Hygrozyme Info

[wickedpete66]

Hey guys this is a pretty long thread with a lot of opinions. I grow in hempy buckets using chunky perlite on the bottom and a 70/30 coco/perlite mix. I dont have a problem with root rot or anything, but am always looking for good products.

What enzyme product would work well in my application. Canazyme or Hygrozyme

Also wanted to add my normal nutes are gh micro/floro at the 6/9 ratio

 

[superultramega]

maybe I missed it but can you guys list your bene colonizing procedure?

 

[Cat Jockey]

it's getting off topic

I don't think so. I am advocating against using hygrozyme, especially for newbies and I have listed several reasons a few links as to my reasoning. You, apparently, have a bit of an ego, crowned yourself some kind of fucking expert that has discoverd that hygro exacerbates the slime, when know one else knew that.

I figured that out the first time I used it. So have other growers. All without reading your posts. Imagine that.

So, you are taking my critique of the use of hygro personally. The reason you think it is a pissing contest is because I wasn't impressed with the whole, 'you are a newb to the site, let me welcome you to it, you need to read my stellar reasearch, etc.

The kicker was the whole "somebody needs to say it'

Spare me and don't cry when you get back a little bit of what you gave out in attitude and arrogance.

Hopefully they'll hear my advice, look at my grow thread and see the results for themselves.

I am not tryinng to be a dick, but I am not going to lie and you threw it out there as a 'See, this is why you should use hygro and why you should listen to me'.

The not lying part. Your grow is good. That is it. But there are identifable issues on your plants due to various stress. Please, do not think I am being a dick. You threw it out there in the 'see this proves hygro is the shit and works'. Your picture proves no such thing. I am giving my honest opinion and not attacking you personally. Fell free to get offended if you want.

I can point to a 1,000 pictures on growing forums that show less stressed plants than yours.

The only potential downside is if they IGNORE my advice and well

You are an arrogant one.

Shame you can't just appreciate my work

After seeing a picture of your grow, I am not impressed with either your work or your grow. There's that arrogance thing again, eh dude?

Get over yourself buddy. I ain't fuckin' impressed. Judging by that one picture, you still have learning to do and optimizing of your growing environment to achieve before you talk like you are some type of MJ pioneer bro.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Like I said, post yours so we can see how spectacular and superior your grows are, otherwise you're just a low post troll with a lot of opinions and not much else to offer anyone. I've seen a lot of posters like you come and go. Either back it up or STFU. You're not a pussy are ya? No, you're not a pussy. YOU'RE JUST NOT A GROWER! See below.

I can point to a 1,000 pictures on growing forums that show less stressed plants than yours.

And not one of those plants would be YOUR plants, right Junior?

Amazing how a thread about the use of a supplement and my advice on how to use it turns into some sort of personal attack on me and my successful garden.

maybe I missed it but can you guys list your bene colonizing procedure?

I'll let Cat Jockey, chime in and help you out since he's such the expert among us lowly newbs.

Don't hold your breath. Some people can't bring themselves to do anything helpful for others. It's much more enjoyable to try to tear others down instead.


EDIT:
Oh wait, I guess Cat Jockey forgot that people can read your previous posts! Check this out:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2769853&postcount=11

zoom32 - I don't know much, but I have read something about bubbling your water in a separate reservoir for a period to get sediment drop out and a ppm reduction. May be something to look into.

LOL. That's from 2 months ago. Yeah some expert grower you are. Even that advice was WRONG! Bubbling tap water removes chlorine. Fucking poser haters hijacking threads make me sick. Slink on back over to grasscity where you belong.

 

[Scrogerman]

LOL he never used the bene's then hahaha lmfao'
IGT This Cat Jockey is gonna make my sides split if he keeps it up, please stop now dude i cant take anymore bullshit!
Peace........Scrog'
PS-Just think Cat if you would of applied Bene's you would NOT have got slimed!!lool
Just thought i'd add the fact i have never been slimed lol

 

[WeedIsGod]

Damn, that shit is just fuct up. I'm having second thoughts about IC's forums after this. We're just trying to help a brother out here guys. It seems like both parties know what they are talking about, however, can't swallow their pride and just agree to disagree.

IGT: Has a hot res which pathogens thrive in. Instead of buying one time cost items like an aquarium chiller, air pumps and air stones for proper temps and oxygenation he said it's cheaper for me now to buy additives to achieve success.

Cat Jockey: Has a cool res with proper oxygenation so as to create a harsh environment for pathogens to even set foot in which keeps everything nice and clean w/o the use of additives at all.

Now, if you, IGT, would take the time to read through the links Cat Jockey posted for me you'd see his views coincide much more with Lucas' than yours. Can you discredit that man?

And, if you have not already, both of you should go to Lucas' "Against Bio Buckets" thread (https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=513) where, in the first post, he astutely asks who could possibly know the affects of IGT's methods vs Cat Jockey's until some one does a side by side of these two methods in the exact same conditions, yadda yadda, and we see scientifically if thriving beneficial bacteria located on the root zone of a plant produce larger, higher yeilding, more potent, etc. plants than the previously considered optimum conditions. Is 68 degrees the optimum res temp, period, or has that temperature just been found to optimize plant growth while diminishing pathogen counts?


