Hungry girls,or what?

[sahima]

Greetings to you all!! Can you please check this out.
The plants are in all mix(biobizz)soil, are 4-5 weeks old and 2nd day in 12/12. 5l pots. Were transplanted 2 weeks ago when the symptoms started!
Temps are fine(23-25c), air circulation is good. Watering is every 3-5 days when the soil is dry enought. Don't know about p.h.
Last watering i gave them a dose of ferts ( 0.8ml/litre biogrow +1ml/litre biobloom) and yesterday i sprayed with a calmag solution (5ml/litre) just before the light went off.
I am growing veggies and other stuff as well and never had any probs,never had the need to measure p.h, use specific fert formulas .What the fuck, i am using allmix soil which is quite expensive with my canabis plants and can't figure out what i am doing wrong! The enviroment is very nice and controlable.
Hope that the plants are just hungry. Should i give extra ferts next watering? Opinions very appreciated
Here are the photos...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?a...g.com/ic/album.php?albumid=196&pictureid=1086

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[Che]

imho.. Your new growth doesn't look too bad, but it looks like the soil might have been a bit hot for them in the beginning. I would trim off the worst of the burned fanleaves as they're not going to heal.
Do you have anything to check PH and EC? If so, test the runoff. If not, stick to little no/ferts for a while and add as needed.

 

[hanuman]

I agree. If you transplanted 2 wks old seedlings in all-mix (4 weeks old transplanted 2 weeks ago, right?), the mix was simply too rich for them and burned them. I wouldn't add any nutes for a while and they should recover as they gain in size/strength.


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[sahima]

Yes, but the symptoms started just before the transplant, and the plants were already big enought, had 3-5 nodes and some big fan leaves, you wouldn't say there was seedlings, After the transplant to the 5 Litre pots i didn't fed anything and the first 2-3 waterings was only water, with some good run off from the pots. First fert application was 2-3 days ago, with plants that are 4-5 weeks old.
The case is that if you can't transplant in allmix almost 3 weeks old seedlings(?) that entering the vegetative period, then we have to do with very very hot soil. And if you check biobizz schedule... Thank you for the responses!!!
Any biobizz growers out there?

 

[theHIGHlander]

alright bro ..
bio bizz all mix is good stuff, its NOT to hot for young plants ive grown meny a plants from seed with all mix and not had any probs, iff you feed when young then yeh you will burn them as the soil has anuff nutes in it for upto 3/4 weeks so young plants dont need extra nutes

back off the feeding if you repotted 2 weeks ago, the new all mix you repotted with should be anuff for 2/3 weeks.
the ph of the allmix is 6.7 (it should tell you on the bag),
ph test your tap water and try to get within 6.7/6.6 for best results.
when you do start to feed start of at half strenth , then work ya way up,,,,
i only found 1 hassel with the allmix and that was cal/mag probs (thay looked abit like yours but not as bad)

hope that made some sorta sence lol


keep it green
highlander

 

[sahima]

Hi highlander, the thing is that i did what you describe, didn't feed anything for 2 weeks after the transplant. The symptoms started real early, i thought that after the transplant things would be o.k, but no.
And the p.h can it go so wrong, to cause serious disorder, after only 2-3 waterings in the 5 litre pots? I will try to measure my water p.h sometime for sure...
Maybe underfertilised and need some extra nutes next watering?

 

[theHIGHlander]

have a look on the bag for the PH am sure its 6.7 ...iff you dont have your water/ feeds at the same ph it can cause ALOT of probs (6.6/6.8 would be fine it dont need to be bang on)....

if your water/feed ph is alot higher/lower then the plants will get lockout (start to show probs,) = you think she not getting anuff food = you add more nutes= you muck up the PH even more ,,,you end up with a fight on your hands trying to figger out what sup....

some people dont check there PH & say thay never have / dont have to (thats up to them)...
i say its 1 of the most important things. get that sorted and the bio bizz will take care off the rest..

ya plants does look like it got some sorta cal/mag probs could also be lacking N.. this could all stem down to the PH and your soil locking important nutes for the plant...

keep it green bro
highlander

 

[Weedhound]

have a look on the bag for the PH am sure its 6.7 ...iff you dont have your water/ feeds at the same ph it can cause ALOT of probs (6.6/6.8 would be fine it dont need to be bang on)....

if your water/feed ph is alot higher/lower then the plants thay will get lockout (start to show probs,) = you think she not getting anuff food = you add more nutes= you muck up the PH even more ,,,you end up with a fight on your hands trying to figger out what sup....

some people dont check there PH & say thay never have / dont have to (thats up to them)...
i say its 1 of the most important things. get that sorted and the bio bizz will take car off the rest..

ya plants does look like it got some sorta cal/mag probs could also be lacking N.. this could all stem down to the PH and your soil locking important nutes for the plant...

keep it green bro
highlander

I agree with this completely. Not "knowing things" like your ph etc is all fine......right up until you have a problem (like now for instance) and you NOW have to start at the beginning and start information gathering......while your plant is sick and stressed no less and you waste time figuring things out. I love to play prevention rather than defense myself as well and I'm very sure it's not only better for the plant......but time and money saving in the end as well.

