Hygrozyme Info

[Cat Jockey]

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I plan on using something close to the Lucas formula with Hygrozyme, SM-90 and Nutriboost 1. Does this sound out of control for a newb?

I think 'out of control', 'too complicated', 'too hard', etc., for a newb is not the right way to think about it. Newbs can pull off a successful first grow with a complicated system/nute regime as long as they copy an already succesful one. When it comes to the learning curve, I think it more appropriate to think about it as too easy to make a mistake. And newbs can get into trouble creating a regime that draws upon more than one successful grow, mixing and matching.

Resist that urge.

If the word Lucas comes to mind when you are contemplating your nute regime:

https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892

Read every post by Lucas in that thread. Again, Lucas is not the be all end all with every solution and 100% of the knowledge, but he is very, very educated in growing Sweet Lady Jane. You can learn a lot in that thread and it can give plenty of fodder for thought about plant metabolisim.

Lucas Formula is GH Bloom and GH Micro. ONLY!!!. Nothing else in the res aside pH +/-. Period.

Another thread for a newb to read:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=140565

Look at the title of that thread, what is being discussed, and then see if you can find where additives are talked about as being an essential part of the equation?

An example of many threads to look at:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81674

Rez may not be the be all end all of MJ cultivation, but, when you have a banner on a site like this selling seeds that you breed, you obviously know how to grow weed. Rez, who is not a newb, uses something very close to Lucas. Very simple recipe.

(EDIT Don't think of things like the Lucas Formula, or any other successful, proven regime that use two or three products as a regime with training wheels. They are not. Don't think of growing as a process where with every crop you harvest and the knowledge gained with every crop, you are now ready to add another product to your regime. That in 6 months there will be 5 bottles of shit on your shelf and in 12 months there will be 7 bottles of shit and in 18 months there will be 11 bottles of shit you are now good enough and smart enough to use in your reservoir and cultivation endeavors. It doesn't work that way.

Point being, the short answer to your question is yes. But not in the sense that your next crop you will now be good enough to use the advanced stuff and really boost your yields/quality. Not in the sense that you don't know enough to use the good stuff that really makes weed grow.

Yes in that it is too easy to make a mistake your first time mixing and matching products.

And yes in that I personally believe that stuff to be unecesssary.

My best advice to a newb going hydro for the first time is to do one of two things:

Follow the Lucas Formula. Exactly. Nothing but bloom, micro and pH +/- in your res. Ever. Period. No Hygro, no big daddy elephant dick bud ripener, etc.

or,

Follow somebodies grow who mixes and matches stuff successfully. Exactly. To a tee. No variation.

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Don't want to clutter this thread for those searching for hygrozyme info in the future, so feel free to ask me any question about what I just said via PM ... when I get 50 posts that is.

 

[WeedIsGod]

Cat Jockey, you rock. +1 rep

Thanks dude.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Thanks for the info Guys, i have 60f'in quids worth of this stuff lying about.
Couple of Qs
1. Why does Cannazyme & other zyme products work clean and not cause the algae.??
I went out & got some(Cannazyme) cause i know its clean and i dont need to add anything to it either! I do know there is a lot more enzymes in the hygropoo. I was thinking of using Gardian Angel with the hygrozyme.
2.What Beneficials do you recommend my system is NFT.?
"Its grow time" Ive been lurking around and noticed that you were quite involved in the threads concerning this issue, i know you must have got to the bottom of things and i'd appreciate the anwsers on this stuff, so thanks in advance for any help you give me here bro'!
3.Can you give me a link to the relevent info on hygrozyme & why i need to add beneficials and when etc.?
Hey really - Thanks for chiming in guys-looking forward to your response's!
Peace....Be-Lucky...........scroger'
It is recommended in a sort of way that you can use H2O2 with hygrozyme-that sort of gets the bells ringing.

I know the thread has sorta moved on but Ill add my 2 cents. Ive just started using Great White beneficial powder in my top feed/NFT hybrid system and it's the fuckin truth! Very good stuff tho not cheap. Previously I used AquaShield and had good results there too but the more diversity of benes, the better. Any beneficial product from a reputable company will serve you well. GH Subculture is a good choice too.

I havent used Cannazym but I honestly doubt there's a big difference. They do the same things.

