks about the penalties for growing, the uses of HID lights, make you state your address to make a point that they know where you live, etc., write you a ticket, and go on their way.

You have no grow ongoing, just two mothers, and some clones rooting. You toss the clones and make preparations to send a cutting into safekeeping before tossing the moms out too.

What would you do? Anybody have some legal precedents to share? The standard paranoid rants aren't very helpful - hypothetical guy need concrete info:

How long should one expect the cops to keep any investigation open, assuming one gets opened (no doubt that the hypothetical driver is now in police files, which are no doubt passed on to the feds)?

What are the probable cause and/or warrant implications? (Hypothetical guy lives in a southeastern, Law and Order state and isn't confident in any of the high-flying legal antics typical of states like CA or NY working in his neck of the woods)

Please, hard info - similar personal experiences, or legal precedent - no speculation.

First thing I would say is that there is nothing to stop you from refusing to give your address.

If you give it, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Second, once the cops have you on the radar, you never know when they might decide its worthwhile to investigate you.

 

[JJScorpio]

Sadly, one thing you have to do if asked by a police officer, is give your name. And this always accompanies a document that also includes your address. If you refuse your name you can be held until the police determine your true identity.