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How ‘Medical’ Is Marijuana?

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<!-- close story-meta-footer --><!-- close story-meta -->It is becoming easier to get marijuana, legally. In the last 20 years or so, 23 states, as well as the District of Columbia, have passed laws that make it legal to use marijuana for medical treatments. So have some countries, like Austria, Canada, Finland, Germany, Israel and Spain.Advocates believe that this has allowed many with intractable medical problems to receive a safe and effective therapy. Opponents argue that these benefits are overblown, and that advocates ignore the harms of marijuana. Mostly, opponents say that the real objective of medical marijuana is to make it easier for people to obtain it for recreational purposes.
Both sides have a point. Research exists, however, that can help clarify what we do and don’t know about medical marijuana.
A recent systematic review published in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at all randomized controlled trials of cannabis or cannabinoids to treat medical conditions. They found 79 trials involving more than 6,400 participants. A lot of the trials did show some improvements in symptoms, but most of those did not achieve statistical significance. Some did, however.
Medical marijuana was associated with some pretty impressive improvements in complete resolution of nausea and vomiting due to chemotherapy (47 percent of those using it versus 20 percent of controls). It also increased the number of people who had resolution of pain (37 percent up from 31 percent). It was shown to reduce pain ratings by about half a point on a 10-point scale, and to reduce spasticity in multiple sclerosis or paraplegia in a similar manner.
Those aren’t insignificant results and they are supported by other studies that have confirmed that marijuana and cannabinoids can help with refractory pain. But most researchers stress that they should be considered only when other therapies have failed.
There’s a little bit of evidence that marijuana might help with anxiety disorders and with sleep. The trials are at high risk of bias, though, and there are very few of them. The combined trials did not show that it helps with psychosis, glaucoma or depression. Reviews show that trials also failed to support its use for dementia, epilepsy, Tourette’s syndrome or schizophrenia.
There are also side effects of marijuana to consider. They include dizziness, dry mouth, nausea, fatigue, drowsiness, vomiting, disorientation, confusion, loss of balance and hallucination. There’s also the potential for abuse. Those need to be weighed against any benefits. Let’s be frank: There’s just no way that the Food and Drug Administration would approve any other drug with these side effects and the relatively scant evidence, mostly from small studies, of any health benefits.
Or course, arguing that no evidence currently exists is not the same as arguing that no evidence could be found. For too long, the federal government has made studying the use of marijuana nearly impossible. The Drug Enforcement Administration has classified marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug, meaning that it has no medical value and a high potential for abuse. Even if researchers jumped through the many hoops to get research approved, it was almost impossible for them to obtain the drug.
The only place scientists can get marijuana for research in the United States is the University of Mississippi, which has an exclusive contract with the federal government to grow the plant for study. Regardless of how many studies could be done, the university has until recently been allowed to grow only 21 kilograms annually, enough for about 50,000 joints.
Last year the government raised that quota to 650 kilograms. Research became even easier last month when the federal government removed an extra hurdle of approval researchers needed in order to study marijuana’s medicinal purposes.
This means that large trials, like those done by pharmaceutical companies, might be possible in the future. These will take years to complete, though. It’s still likely that for the majority of things that marijuana is prescribed for now, evidence will be unavailable for some time.
Many of the drugs that are approved for chronic pain, such as opioids, don’t have a lot of evidence supporting long-term use. These drugs are also extremely dangerous. Just recently, researchers published a paper that argued that deaths from painkillers are lower in states that have approved medical marijuana.
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Because of that, marijuana’s benefits seem to outweigh the potential harms for people who have intractable nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, or severe and intractable pain from chronic illnesses that won’t respond to other therapies. But people who fall into those categories are not typically the people asking for medical marijuana.
The vast majority of patients who seek a doctor’s authorization for pot do not have cancer, glaucoma or other serious illnesses. In Oregon, “severe pain” is reported as a condition requiring treatment in 93 percent of patients, while fewer than 6 percent had cancer. Most people are getting prescriptions for conditions where cannabis is not clearly effective, and for symptoms that are very subjective and potentially faked.
When Prohibition became the law of the land, one of the only ways to get alcohol was to get a prescription from a physician. In 1921, a coalition of brewers, doctors and the public tried to lobby Congress that beer was a “vital medicine.” The American Medical Association disagreed, using the same arguments they use today to argue that marijuana shouldn’t be handed out as therapy. They said it was not proved to work, that it was not a targeted therapy, that most people who asked for it didn’t meet strict criteria and that doctors should not be in the business of doling it out.
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Promising research continues that might support possible use of marijuana in certain areas. For other afflictions, further research would be needed to justify any prescriptions. Should marijuana become legal, however, it’s likely that many of these debates will just go away, as they did for alcohol.
For more information on this subject, Aaron E. Carroll wrote about a comparison with alcohol in March:
■ Alcohol or Marijuana? A Pediatrician Faces the Questions
<footer class="story-footer story-content"> Aaron E. Carroll is a professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine. He blogs on health research and policy at The Incidental Economist, and you can follow him on Twitter at @aaronecarroll.
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Loc Dog

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Sorry, late drunk, a little stoned.