There's not much official info about Hygrozyme and the slime so no links. The Strange Slime sticky in the Infirmary is a good resource though. Ive come to the conclusion that the slime itself is in tap water. Hygrozyme breaks down organic proteins, which immediately feeds the dormant "slime". Add beneficials immediately to fresh res water and once-in-a-while to addbacks. Benes multiply on their own. Once they have a few days to start colonizing then you can add hygrozyme. The goal is for the benes to completely take up all the root zone real estate first so the slime has no where to attach itself and multiply. Once they are colonizing then you can add organics and Hygrozyme. I use mostly chem nutes and that helps too.

Hope this helps. It took me several failed clone batches and slimed young plants to figure out how to avoid the slime while also taking advantage of the Hygrozyme. A little Hygro goes a long way. Oh, and I totally stopped mixing a complete res at once. Instead, add nutes and supplements in a stepped routine. Like add another necessary product every few days instead of all at once.

Btw Cal-Mag is also reported to help the slime along so I add that later.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

Good info.... I think it's really hard to compare apples to apples when we talk hydro because everybody's water is different, unless you use RO water. My water, as an example is 40 ppm out of the tap, and I am on a well. I don't know what those 40 ppm are, but they seem like they must be nothing.

When I grew on a well that was 300 ppm (old house I lived at years ago) I had white crap caked inside the whole house water filter that I changed once a month, I believe it was Calcium, and my bud tasted like crap! Even after a flush.

I called General Hydroponics once and asked was there Boron or Copper in any of their GH Flora Products, and they said not enough to put it on the label, but they assumed some would be in your medium, or in your water. Well, if you are doing DWC, on R.O. water IT"S NOT! Just food for thought, like I said, everyone's water is different.

As for Hygrozyme, I thought the enzymes in the product broke down bacteria into nutrients. I guess slime could eat those nutrients..... but would some of those nutrients already be present, whether you used Hygrozyme, or not?

 

[Cat Jockey]

As for Hygrozyme, I thought the enzymes in the product broke down bacteria into nutrients.

Pretty much my understanding as well. It breaks down organic matter, including dead plant material, into usable nutrients. I came to the conclusion that there are other life forms in a grow room aside from MJ that hygrozyme feeds quite well.

40 ppm on a well? That is pretty clean water. You and I are fortunate being in Colorado in that the dry climate produces less shit to deal with in the growroom.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I called General Hydroponics once and asked was there Boron or Copper in any of their GH Flora Products, and they said not enough to put it on the label, but they assumed some would be in your medium, or in your water. Well, if you are doing DWC, on R.O. water IT"S NOT! Just food for thought, like I said, everyone's water is different.

Micro doesn't have Boron and Copper? I use Floranova Grow and Bloom, which is Lucas formula in a one part with humics. Try that instead maybe.

As for Hygrozyme, I thought the enzymes in the product broke down bacteria into nutrients. I guess slime could eat those nutrients..... but would some of those nutrients already be present, whether you used Hygrozyme, or not?

It will break down dead bacteria. It's not a sterilization agent though, so it won't kill living bacteria or fungi. This is why I add new clones to tap water with beneficials ONLY for the first couple days. Then add only chemical nutes for another few days. IOW, I do not introduce any organic matter (sugars, kelp, etc) into my res water until the benes have plenty of time to colonize. Hygrozyme is not THE reason for the slime. It is a big catalyst for it. You can, and will, get slimed even without Hygrozyme.

 

[Scrogerman]

Thanks for the info 'ItsGrowTime'
Interesting stuff. I'm Gonna go & get some vita-link bio-pac'. As i'm using there range anyway. been on 12/12 for about 9 days or so now. do you think i could encounter any problems adding bene's now. How would you go about introducing the bene's to your system, when & how would you add them.? I just want to know what to add and what not to add to my change out res.
That was an interesting thing you do there itsGrowTime-Why do you now add your supps & adds aftter your main change?
Do you know why they recommend using H2O2 with hygro at my hydro suppliers??
Anyway thanks for the info bro'
Peace..........Scroger!!................

 

[Cat Jockey]

Ive come to the conclusion that the slime itself is in tap water.

I got slimed on Hygro and RO water that comes from a well at almost 10,000'.

It took me several failed clone batches and slimed young plants to figure out how to avoid the slime while also taking advantage of the Hygrozyme.

You are more committed than I. If I introduce a product that introduces problems, it gets the boot, but that is just me. Let me be clear IGT, to each their own and I am not trying to say your method is wrong or silly, but I gotta ask why you persisted in killing several batches of clones with hygro? What are the benefits you think you get from using hygro that was worth that kind of trail and error process?

