St.Germain
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Im considering moving to afar off land ! in an apartment ..
any one have any tips for apartment safty?
any one have any tips for apartment safty?
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how do I run 2200W in an apartment safly?
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bigjayworks
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i am in the same position as you
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You 2 are BOLD, like spicy mustard...lol....2200 seems like an awful lot for an apartment.
I hope you can pull it off safely,
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I hope you can pull it off safely,
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change the lock on the bedroom but not thr front door. make sure to light and sound proof perfectly. avoid foot traffic and loud volume. maintain low profile. pay rent on time, always. try to rent from a larger management company rather than an individual landlord, unless said landlord is out of town; smaller outfits tend to be nosier.
other than that just heavy emphasis on stay low profile. dont be blatant about your smoking, if you choose to smoke at the location.
other than that just heavy emphasis on stay low profile. dont be blatant about your smoking, if you choose to smoke at the location.
How is 2k in an apartment risky?
what if you have a 2 bedroom apartment with multiple 20 amp circuits...
so even if i lived there but had 40 free amps (4200watts) just for the grow, but only used 2500w, that wouldnt be a safty hazard as long as i only load each breaker to only 70% of its capacity right?
why do people always think 1k is so many watts...i think because they just think of a huge bright light and heat or something..or maybe how much bud it will produce and its hard for them to imagine growing that much, or they think of trouble (law) ??
but most portable heaters are around 1200-1800 watts, and there are lots of other thing that are high watt and add up real fast...if you looked around your place right now and add up each light bulb and everything, yeah everything is not always on i know...but the flower room is where most the light is and thats only 12/12 half the day
as long as you can control odor,noise,light leaks and make sure you know what lights are on what breakers and what not and have outlets labled incase your not suppose to have 2 things on at a particular time on that particular outlet.
affter you first have the room running, keep checking (feeling) the power strip, timer the light is plugged into for heat build up or burning smell to make sure the timer is appropriate for the wattage you have it hooked up to.
what if you have a 2 bedroom apartment with multiple 20 amp circuits...
so even if i lived there but had 40 free amps (4200watts) just for the grow, but only used 2500w, that wouldnt be a safty hazard as long as i only load each breaker to only 70% of its capacity right?
why do people always think 1k is so many watts...i think because they just think of a huge bright light and heat or something..or maybe how much bud it will produce and its hard for them to imagine growing that much, or they think of trouble (law) ??
but most portable heaters are around 1200-1800 watts, and there are lots of other thing that are high watt and add up real fast...if you looked around your place right now and add up each light bulb and everything, yeah everything is not always on i know...but the flower room is where most the light is and thats only 12/12 half the day
as long as you can control odor,noise,light leaks and make sure you know what lights are on what breakers and what not and have outlets labled incase your not suppose to have 2 things on at a particular time on that particular outlet.
affter you first have the room running, keep checking (feeling) the power strip, timer the light is plugged into for heat build up or burning smell to make sure the timer is appropriate for the wattage you have it hooked up to.
macster
Member
Your power useage is nothing 2200watts is the least of your concerns, its everything else,
steath is the factor,no traffic no one sees your grow (NO ONE) no bright lights, no smell, no hippy freak weirdos up all night.
Nobody gives a crap about your hydro bill until something else happens, get it. Then when the MAN gets probable cause he pulls your hydro record and its another nail in your coffin but not until you fuck up elsewhere.
Stay low and everything is cool Got it
Macster
steath is the factor,no traffic no one sees your grow (NO ONE) no bright lights, no smell, no hippy freak weirdos up all night.
Nobody gives a crap about your hydro bill until something else happens, get it. Then when the MAN gets probable cause he pulls your hydro record and its another nail in your coffin but not until you fuck up elsewhere.
Stay low and everything is cool Got it
Macster
BruceLeeroy
Active member
2k is possible in an apartment, but it's VERY risky. for a very small number of growers, it's not so risky, because they are smart enough to do what is recquired to pull it off safely. this number is very, very small!
electrically speaking, it's no big deal. 2k watts isn't even noticable on a power bill. what is noticable is packing in large bags of soil, perlite, manures, worm castings, buckets, fixtures etc if doing soil. if doing hydro, water pumps, air pumps, carbon scrubbers and falling water can all add up to a nice little symphonic hum that depending on your situation could go right through the wall/roof/floor to the tenant above/below/beside you.
it all comes down to some basic questions.
can you vent/exhaust and if necessary use an air conditioner without it looking suspicious. will their noise be a problem?
can you afford the gear necessary to make it an odor free grow? carbon scrubbers, ozone etc. these all add noise.
are you.... capable.... of building a sealed room in order for it to be odor free?
will the grow have to share a wall/ceiling/floor with a neighbor? critical question.