Try formatting it a little breaking up into sections.

I have seen kids with epilepsy seizures, that stop, and immediately get better with CBD. If people have extreme pain, and can avoid or take less prescription poison, the better.

Your body is for you. It is your choice. Alcohol, prescription drugs, tobacco, are 100's of times worse.

Many idiots against drugs tried it a few times when young and got wasted out of their minds. Regular users don't get that much out of it.

I was pulled over at least a dozen times with car smelling like weed, showed what I had, and was allowed to go on, during 1980's.

People on alcohol are over confident in driving. People on weed are more cautious.

Just my old asses two cents.
 

Loc Dog

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I just want to make that point one more time. Many that think weed is evil, may have smoked a few times younger, and got stoned as shit, and expect every one else is going to be the F-ed up using it.

Tolerance develops quickly. Myself, I take about 8 inhalations off a vape over 6 to 8 hours. It lets me get sound sleep. My drinking is much more harmful.
 

armedoldhippy

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as Loc Dog said, it works great letting me get to sleep in spite of shoulder pain from arthritis. it also relieves the peripheral neuropathy pain in my feet from diabetes. when i had migraines, it helped with those. (thank God THOSE are over!) it relieves stress from work or driving in horrible conditions. it helps me with many things and i give not a single fuck what researchers think. :tiphat:
 

Chevy cHaze

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My problem is, that through decades of anti cannabis propaganda, prohibition and plain misinformation now big pharma's big money is moving the levers along with other powerful lobbies in the US and most of the "first world", I can't even believe shit they say about cannabis anymore. It's like I've found out for myself that they are constantly lying, so therefore, whatever they are against, must be the thing to go FOR really.
First they will be fighting legalisation, even medical use, to protect the status quo (selling pills with cannabis illegal), but In the end, if the people want it and use it, there's money in it, and they intend to get that cash the very moment they're sure they're not breaking any of the absurd cannabis laws in the US.
Even if they conducted larger tests, like the pharmaceutical ones, and found out cannabis is really not that great for your health (as if hehehe), I would not even for a second believe a word they say after having lied to us for decades...
In my opinion, they should be ruled out, they should legally not be able to research or in any other way work with cannabis on results that will influence legislation.
This should only be done by and allowed to companies and even down to individuals with no ties to pharma, tobacco, alcohol and so on. People with no benefits from the results. Not the ones where it must be assumed that they have a prefabricated opinion or are at least very likely to be biased because an outcome in their (whatever that might be) favor would mean a financial benefit. I think it's kicked off, independent researchers or even the state himself could right now, in 2017, easily source the kind of funds needed to go ahead. Israel comes to mind again...then again I don't know enough about the details.
I hope credibility will play a big role in the future and we won't let the big ones fool us all over again like they have for 70+ years.
 

weedape

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A lot of people swear that different preparations of cannabis have different effects and I doubt any of these trials that didn't show efficacy took that into account. I have read where for some people it can take years of experimentation to lock down the right strain for their individual endocannabinoid systems and illnesses. Also, I wonder about any study that was approved by the DEA in the first place as the government has for decades been in the habit of only supplying their notoriously crappy cannabis for studies that are intended to show negative effects. Do you really think all of those who medicate are lying? Come on now.
 

Drewsif

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I dare them to do nausea trials; rols vs hydro.

Cannabis is deadly, it can expose the difference between real food and hydroponic food. Brings up the whole fact that food is medicine, and we are sick because we eat assembly line commercial, watered down, cut, laced processed bone scrapings cartilage and skin pressed into the shape of a happy face, oh and celery-grade warehouse tomatoes, calling it "food", every day of our lives.
 

Douglas.Curtis

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I dare them to do nausea trials; rols vs hydro.

Cannabis is deadly, it can expose the difference between real food and hydroponic food. Brings up the whole fact that food is medicine, and we are sick because we eat assembly line commercial, watered down, cut, laced processed bone scrapings cartilage and skin pressed into the shape of a happy face, oh and celery-grade warehouse tomatoes, calling it "food", every day of our lives.
My hydro is extremely clean, I have yet to come across organics as clean though I have no doubt it exists. This includes multiple medical states and over a decade of sources. I hear what you're saying about 'hydro' in general though, I grew that kind of quality for a few years myself (lol). A lot of growers with the wrong information out there. Your comparison to tasteless commercial tomatoes is highly appropriate for the majority of dispensary cannabis, organic/hydro alike. Careful you don't apply that to properly grown, using either method, as it doesn't apply. :tiphat: The majority of folks out there have never experienced clean, truly medicinal, cannabis. It's no wonder they're skeptical, no?

BTW, using organic azadirachtin products produced the nausea for me. I can imagine there are a number of other products which also cause nausea, especially when dabbed. The insecticide/organicide/fungicides being used are really gross.

The combination of the medical efficacy of cannabis and strains which do not cause inebriation... Truly amazing. :)
 

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