We all have different priorities, and yours and mine do not need to coincide, but mine are quality and quantity when it comes to making decisions about what I put in my reservoir. After quality and quantity comes ease and low maintenance. Having total reservoir volumes over 300 gallons, like I do, well that is a lot of water and nutes to change out because of getting slimed by an expensive mystery product.

A question. What tangible benefits in the realm of quality and quantity do you think you receive from using hygro? Has it increased your yield or reduced you garden maintenance or garden operating costs? Or has it just killed some of your plants and cost you unnecessary money?

 

[Cat Jockey]

Sounds like you made up your mind Scorgerman, and that is your business, not mine, but I'll throw my unasked for opinion out there anyway.

Chalk the 60 quid as a lose and move on dude. You've got 60 quid into it, now, in order to not become a slime farmer instead of a MJ farmer, you have to spend even more money to use a product that is known to fuck up reservoirs under the right conditions.

How big is your grow? How much of your harvest are you willing to throw out there at risk of loss in order to use 60 quid worth of stuff?

I bet your mate would've rather had an unused bottle bottle of hygro on the shelf, calling it a minor loss, than an empty one and a DWC system full of shit thriving off of the hygro and fucking up your plants.

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Cat,
I already did chalk up the loss. I still wanna get to the bottom of things & if adding beneficials is the anwser then saved myself a few quid on enzyme products. This run im using Cannazym anyway, i know the stuff is and stays clean.
Couldent agree more on all points buddy'
To me 'itsgrowtime' has the anwsers on hygropoo ive been looking for, for now though im a cannazym man ok buddy. All comments appreciated!
Peace Scroger!
No-Body has anwsered my Q about why my hydro suppliers recommend using H2o2 with hygropoo, do you have the anwsers dude?

 

[Standaman]

H202 with any enzyme based product is counter productive.

I've used Hygroslime and it fucked shit up for me big time now i use H & G Multi Enzyme and ain't had no probs whatsoever.

Hydro shops love to big up Hygrozyme cos it costs dough! 100+ quid for 4 litres H&G cost a 1/4 of that

 

[Cat Jockey]

No-Body has anwsered my Q about why my hydro suppliers recommend using H2o2 with hygropoo, do you have the anwsers dude?

From a partially used bottle of hygro I still have:

Compatible with H2O2 in low ppm.

What does the maker of hygro consider to be low ppm?

H2O2 kills things. Which is why mfgs like Botanicare tell you not to use it with their PBP line. It can ruin the nutrient solution. My guess would be that your hydro supplier is either hooked on h202 in general and recommends it to everybody or he knows about the slime hygro can bring about and wants to sell an expensive product, which he may not be able to do if the customer gets slimed after using hygro. Use H2O2, avoid the slime and come buy another bottle from me.

My opinion, as well, is that the majority of hydro store workers have much less real world, hands on working knowledge of the products they sell than a lot of us stoners, so he merely may not know wtf he is talking about. I trust many growers on sites like this much, much more than any hydro store owner/worker.

Hydro stores make money by selling as many products as possible, not by evaluating them in real world settings. They lack the knowledge of many growers on this site.

I am not an organic or bacteria expert and use chem nutes exclusively now, but if you have beneficial bacteria in your res, I would assume that the H2O2 might harm them? So it may not be a good idea

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Thanks for the info 'ItsGrowTime'
Interesting stuff. I'm Gonna go & get some vita-link bio-pac'. As i'm using there range anyway. been on 12/12 for about 9 days or so now. do you think i could encounter any problems adding bene's now. How would you go about introducing the bene's to your system, when & how would you add them.? I just want to know what to add and what not to add to my change out res.
That was an interesting thing you do there itsGrowTime-Why do you now add your supps & adds aftter your main change?
Do you know why they recommend using H2O2 with hygro at my hydro suppliers??
Anyway thanks for the info bro'
Peace..........Scroger!!................