what style of setup are you thinking about? what do you estimate the total noise pollution from the room is? some soil rooms are whisper quiet. some hydro rooms sound like an industrial plant. can you guess which would work in an apartment better than the other? lol.
are you capable of having NO ONE, and i mean NO ONE, coming over to your apartment? my philosophy as a grower is that the second someone walks into that house, you've failed. growing big (2k isn't really big) is all about security. spare me and yourself the protestations that "this person is solid". i bet 90% of those who told narcs thought they were solid to. if you tell them, they'll tell someone. they'll think they're being clever and say "yeah i know this grower...." and expound upon your setup and how cool it is, thinking the other person is an idiot and wont figure out who you are. the traffic at your apartment, your garbage, and the odor of the grow are/should be your biggest concerns if you're going to try it. it can be done, but must be done very carefully. follow the NEED TO KNOW rule and you'll be fine. no matter how proud you are of it, if they dont NEED TO KNOW, no matter how long you've known them, no matter how solid you THINK they are, YOU are creating an unecessary risk.
peace
electrically speaking, it's no big deal. 2k watts isn't even noticable on a power bill. what is noticable is packing in large bags of soil, perlite, manures, worm castings, buckets, fixtures etc if doing soil. if doing hydro, water pumps, air pumps, carbon scrubbers and falling water can all add up to a nice little symphonic hum that depending on your situation could go right through the wall/roof/floor to the tenant above/below/beside you.
it all comes down to some basic questions.
can you vent/exhaust and if necessary use an air conditioner without it looking suspicious. will their noise be a problem?
can you afford the gear necessary to make it an odor free grow? carbon scrubbers, ozone etc. these all add noise.
are you.... capable.... of building a sealed room in order for it to be odor free?
will the grow have to share a wall/ceiling/floor with a neighbor? critical question.
what style of setup are you thinking about? what do you estimate the total noise pollution from the room is? some soil rooms are whisper quiet. some hydro rooms sound like an industrial plant. can you guess which would work in an apartment better than the other? lol.
are you capable of having NO ONE, and i mean NO ONE, coming over to your apartment? my philosophy as a grower is that the second someone walks into that house, you've failed. growing big (2k isn't really big) is all about security. spare me and yourself the protestations that "this person is solid". i bet 90% of those who told narcs thought they were solid to. if you tell them, they'll tell someone. they'll think they're being clever and say "yeah i know this grower...." and expound upon your setup and how cool it is, thinking the other person is an idiot and wont figure out who you are. the traffic at your apartment, your garbage, and the odor of the grow are/should be your biggest concerns if you're going to try it. it can be done, but must be done very carefully. follow the NEED TO KNOW rule and you'll be fine. no matter how proud you are of it, if they dont NEED TO KNOW, no matter how long you've known them, no matter how solid you THINK they are, YOU are creating an unecessary risk.
peace
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Very well said Bruce...I second that.
Thanks bruce...everything will be enclosed in a grow box w/ a carbon scrubber so odor and light leaks are taken care of, helps the noise also.
I will be doing DWC and have done it before vegging plants and when the is an airstone on there really isnt much sound(espically when the roots start to engulph (?) the airston) ...i will have 2 4 outlet are pumps...pretty much the fans cover up the noise of the airpumps.
As far as sharing a wall, the backside of the box will not be against any other person walls, and the heat will be vented out the window behind it. BUT there is someone below me (and above). The whole base of the box wont be on the ground, just the two end pieces.
So is there something i can put on the carpet to set the box on to help with hum below (if any).. there will 2 6" vortex fans (1 for scrubber, 1 for CT's) they come with variable speed control, so they wont be at full speed (most likely)..so how much noise do you think those 2 fans would produce??
The box will be sealed extra good and airtight, from the 6" fan to the exhaust there will be about 6' in in ducting: from the other fan to the scrubber there will be about 4 ft of ducting.
Thats another question...the window i want to exhaust out of, i opened it and looked out and up i can see the window from the aparment above ( the gap from the top of my window to the bottom of her window is about 4.5'...they have a screen in there window, but when there window is open, do you think they could hear the exhaust from 6" vortex?
The 12/12 would be setup to run around 7pm (lights on) so that way if (when) there is an inspection of the apartment i can take out the exhaust and close the window so it looks normal. Ive never had an inspection even close to 7pm, so most likely it will be alot earlier..(when the lights arnt on so you have one less fan making noise during inspection).
