How does Scrog v Sog for yield?

[qanabose]

Not sure how these two methods compare for yield...I know the concept of crowding vertical colas tightly together in a Sog operation is like packing sardines into a can and can therefore give exceptional yields but I was wondering if a well done Scrog operation could do nearly or just as well?

Anyone care to chime in from experience?

Any help would be appreciated,

Thanx,

QB

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Nearly, but not quite in my experience, using 1 cutting psf not 4 takes 2 or 3 days more veg to grow and train and yields maybe 10 or 20% less total.... but that is a "seat of the pants" estimation, not the results of years of scientific testing....

For "Legal reasons" it is often a good idea, to keep it legal....specifically, unimprisonable...... I ran 1k lights for just this reason, 7 or 8 400's looks far worse than 3 1000's.

 

[lilo]

my first grows were scrog or heavily trained similar to scrog plants. big downside to it is that it takes really long time. in sog on the other hand it could be perpetual and takes a lot less vegging. scrog always yielded less for me, i think there's something about one single plant/rootsystem that makes difference in the end. i find it a lot easier to sog in a larger bad many clones at a time rather then in many smaller pots. plant numbers is the downside to this method though. cheers

 

[Daemon]

^^Agreed. I'm still fairly new at indoor, but so far sog is working out much better than scrog for me. Everyone's situation is different, though.

 

[MDsmoke]

SOG is the best and only way to grow, and nobody could argue differently.

Less vegetation more penetration....

The only flaw is plant count, but nobody would care about plant count if it wasn't a discriminated plant.

True story

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

SOG is the best and only way to grow, and nobody could argue differently.

I think I'll argue differently.

There is no best and only way to grow.

Grow technique is something you decide based on factors and conciderations particular for you and your grow-op.

Let's say your growspace is small but vertically deep. Then you should use that vertical depth and grow trees, with lights that have good depth penetration (600w-1000w).
If your growspace is wide, but without vertical depth, then a SCROG or a SOG grow is more suitable, forming a vertically spread canopy using lights with little depth penetration (250w-400w).
If your grow-op is large (high plant numbers), then you might do best with a simple system that needs little maintenance, such as ebb and flow or drip.
If your grow-op is small, you better use a high maintenance system that needs more tuning but delivers more yield, such as aeroponics or DWC.

So, there are ifs and buts to everything.

As to SCROG and SOG, they're pretty similar in style, but there are still ifs and buts.
First of all, you don't use the same type of plant in SCROG and SOG grows. You use plants that branch out well for SCROG, and you use single cola plants for SOG. So, if you know what plant you want to grow, chose the grow technique according to what suits it best.

It's true that SCROG needs more veg time than SOG, which can be both good and bad.
If you start a grow and veg for SCROG, then you'll loose time rather than if you'd gone SOG.
But in a perpetual garden, when the flowerroom is busy for 8-14 weeks, there's plenty of time to veg your plants between grows, so if you're well-organized, no time needs to be lost.

Plant numbers can be very important in a place where legislation increases fines with each plant, so use that incentive against LEO. A med grower with a licence to grow 4 plants can either grow 4 small plants under a 400w, or 4 giant trees under 3K's of light or outdoors, it makes a big difference to your bud jars.
In that respect, SCROG is the winner, since it produces more per plant.

The SCROGged plants will veg longer and therefore be older. An older plant means sturdier stems, better resistance against pests, quicker flowering onset, and last but not least an increased potency, since the older the plant, the better its capacity to produce THC.

Then again, SOG is an 'easier' grow technique, since SCROG requires a certain amount of workload in terms of trimming, training, and knowledge of your plant, how much it stretches after flipping the light, etc. Pests and sickness can also be a nightmare in SCROG, since your plants are caught in the grid and there are often 'dead angles' or hidden pockets where pests escape sprayings, etc.

Concider the pros and cons, and chose your grow technique according to what suits you best.

 

[FreezerBoy]

SOG is the best and only way to grow, and nobody could argue differently.

Wrong.

 

[crazyoutlaw]

There is no definite best way to grow..as you have ot take in to account all the methods,grower experience,and plant versatility...some plants grow better in SOG...while others grow best with many bud sites...however having 40+small plants..witheach having a single cola gives VERY good yields..also,you only veg for 5-10 days..and thats if you are even planning on vegging...