Never a bad idea to add benes. They will only help your plants. Just add it as directed on the label. If powder or liquid, premix into a jug of clean water and dump into res. By adding supplements in a staggered form, you avoid any chemical reactions that may occur from mixing different stuff together at once. Kinda like how you're supposed to mix Flora nutes in a particular order to prevent calcium from turning into a solid and falling out of solution. It just minimizes possible unwanted chemical or organic reactions, including feeding any dormant slime in the water. In reality your plants won't care if you add Cal-Mag 5 days after you mix your base nutes and benes into fresh res water.
No idea about the H2O2. It's a sterilization agent so you can't use it with benes. But if you choose to not use benes then H2O2 will help to kill bad pathogens, while the Hygro breaks down organic matter for use by the roots. In principle your roots would be very clean and white. Benes are a better option IMHO because they actively help the roots absorb more food while protecting the roots, thus meaning bigger plants.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

EDIT: TROLL ALERT! Cat Jockey is not a grower. See my last post on this thread. Ignore his posts. They are nonsense.

I got slimed on Hygro and RO water that comes from a well at almost 10,000'.

I've seen a report or two of RO water getting slimed. Not a common occurance though. There's a bunch of possibilities for that but I think it's safe to say that the slime (cyanobacteria) is a predominantly a tap water phenomenon. Im sure there are free floating spores that could end up in RO water but it's much more likely to be something coming through tap water from the lakes and rivers where most people get their water from.

You are more committed than I. If I introduce a product that introduces problems, it gets the boot, but that is just me. Let me be clear IGT, to each their own and I am not trying to say your method is wrong or silly, but I gotta ask why you persisted in killing several batches of clones with hygro? What are the benefits you think you get from using hygro that was worth that kind of trail and error process?

To each their own. I prefer to understand why things happen. Just part of my personality I guess. Hygrozyme IS a good product. I obviously didn't get very detailed on my experiences with it but it's not like I said "Let me add this and see if it kills my clones" or anything. During my battles with the slime (which has occured with and without Hygrozyme) it became clear that Hygrozyme will send a potential or ongoing slime infection into overdrive if certain precautions and steps are not taken (like adding the benes first). Other than the initial slime problem, it is a very good product. My res water stays VERY clean and that is the work of the product. Actually yes I do think the trial and error was worth it. Due to my persistent slime problems (again, still a problem for me even without Hygro) I had to figure out the proper manner to grow my plants to max potential. Now that I've gotten the whole process down pat I NEVER have to worry about root infections of any sort. Hygro also helps prevent pythium too! Call me a perfectionist...

We all have different priorities, and yours and mine do not need to coincide, but mine are quality and quantity when it comes to making decisions about what I put in my reservoir. After quality and quantity comes ease and low maintenance. Having total reservoir volumes over 300 gallons, like I do, well that is a lot of water and nutes to change out because of getting slimed by an expensive mystery product.

You obviously run a larger setup than I do and of course the cost of something like Hygrozyme is a minor concern. On a larger scale I would consider changing things up as needed. Im sure you'll agree that dialing in YOUR SPACE and YOUR SYSTEM is most important, regardless of size of the grow or your personal nute and supp choices. Again, in my case at least, the slime is a problem with or without Hygrozyme present. If I add any organics to tap water and then add rooted clones there will be a slime issue. Hygro just makes it worse if steps aren't taken to prevent the slime in the first place. I have simply worked to figure out how to prevent the slime while still being able to take advantage of the benefits of Hygro. Make sense?

A question. What tangible benefits in the realm of quality and quantity do you think you receive from using hygro? Has it increased your yield or reduced you garden maintenance or garden operating costs? Or has it just killed some of your plants and cost you unnecessary money?

The only time Hygro has ever "killed" my plants was one time when I added it to a bubble cloner. I was still very much learning at the point (over 2 years ago). For the last time, I get the brown slime even if I do NOT use Hygrozyme. Hygrozyme does not CAUSE the slime. It only accelerates it if the slime is already present! It is already present in my water. I do think it has helped my results, particularly for my grow method of NFT. My res water (50gal) stays extremely clean. Never any sludge or bits present, plus since I use benes in the root zone, the organic matter that's broken down by the Hygro enzymes feeds my benes, which in turn feeds the roots and keep the roots well protected. Let's put it this way....I can and have run up to and over 80 degree res temps without a hint of root rot. For that I can thank the benes and Hygrozyme.

Sure, I would have liked to not have the learning curve and just woke up one day knowing exactly how to prevent the slime while maximizing my results, but it just doesn't work like that. I also think that I would be selling myself (and the ppl that enjoy my work) short by just doing "good enough" instead of striving for understanding and perfection.