 

[hanuman]

Yet the symptoms on the second set of fan leaves really look like nute burns IMO...


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[sahima]

Any thoughts for my sick plants...

Any thoughts for my sick plants...



Hi to you all, just bring this back to get any help, suggestions for what i am doing wrong with this plants. Last waterings was with ph balanced water (500ml water/ 5L pots), and some doses of bio grow and biobloom.
I was thinking that i may had some root damage, but if you look at the photos the root ball seems pretty healthy.Yesteray the plants were transplanted from their old 5l pots to bigger 10L pots..
Maybe overwatered(?) as some plants need full 10 days to dry out, but again no droopiness at most of the plants. Is it that much water if i treat a 5l pot with 500ml of water or now the 10-12 l pot with 750ml-1liter of water. Temps are fine 23-25 C(thermometer out of direct light) and humidity 60 %, so i dont understand why take so long for some plants to dry out.
Any suggestions much appreciated!! Sorry for my bad english...

 

[basstard]

Hi,

I confirm that all-mix is not too hot for seedlings.

For me it's just a nute deficiency because you don't care about pH, in the beginning the soil makes pH buffer but if you water with tap water, it raise and nutrients can't be absorbed well.

The brown spots on the yellow leaves aren't nute burns, that's just fungi which take advantage of their weakness to infect them, nothing alarming.

Another point is that organics nutes are not immediatly available for the assimilation, they must be decomposed. For a "miraculous" result with nitrogen deficiencies I advise you to fert with your pee at 100mL/L.

Anyway, if you don't correct the pH your problems will continue and more.

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[sahima]

Hi basstard,
I have my fingers crossed, i am using bottled water with p.h 7.0, for couple of last waterings and havent seen difference, maybe now with the transplant things will become better.

I am not blaming biobizz, i had great results at the past.But i have seen burned seedlings from it, after flushed, had great recovery.I have find out that you have to start at small pots,and give some generous waterings enought to see some run off from the pot when using all mix from the beggining, or maybe you will need a flush.

 

[Weedhound]

If you transplanted into something larger.....good.....your plant obviously needed a larger container from the photo.

If you ph EVERYTHING that you pour in your pot to 6.5 you will suffer MANY MANY less nute problems than waiting around and letting the soil "do the work for you." Your plant will be healthier and grow better as well. Quality soils and fertilizers these days are in NO WAY DEFECIENT.......as if the maunfacturer just FORGOT to add enough of the N,P, or K needed for todays plants simply is not realistic. 99% of the time it's the fact that the ph is abnormal, causing lockouts, or some other user issue. I WILL say though, that I wouldn't call either Miracle Grow or Schultz fertilizers anything "complete" nor would I ever use them on my plants so i do NOT include them as a quality fert by any means..

.PS....please don't pee on your plants. That's why they invented fertilizer for plants in the first place......to make things better.....not go backwards. That's why i'd rather have a refrigerator than an icebox.

 

[killa-bud]

i find plants don't do well in thoese pots that taper to a smaller base....it may just be coincidence tho,but my plant did much better after a tranplant

 

[Weedhound]

I also just read you are using "bottled water." Unless it's RO and/or distilled and you have added CalMag mostly likely the water you are using is not the best for your plants. If your tap water is out for some reason.....THEN use RO water and CalMag.....things like mineral water etc....are usually not a good idea for plants.

 

[basstard]

.PS....please don't pee on your plants. That's why they invented fertilizer for plants in the first place......to make things better.....not go backwards. That's why i'd rather have a refrigerator than an icebox.

LOL he is using Biobizz fertilzers and do you know what, that's pig pee and shit, transformed but it's still pig droppings...

I think you never ever try this method because all folks I know who tried have been delighted although it is rather atypical. The only advice I have is just TRY only on one plant with nitrogen deficiency, and you will see...

You can also take a look a this thread: Urine as a Fertilizer

Good pee

 

[Weedhound]

Oh I've heard of it before......it's just that, well times have changed and we don't really need to go hunt our food any more or stitch our own clothese from deerskin and all. These companies create products for that very reason.......and I like living in the 21st century. I'm not saying it doesn't work.......just that it isn't really worth all the work and effort when you go buy a decent fertilizer product. You don't even need a bathroom!!!

 

[Weedhound]

PS.....If I ever DO get nitrogen deficiency I will try it......but thhat's exactly my point about today's fertilizers.....none of the quality ones are deficient in ANYTHING. So I don't really get deficiencies which I'm not sure helps my point or hurts it. I THINK it helps.........

Good luck with the grow....pee or otherwise!!

 

[Kinderfeld]

Pots are too small.
Salt is building up.
Runoff PH is off.
Overwatered and overferted, possibly poor drainage.

Solution:
Very small flush then transplant with a little extra perlite.
Stop feeding.
Stop overwatering.
PH'd water only. Find out what you should PH your water too by testing runoff.

 

[basstard]

Ok Weedhound, understand your point of view but I wasn't suggesting to use urine all the cycle, just a one shot because it's radical for nitrogen deficiency. And after you follow a program with complete fertilisers.

I live in the 21st century too but this grandma's tip is free and very efficient... but when you are using mineral fertilisers it's useless because they are available at once.

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