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How to continue a successful strain

teide

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How do the breeders make more auto seeds when original stock is sold out?
They keep seeds from the original stock and self them?
 

teide

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I wonder about the numbers and I wonder how the auto changes character for each release.
 

Cuddles

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yes, I guess seed producers will always have to keep some seeds in order to produce new plants so that these can produce seeds again and so on. Sold out just means the seeds which were available for sale are all sold, that´s all.
Same goes for other plants as far as I know.
 

bibi40

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I guess the serious one just do a seed run from their first auto release , select the better then re-do the breeding thing ( for auto-ing )with the photo clone to ameliorate it , seems the best thing to do in my mind ...

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teide

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this is interesting. Which autos have you been growing and how do they differ?
I haven't noticed much myself, but I have read plenty of comments about how the autos change, and how some eventually get regarded as not worthwhile anymore. I guess these strains are intercrossed generation after generation and bottlecking occurs. A first release is an F3, a seventh release is an F10, you know.
I seem to remember something like this happening to some old mephisto strains.
 
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teide

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I guess the serious one just do a seed run from their first auto release , select the better then re-do the breeding thing ( for auto-ing )with the photo clone to ameliorate it , seems the best thing to do in my mind ...

:tiphat:
That's how I would hope they do it, too. This way 100 seeds from the first batch would last a decade..
 

Nannymouse

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Also, f1's that were used to 'make the strain' could be maintained as back-up stock, if there was a chance of not enough auto's were found in the 'original auto' run. For instance, if only small runs were possible, there may not have been enough autos in that 'first' auto generation, for the genetic diversity that might be needed. By saving those f1's, it would be possible to 'go back to the drawing board'.

If using f1 x f1, only 25% on average, will make autos. If only room for twenty plants, that wouldn't make many autos for a good enough start for many folks, and if there are runts or weaklings, even fewer for a start. Then, who's to say that there will be a female to work with.
 

Cuddles

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Also, f1's that were used to 'make the strain' could be maintained as back-up stock, if there was a chance of not enough auto's were found in the 'original auto' run. For instance, if only small runs were possible, there may not have been enough autos in that 'first' auto generation, for the genetic diversity that might be needed. By saving those f1's, it would be possible to 'go back to the drawing board'.

If using f1 x f1, only 25% on average, will make autos. If only room for twenty plants, that wouldn't make many autos for a good enough start for many folks, and if there are runts or weaklings, even fewer for a start. Then, who's to say that there will be a female to work with.
females and autos - I once bought auto seeds and hoped to make my own seeds, so I don´t have to reorder.. Guess what happened? Almost all plants turned out to be hermies. Lots of seeds but no good to me.
 
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Nannymouse

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females and autos - I once bought auto seeds and hoped to make my own seeds, so I don´t have to reorder.. Guess what happened? Almost all plants turned out to be hermies. Lots of seeds but no good to me.
That could happen with photoperiods, also. I would say, try again with another 'strain'. For some people, autos are great. What i did with the last auto that i was developing, was to grow out the f2's that were photoperiods, to check that they didn't hermie. They were light stressed, also, and never hermied...so i had a good idea that the auto brothers and sisters would also be hermie resistant, at least for light stress.
 

*GROWHIGH*

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you can get regular autos male/female .............that may be a better way to go .....although i have no experience personally with autos
 
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