ETA: This is now officially long and is a bit off topic and I feel like Im "defending" myself or something but this needs to be said. Cat Jockey, judging by your join date you are new to IC. That's cool, new members are always welcome. But you should keep in mind that the slime problem and how Hygrozyme and other products (carbs, organics) interact with it is still a relatively unexplored topic. Take a look at the Strange Slime sticky in the Infirmary. Myself and other IC members, richyrich in particular, have been sorta "pioneers", working now for years, to figure out how to address (prevent and/or cure) the brown slime algae issue. It is an almost non-existent topic in growing magazines, online mj resources, hydro shops, etc and is usually just confused with root rot and dismissed with the advice to use H2O2 and lower res temps, both of which are ineffective for slime. Most of my experience, that you are questioning me about, was gained BEFORE the brown slime algae was discussed at length anywhere, including here! It's very easy to ask "Why did you do that?" years AFTER the issue has been researched and studied by growers like myself. Instead of questioning me, why not thank me for my contributions on a relatively unexplored issue that has obviously helped a lot of other growers? Up until fairly recently, few even knew that Hygrozyme was an accelerant for the slime, but they know now thanks to people like me, and more importantly they know how to prevent it in the first place.

It's kinda like asking Alfred Nobel today why his first experiments with TNT failed and why he didn't do it perfectly the first time?

 

[MotherNatureMan]

It has been my experience that Hygrozyme seems to open up a plants appetite. I have had nothing but good results.

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey itsGrowTime,
Wow Buddy, thanks for all the info you have handed out, its people like you what convinced me to join IC in the first place. I've followed you, lurking in the background in the slime threads, and you have covered loads and taught me quite a bit on a few issues relating to hygro and other issues so thanks alot dude!
You have give me hope that i didnt waste my dollar on this stuff, all i gotta do is add beneficials, i will take your word for it on this tec, as i know you know the score when it comes to this stuff.
I'm going to study beneficials now so thats also a thanks to you, i think they will benefit any grow. My reason is i stop using h2o2 when i go into bloom cycle, im using Cannazym and about to add the boost accelarator. Shall i stop with these add the bene's wait a few days to let it get colonised first then add the Cannazym & BA'. I wouldent mind getting this right as its looking pretty good atm. Whats your opinion itsgrowtime? or anyone for that matter that has knowledge on adding beneficials into the equasion'!"!
Peace & Respect.........Scroger'

 

[Cat Jockey]

I've seen a report or two of RO water getting slimed.

Well, make that two or three reports instead of one or two then, because I am another.

To each their own. I prefer to understand why things happen. Just part of my personality I guess.

Don't think I am any less inquisitive than you. I just more rationally weigh the benefits against the risks I think. A lot of people, not just commercials or care givers have a lot to lose if a crop goes down. If I had a 4 plant grow and lost them to slime, I would be pissed, poorer and outta weed. I would be without weed/medicine and have to start over and wait another 3-5 months before I could harvest again.

I am not trying to change your mind IGT, I am trying to get newbies that read this exchange between us to think about the potential downside of throwing hygro in their res without a lot of growing experience.

And for them to think about what they think they might gain by using it. According to your last post, it is nothing more than an expensive reservoir cleaner and conditioner that allows higher temps w/o problems.

Yet one more way to keep your res clean and run higher temps w/o problems ... and one of the more expensive ways with a very big potential downside to a new grower just starting out.

The only time Hygro has ever "killed" my plants was one time when I added it to a bubble cloner.

My apologies. Apparently the rest of the world and I have a different idea of what the word several means when you used it here:

It took me several failed clone batches and slimed young plants

'several failed clone batches' is repeatedly killing plants in my book. I was just curious why you were willing to delay your harvest as that is a very real result of several failed batches of clones. The pursuit of science takes priority over the harvesting of the maximum amount of maximum quality ganja for you I suppose. Your prerogative.

More importantly, I wanted to point out to any newbs that issues like this can set your projected harvest time back by weeks and waste a lot of money. You were certainly free to make that choice. I am just making sure da newbs know what choices they are actually making.

but this needs to be said. Cat Jockey, judging by your join date you are new to IC. That's cool, new members are always welcome.

Well, I am ceratinly happy that you have taken that task of saying this upon your own shoulders. You shouldn't make judgements by people's post counts and join dates. I got banned from my first MJ growing site almost a decade ago, son. The good 'ol days when you could find plenty of posts by people talking about how Miracle Gro soil and ferts were the MJ growing shit. Aug 2009 was far, far from my first visit and participation at this or other MJ sites.