Its in a pretty big bedroom, but how would i explain a 8x3.5x6 box? It looks nice, 2 wardrobe cabinets combined, not some plywood box that 100% draw suspicsion..but it has a deeper extension so it looks more like a walk in closet, lol...thats what i was thinking of saying if they ever asked "my girlfriend always wanted a wlk-in clst, and this place didnt have one, so i made it for her" LOL
or i was thinking if that time ever came, stack a whole bunch of boxes, and files, mixed up that surround the whole box so they wouldnt even see it, they would just think it was all boxes,files (of course not so much they would be worried about a fire hazard) there like sorry we need to come back and inspect to make sure you cleaned out all those box's..doh
I will be doing DWC and have done it before vegging plants and when the is an airstone on there really isnt much sound(espically when the roots start to engulph (?) the airston) ...i will have 2 4 outlet are pumps...pretty much the fans cover up the noise of the airpumps.
As far as sharing a wall, the backside of the box will not be against any other person walls, and the heat will be vented out the window behind it. BUT there is someone below me (and above). The whole base of the box wont be on the ground, just the two end pieces.
So is there something i can put on the carpet to set the box on to help with hum below (if any).. there will 2 6" vortex fans (1 for scrubber, 1 for CT's) they come with variable speed control, so they wont be at full speed (most likely)..so how much noise do you think those 2 fans would produce??
The box will be sealed extra good and airtight, from the 6" fan to the exhaust there will be about 6' in in ducting: from the other fan to the scrubber there will be about 4 ft of ducting.
Thats another question...the window i want to exhaust out of, i opened it and looked out and up i can see the window from the aparment above ( the gap from the top of my window to the bottom of her window is about 4.5'...they have a screen in there window, but when there window is open, do you think they could hear the exhaust from 6" vortex?
The 12/12 would be setup to run around 7pm (lights on) so that way if (when) there is an inspection of the apartment i can take out the exhaust and close the window so it looks normal. Ive never had an inspection even close to 7pm, so most likely it will be alot earlier..(when the lights arnt on so you have one less fan making noise during inspection).
Its in a pretty big bedroom, but how would i explain a 8x3.5x6 box? It looks nice, 2 wardrobe cabinets combined, not some plywood box that 100% draw suspicsion..but it has a deeper extension so it looks more like a walk in closet, lol...thats what i was thinking of saying if they ever asked "my girlfriend always wanted a wlk-in clst, and this place didnt have one, so i made it for her" LOL
or i was thinking if that time ever came, stack a whole bunch of boxes, and files, mixed up that surround the whole box so they wouldnt even see it, they would just think it was all boxes,files (of course not so much they would be worried about a fire hazard) there like sorry we need to come back and inspect to make sure you cleaned out all those box's..doh
BiGreen420
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RENT A HOUSE!! 800-1000$ pay your own utlities, inspection's?? hell no nobody's looking through my house. don't really gotta worry about noise pollution as long as you don't have any noise outside no noisy neighbor on the wall next door. if it was a semi ghetto run down with no inspection's landlord that doesnt come around just happy the rent's paid is what you need, fix anything yourself rewire to what you need just make it look pro they won't even know.
BruceLeeroy
Active member
everyone has to evaluate their own situation. i personally wouldn't want to do it, just because of good ole murphy. you never do know when something will go wrong, and if you are in close quarters with other people, there just a whole lot less of a "oops" factor. if you rent a house, and accidently dump 20 gallons of water on the floor because of a faulty/clogged whatever, it's alot easier to get past than if you do that while having a tenant below you.
two 6 inch vortex's will make some noise, if its right below their window and it's open i dont doubt they'd hear it. how are you going to conceal an exhaust like that? also, are you taking heat into consideration? what temp will your air be coming in at? sq ftage of the cab?
growing in apartments is safe on a limited scale IMO. small stealth style cabs work well, but once you start hitting the 1k mark, it just takes alot of different bigger moving parts and with increased complexity comes increased risk lol.
two 6 inch vortex's will make some noise, if its right below their window and it's open i dont doubt they'd hear it. how are you going to conceal an exhaust like that? also, are you taking heat into consideration? what temp will your air be coming in at? sq ftage of the cab?
growing in apartments is safe on a limited scale IMO. small stealth style cabs work well, but once you start hitting the 1k mark, it just takes alot of different bigger moving parts and with increased complexity comes increased risk lol.
For the exhaust, the window slides sideways, so im going to have it opened 6 inches, get a piece of white pexi glass(or other material) cut out to size, seal it in the window, have a 6" whole cut out and attach the exhaust...there will be a screen over the window, so someone from the street looking up sees the screen, and maybe i will paint the inside of the ducting white 6" or so into it so there wont be shiny ducting reflecting...i could also get a darker screen, or put 2 of them, but i have to keep going to the street and looking up to make sure it blends in with all the other windows, so which ever way it has to be done, ill make sure it blends in.
water spillage would not be good, as of now theres goin to be no lines to get clogged, just individual buckets that will be emptyed and filled in the bathtub...