 

[Guest]

Something to keep in mind..... Sea of Green is not without it's veg time; someone, somewhere, sometime, has to veg some stock plants or there would be no cuttings.

 

[MDsmoke]

What I say goes... Silence!!

Just playing.... Sog is definitely the best (just opinion), and its a method (so don't count blame it on the mommas lol).

 

[lilo]

Actually I agree, sog IS the best way in terms of yield. Nothing beats sog and that's the commercial way. And it doesn't matter how big of a space, soil or hydro - sog wins every time. You can find lots of different sog grows here on icmag. cheers

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

SOG is the best and only way to grow, and nobody could argue differently.

Less vegetation more penetration....

The only flaw is plant count, but nobody would care about plant count if it wasn't a discriminated plant.

True story

With a lot of love and attention, a ScroG can get quite close to SoG, this [below] is my friends first ever crop, showing nice coverage and consistency from all the attention they are getting. On a larger scale you cannot really do this, but, IMO, for a home grower it is perfect. This crop will finish with at least the basic target yield of a SoG, but using a quarter of the number of plants.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Sog is definitely the best (just opinion)

...which means you're simply expressing an opinion (so far not based on any reasoning), you're negating your own certitudes.

sog IS the best way in terms of yield. Nothing beats sog and that's the commercial way. And it doesn't matter how big of a space

In fact, SOG is the w-o-r-s-t way of growing in terms of yield. It is only the time factor that makes it interesting in terms of yield.

The size (and shape) of space has got everything to do with it. If you go from a two-dimensional to a three-dimensional way of doing SOG then it will become interesting, but a well planned mixed horisontal/vertical light tree grow, V-SCROG's, etc, will still outdo a classic SOG grow.

As said, it's the time that makes the difference.

 

[lilo]

In fact, SOG is the w-o-r-s-t way of growing in terms of yield

Oh, is that a fact? You've suprised me to say the least.
and it is silly to take time out of equation

 

[Stoned Cold]

Rosy; I couldnt have said it, let alone typed it better myself! A+ Posts

Lilo: I'm a perpetual SOG advocate myself, but to understand technicalities is imperative, especially to someone who's trying to make an educated decision and straight up asks for advice. IMO it would be silly to ASSUME time, or anything for that matter, in an equation. Just my 2 pennies......

 

[MDsmoke]

Rosy you are still not correct.... Single plant yield obviously sog is "In fact the worse way"..... but that is so obvious, and you know we are talking about overall harvest yield.. So mentioning that makes no sense to me. Time is a variable, but the key is the lack of overgrown vegetation that blocks light (why would you vegetate). You saying SOG is the worse way in terms of yeild shows your not looking or talking about the big picture....Time doesn't make SOG give you more bud in the same space as Scrog either. I could grow twice in 16 weeks, and say you vegetate for 8 weeks, and flower for 8 weeks.... I may have got 2 grows in the same time, but my yeild from the first grow was still higher then your grow that took the same time as my 2. Which means SOG is more efficient with space AND time.... Time isnt the important variable when talking about growspace. Though more harvests a year is where SOG benefits from time (which is what your saying) SO

Also I base my reasoning on rational... so sorry that we differ.


Summary of this.... SOG will give you more bud, and less trim I don't need to childishly discuss something so obvious.

Sorry for being sarcastic lol

 

[lilo]

Yea, some people just want to argue no matter what. Worst yield... duh

 

[Kwigybo]

If plant numbers matter, SCROG is the go...
If not, SOG is the bomb...

 

[crazyoutlaw]

SOG refers to taking ALOT of clones from a motherplant..Usually its 2-4 plants per square foot.The clones are vegged maybe 5-10 days,and then put to flower..All the clones will only grow a single top cola cus of the limited branching...Then you furtherm ore trim all the bottom leafs so only the top colas are being cared for...plus trimming it improves the air flow...Ima try SOG but with a 10,000 lumens fluro..wih maybe 5 CFL everywhere..

 

[crazyoutlaw]

How many grams PER PLANT is average for SOG??I was thinking like 5-10grams per plant..with 40plants thats about 400grams..just remember that when all the seedbanks mention HARVEST..they alwalsy say 450g P.S.M...they mean SOG style...with around 100 small plants...trust me if your extremely stealthy..then you cant beat SOG yields...just picture 100 small female clones each with a nice single cola...the numbers add up man!!Peace!