Maybe I should be welcoming you to the community instead of the other way around, eh? But thanks for welcoming me to a community I have been a part of for a decade anyway. You meant well.

Take a look at the Strange Slime sticky in the Infirmary. Myself and other IC members, richyrich in particular, have been sorta "pioneers", working now for years, to figure out how to address (prevent and/or cure) the brown slime algae issue. It is an almost non-existent topic in growing magazines, online mj resources, hydro shops, etc and is usually just confused with root rot and dismissed with the advice to use H2O2 and lower res temps, both of which are ineffective for slime. Most of my experience, that you are questioning me about, was gained BEFORE the brown slime algae was discussed at length anywhere, including here!

Well, wadda goin' to do with all of that fame you are self promoting there great guru?

Have you ever considered that the reason for that is because it is not a significant or often occuring issue for those that DON"T use hygro? That if you leave hygro out of your res, your chances of getting slimed are much less? That a lot of us have only been slimed when using hygro? Never before or since?

$50.00 is a lot of money to a lot of people bro and even newbs with a 4 plant grow are counting hugely on a successful harvest and don't have an extra 50 bucks. I am pointing out how a newb could run into trouble and expressing my opinion that hygro is one of the last things neccessary to include in a grow, especially for a newb, to insure both a successful harvest and a maximization of genetic potential. And not only is it one of the last things neccessary to maximize genetic potential it has the potential to take a latent slime colony and feed the shit out of it to where it takes over your res and kills your crop as the worst case scenario.

There are risks involved for what a lot of us would argue are minimal benefits. Plus it is as expensive as shit.

Further, if you were around these boards years ago, like I was, you would notice a change in what newbs think is important for a succesful grow. We live in the day of companies and grow stores pimping additives up the wazoo, many of which are nothing more than a complete waste of money.

But you are free to use it, pursue its benefits, investigate the slime further and post your results ... I'll read them.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Hey itsGrowTime,
Wow Buddy, thanks for all the info you have handed out, its people like you what convinced me to join IC in the first place. I've followed you, lurking in the background in the slime threads, and you have covered loads and taught me quite a bit on a few issues relating to hygro and other issues so thanks alot dude!
You have give me hope that i didnt waste my dollar on this stuff, all i gotta do is add beneficials, i will take your word for it on this tec, as i know you know the score when it comes to this stuff.
I'm going to study beneficials now so thats also a thanks to you, i think they will benefit any grow. My reason is i stop using h2o2 when i go into bloom cycle, im using Cannazym and about to add the boost accelarator. Shall i stop with these add the bene's wait a few days to let it get colonised first then add the Cannazym & BA'. I wouldent mind getting this right as its looking pretty good atm. Whats your opinion itsgrowtime? or anyone for that matter that has knowledge on adding beneficials into the equasion'!"!
Peace & Respect.........Scroger'

Thank you for the vote of confidence scrogerman. It's nice to hear it directly from people that are benefitting from my work, instead of throwing bricks and not offering anything constructive. I put myself out on a limb more than most people by posting my experiences, both successes and failures. If there's one thing I've learned from grower's forums it's that everybody loves to talk about how great their crops are (usually with little to no proof of such) and conveniently forget to mention the inevitable failures and learning experiences along the way. By sharing both I hope to help other growers not have quite as steep a learning curve as it may otherwise be.

I do like Hygrozyme overall, but never be afraid to ditch a product just because you paid good money for it. At least Cat Jockey and I can agree on that. Some products really are useless garbage. But with that comes a lot of subjective opinions too and due to the wide variety of grow methods, room variables, strain differences, etc what may work for someone else may not work for you. All just part of dialing in your grow!

Adding benes at any time (except when using a sterilizing agent like H2O2 or Physan 20) will benefit your plants. There's no question about that. The stepped application method you suggested should work just fine. Just go easy on the zymes and stop adding them back later in flower (I stop adding it around day 35 but ymmv). The zyme taste can lightly creep into the buds.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Ill keep this short since it's getting off topic and turning into a pissing contest for some reason.

I am not trying to change your mind IGT, I am trying to get newbies that read this exchange between us to think about the potential downside of throwing hygro in their res without a lot of growing experience.