Im in LA, a big city..and i have my medical mj license (even though it will be over limit, still better than nothing)...people are way more relaxed and mind there own business compared to other places i have been to where 2k in any apartment would be OUT of the question for me.
I have evaluted the risk, and ready to accept the consiquinces if that time comes, i enjoy a challenge. the only thing im really worried about is when an earthquake comes, just hope im here, lol
water spillage would not be good, as of now theres goin to be no lines to get clogged, just individual buckets that will be emptyed and filled in the bathtub...
Im in LA, a big city..and i have my medical mj license (even though it will be over limit, still better than nothing)...people are way more relaxed and mind there own business compared to other places i have been to where 2k in any apartment would be OUT of the question for me.
I have evaluted the risk, and ready to accept the consiquinces if that time comes, i enjoy a challenge. the only thing im really worried about is when an earthquake comes, just hope im here, lol
I think running that many watts in an apartment is dumb. Apartments are made for small grows. I think the 250 is perfect and the 400 watter is the most someone should run, or two 250's. I got plans to run more lights and more wattage later on when I get a house and the room to do this in. For now I got to live in apartments and grow small. I run a 250 watter with no problem at all. I thinking of maybe running another one but that's it. It's to much of a risk to run that much if you ask me. SOG and ScrOG are perfect for apartment growing because you can maximize yields with smaller lights. Scope the scene out first for awhile and see how your neighbors are. Make sure have odor control. Odors is probally the number one thing for apartments other then showing people that gets people busted.
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Whoever said "As soon as someone walks through your door, you failed." Is correct.
Small price to pay for piece of mind and your own free weed. If joe bob bling bling wants to hang out, go to his house. Friends over your house is a bad situation, a risk, and you want to be risk free.
I grew in an apartment and I was damn near busted 3 times for "unexpected visits". etc... Once the manager comes in they want to know "Why is this door locked?" ...
I'd have a couple friends over and even though I had wicked venting, it's sooo tough to control because you can't drill anywhere. Odor was a problem. Friends would come over and say, "Oh man, smells like a nice bag of fresh ganj man, you growing?". I'd be like uhhh no.
Then I'd have other friends come up to me and say, oh yeah steve said your growing, hows that goin for ya, got any to sell? It was a nightmare I moved out a month after that.
I almost got popped another time because some kids a ways down were having a party and someone complained. So 4-5 cops show up in the lot and out pops a dog. The dog starts hitting on my door something fierce before the other cop says hey it's down here apartment 118!. I almost had a heart attack. I was running 1000 watt, nice venting, a carbon scrubber and ONA. Those dogs are insane.
If you live in a building with kids (23yrs or less), DONT GROW... move.
Small price to pay for piece of mind and your own free weed. If joe bob bling bling wants to hang out, go to his house. Friends over your house is a bad situation, a risk, and you want to be risk free.
I grew in an apartment and I was damn near busted 3 times for "unexpected visits". etc... Once the manager comes in they want to know "Why is this door locked?" ...
I'd have a couple friends over and even though I had wicked venting, it's sooo tough to control because you can't drill anywhere. Odor was a problem. Friends would come over and say, "Oh man, smells like a nice bag of fresh ganj man, you growing?". I'd be like uhhh no.
Then I'd have other friends come up to me and say, oh yeah steve said your growing, hows that goin for ya, got any to sell? It was a nightmare I moved out a month after that.
I almost got popped another time because some kids a ways down were having a party and someone complained. So 4-5 cops show up in the lot and out pops a dog. The dog starts hitting on my door something fierce before the other cop says hey it's down here apartment 118!. I almost had a heart attack. I was running 1000 watt, nice venting, a carbon scrubber and ONA. Those dogs are insane.
If you live in a building with kids (23yrs or less), DONT GROW... move.
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marguzz22
2000W isint big for a house, I mean 2kW , if your apartment has heated floors they take up to 4kW , so 2Kw is not notiacable on your bill , but the question is as all above discribed having it sealed.....you must ask yourself , how do you keep out the light leaks?It would be obvious what you are doing if the apartment is full of bright yellow light , what about the smell?Are you conna be able to do a full box or grow room with ventilation?
Leaf it to me
Member
Big bedroom or not, have you calculated the electrical draw you're going to put on that one bedroom? That's 2k in lights plus fans. If you aren't over the limit, that's gotta be close.
Edit: You did, my bad.
Also, you plan on having a window open all the time? I assume you're building a box behind the window? Even then, with it only open by 6" thats still a little risky. I'd only really consider it if that window faced trees.
Oh, and dont forget that you'll probably not want to exhuast hot air during the day because you wouldn't want people to see the heat waves emitting from your window...
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