All that said, I did not cancel my order of Hygrozyme, SM-90 and Nutriboost 1. I cannot currently supply my plants with what I believe to be optimum growing conditions (no offense, IGT, but Lucas seems to know a LOT about growing). I have seen the slime first hand already and desperately do not want to deal with that shit. Insurance is insurance. I'd rather have the bottle of SM-90 now so I can grow now and if SM-90 lays waste to tons of pathogens which will most likely be in my reservoir-of-unoptimized-potential, I'd like to have an enzyme to break that shit down. That also being said, SM-90 and Hygrozyme are merely insurance...

Idk, call me crazy, but put both your methods together on one time line and that's where I'd like to be (currently moving through IGT's past who I believe should currently be moving through Cat Jockey's). Thanks for the conversation guys. Very informative.

 

[dr-dank]

I started using hygro @ 2 m/g just about the time all my then ocean forest based, and now coco based plants turned around. I use it almost every watering/feed.

I sometimes wonder if I am simply being superticous (sp), as I was ramping up in a new place and was also working out various other heat/ventilation/environmental issues, along with a bad case of tinkeritous that led to overwatering.

I really dount you could harm a grow with it; your wallet maybe. I have heard that extreem OD can lead to N tox due to all the food made avaialble....

If I do not spend the $50 my wife will. I plan to keep using it. I was tempted to try pond enzymes as they are a small fraction of the cost, but ended up using it on the tomatoes outside and sticking w/what works for me.

Regards

 

[therootsofwisdo]

I agree with Cat Jockey. I think a lot of these products aren't worth the money. That being said I think WeedIsGod summed it up nicely. I have a bottle of hygrozyme. Wanted to try it out didn't see a difference either way. I think the most important thing is dialing in the environment. If you use a solid nutrient formula, correct ppm, ph, RH, temps, good light, you probably don't need much more to get amazing yields. That being said I know that is not always possible and we all make mistakes or equipment brakes etc. It is only a matter of time till we all have a that crap how did x, y, and z happen. Now some like having an insurance that when things go wrong they have a little buffer to keep them on track and I think if $50 makes you feel more comfortable then it is worth it. That is why I got a bottle of hygrozyme. I am in the mist of a new setup and was unsure if I could get ideal res temps. Turned out I couldn't and hope that hygrozyme got me through that period. I will never know if I needed it but I liked the insurance. My grow room is far from idea and still plugging away at dialing it in. I know that to get great yields no bottle is going to work till I get my environment right. Once I do that, get to know my strain, and know what yields I can expect, then I will start seeing if any additives make a difference. All I can say is I have been in the greenhouse industry for a few years now and none of them add more than a solid nutrient mix to there solution. There was one additive that some where adding to seedlings but beyond that nothing. In the propagation house were I worked we added it if the customer wanted it but if not didn't bother and I saw no difference. A lot of the additives on the market make no sense. All I can say is that if a lot of these products produced the increase in yield they claim then every greenhouse would have a tank of it. One thing I can say about hygrozyme is it is used in the industry and that is saying a lot in my opinion. But again only used when there is a problem, and the grower tries to fix the problem if possible.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Im not spending any more time on this thread other than to say that yes, Lucas does know his stuff. I learned quite a lot of my techniques from him and SoQuick originally. Having said that, Lucas doesn't like ANY supplements for hydro, Hygrozyme included. So singling out Hygrozyme is misleading because he feels that way about all supplements, regardless of whats in the bottle. He makes this very clear in his long cannabis-world thread, which is indeed a must read for every grower. His method is to just add the bare basic nutrient profile and that's it (which is why I use Floranova as my base nutes at his recommended 8ml/gal, but with choice supplements).

Cat Jockey is not a grower. I think his post I quoted above proves that. I've seen a lot of "fake" growers on this forum so it's nothing new. Lots of suggestions and opinions but very little practical experience to back it up. Talking a good game and backing it up with results are two very different things. The user Sproutco comes to mind....anybody remember him? Same idea.

If you want to try Hygrozyme, have at it. My suggestion of inoculating with beneficial bacteria first still stands. If you don't want to try it, it's no skin off my back as I don't own any Hygrozyme stock. A lot of growers like what it does, me included. As always in this hobby: YMMV.

(psycho pirate's post below is accurate that slime is not a problem if using chemical nutes only, this is also the basis for Lucas's aversion to supplements.)

 

[psycho pirate]

i use Hygrozyme in soil, and it is absolutely necessary for me when i running a DWC... i always have a problem with high temps and adding Hygrozyme is the only way i can keep the res slime free... Don't like using benes when using DWC though, I don't really think its necessary when using good quality chemical nutes

 

[Scrogerman]

are you saying you dont use bene's and use hygrozyme in a dwc res- to me this is asking to get slimed dude, how do you stop the slime? Believe me i've always used top quality chemical nutes? some of the best available imo', saying that it was my friend who suffered the slime briefly not me. i just know the spores are lurking either in the air or more likely in the water!

 

[two22s]

my buddy at the shop threw me a big bottle for $FREE.99 when i bought some bud candy and a ph kit. he suggested 8ml per gal but i'm wondering if it's for every feed or less regular than the other components?

 

[ShroomDr]

I use up to 8mL/Gal when i transplant into reused coco, and 2-3mL/Gal at what i would classify as a 'maintenance' dose when I add fresh nutrient solution (their adverts state improvement over control @ 2mL/Gal).

The bottle says up to 8-10mL/Gal; i think it starts to foam as you approach 10mL. I run coco containers with a recirculating aerated system.