And for them to think about what they think they might gain by using it. According to your last post, it is nothing more than an expensive reservoir cleaner and conditioner that allows higher temps w/o problems.

Hopefully they'll hear my advice, look at my grow thread and see the results for themselves.

The only potential downside is if they IGNORE my advice and well, that's their fault. A clean nutrient solution that is impervious to high temps and pathogen infection is pretty important, no?

My apologies. Apparently the rest of the world and I have a different idea of what the word several means when you used it here:

'several failed clone batches' is repeatedly killing plants in my book. I was just curious why you were willing to delay your harvest as that is a very real result of several failed batches of clones. The pursuit of science takes priority over the harvesting of the maximum amount of maximum quality ganja for you I suppose. Your prerogative.

I should have been more clear as not everyone has followed my posts on these topics. My "several" clone failures were through slime infections caused by not-ideal cloning conditions. Hygrozyme makes that worse, but once again it is not the cause of the failures and was only introduced into the first failed batch. You still haven't read the Strange Slime thread yet, right? If you did you would understand better. But that's too much work...just easier to throw bricks, right?

More importantly, I wanted to point out to any newbs that issues like this can set your projected harvest time back by weeks and waste a lot of money. You were certainly free to make that choice. I am just making sure da newbs know what choices they are actually making.

Again, all they have to do is listen to my advice as to how to prevent the slime from being an issue while using Hygrozyme. Pretty simple really. It's also pretty helpful even if you don't use Hygrozyme. I can assure you that brown slime does not need the presence of Hygrozyme to flourish. It just needs organic compounds to feed off of. If you don't like Hygrozyme, then fine don't use it. Why would I give a fuck? It works well for me and this is a HYGROZYME thread.

Well, I am ceratinly happy that you have taken that task of saying this upon your own shoulders. You shouldn't make judgements by people's post counts and join dates. I got banned from my first MJ growing site almost a decade ago, son. The good 'ol days when you could find plenty of posts by people talking about how Miracle Gro soil and ferts were the MJ growing shit. Aug 2009 was far, far from my first visit and participation at this or other MJ sites.

No, really? I would never have guessed. Sharing your great body of work and knowledge with the community like you've done here on IC, I assume?

Well, wadda goin' to do with all of that fame you are self promoting there great guru?

Ahh...the real motivation raises its ugly head. Shame you can't just appreciate my work instead of trying to make a name for yourself by starting shit with a long time contributing member.

Have you ever considered that the reason for that is because it is not a significant or often occuring issue for those that DON"T use hygro? That if you leave hygro out of your res, your chances of getting slimed are much less? That a lot of us have only been slimed when using hygro? Never before or since?

Did you actually read anything I wrote? I made it clear REPEATEDLY that the brown slime algae occurs in my res water WITHOUT the use of Hygrozyme. Dude, do you work for Canna or some other competing enzyme manufacturer? You've got one serious woody for bashing Hygrozyme.

But you are free to use it, pursue its benefits, investigate the slime further and post your results ... I'll read them.

Dont bother. I prefer interacting with growers that share their experiences and lessons learned. Have you ever even used Hygrozyme with the inoculation method I described? No! Yet you have quite the opinion on it. I much prefer experiences. When you put up your grow logs with pics and share with us your wonderous decades of unfailing success then I'll be impressed. Otherwise you just sound like a hater with a lot more opinions to share than anything else.

Thread hijack over...back to the subject at hand please.

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey ItsGrowTime',
Think you said it all, and you dont need to justify shite to me bro' again thanks for all your info, truely inspired me to add bene's to my res. Think you said it all here bro'

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Again, all they have to do is listen to my advice as to how to prevent the slime from being an issue while using Hygrozyme. Pretty simple really. It's also pretty helpful even if you don't use Hygrozyme. I can assure you that brown slime does not need the presence of Hygrozyme to flourish. It just needs organic compounds to feed off of. If you don't like Hygrozyme, then fine don't use it. Why would I give a fuck? It works well for me and this is a HYGROZYME thread.

You gave us the anwsers we were looking for alright bro' just because others aint gave it a go they go shooting you down. Dont let it get to you bro' that a fact!
The fact is if you colonise with beneficials first then you can use Hygrozyme, sounds pretty simple to me bro' Thanks alot!
Have YOU tried this method of colonising the root zone with beneficials before using hygrozyme CatJockey?? You obviously never colonised with bene's before using it did you lol!!

Peace .......Scroger