How are new pheno's developed? How come there are so many?

[RaZoR!]

So this is really pertaining to OG genetics, but how come there are so many different phenos? From what I understand, there is a debate between the original cut being a S1 91' Chemdawg or it was Chemdawg x (Lemon Thai x Old World Paki Kush). I understand the concept of that being the Original Cut, but how did the other phenos come about? Were these seeds just simply other seeds from the same plant or did people do their further breeding and created some F1s, F2s , etc?

The other OG cuts, like Larry , SFV, Ghost, Poison, how did these come about? Were these seeds from the original cross or just F1s and Bxs ? How are new OGs being developed?

Please explain....

 

[Tynehead Tom]

my bet is bagseed
some folks are honest when stuff comes from bag seed..... some folks make up imaginary family trees..... and some folks know their shit and have an eye for picking winners from their seed pops. I kinda look at the whole "OG" thing as marketing more than anything but I been out of the game for most of the whole "OG" craze.
I'm from that era where O.G. means Original Gangsta

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

It's gotten pretty stupid over the years but my guess pertaining to the first few cuts to hit the scene, the sfv was the orignal, the fire, the louis, etc... were all s1 fem seeds made from the first clone.

OG s1's incredibly well and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree so an s1 fem seed plant is close enough to the original but still might be different in some minute way that it keeps the og name but gets the finders name slapped on it.

I've grown a few of the original cuts and fem s1 seeds they are all so close you can barely tell them apart.

The only discernable difference I noticed was some grow taller and lankier than others, the fire was more short and squat.

 

[corky1968]

some folks are honest when stuff comes from bag seed..... some folks make up imaginary family trees.....

You mean if I tell you some alien ship landed when I was was ice fishing for trout.
Three little green men came out of it and gave me some seeds with Clone X39F102
that my story is unbelievable?

Joke aside. Creating new phenotype is very easy.

Just cross 2 totally unrelated plants and then make F2's with them and you'll have all kinds of phenotypes.

For example: If you use a Indica and a Sativa plant to breed with. Your F2's will probably be all over the place.

 

[hazyfontazy]

i understood abusive was prior to svf and was the real original

 

[rykus]

Some may have been the same cut as well, just named after a reputable source, or given a tag to identify I as legit....ie ghost or SFV.

 

[Jellyfish]

Just cross 2 totally unrelated plants and then make F2's with them and you'll have all kinds of phenotypes.

For example: If you use a Indica and a Sativa plant to breed with. Your F2's will probably be all over the place.

bingo.

 

[Happy Times]

So this is really pertaining to OG genetics, but how come there are so many different phenos? From what I understand, there is a debate between the original cut being a S1 91' Chemdawg or it was Chemdawg x (Lemon Thai x Old World Paki Kush). I understand the concept of that being the Original Cut, but how did the other phenos come about? Were these seeds just simply other seeds from the same plant or did people do their further breeding and created some F1s, F2s , etc?

The other OG cuts, like Larry , SFV, Ghost, Poison, how did these come about? Were these seeds from the original cross or just F1s and Bxs ? How are new OGs being developed?

Please explain....

Good question!! I don't know, but Fire's guess of S1's seems very possible. I was also wondering if maybe some of the different phenos were from different seeds of the original cross- Chemdawg x (Lemon Thai x Old World Paki Kush).

 

[hazyfontazy]

I'm from that era where O.G. means Original Gangsta

me 2 and then in came abusive(loved that bitch) ,then sfv then ghost all superb and most offspring were named after the grower or area ,that simple ,great strain ,genetic history on it hearsay

 

[JetLife175]

i know ill be crucified for trying to lay this out... but ive followed this for years and have talked to alot of the original players in the kush movement (bubba, josh, cornbread, orgnkid, ghost, kushman etc) and have it somewhat figured out in my eyes....

OG Kush or "The Kush" came from a mystery bag of weed presumably TK. i wont even get into the TK cause thats just a clusterfuck of a story. But once that OG kush clone made it out to LA is when you started seeing all the different OGs... The Ghost, Diablo, Skywalker, Legend,Tahoe, Fire etc etc.. the clone got let out by the crew to a select few who either worked it a bit or just renamed it to distinguish their crop from others...

the original crew has stated that theyve even named batches things to notate which particular grow they came from, like the Mossimo OG or the Face off.

Nowadays you have people with tired clones trying to work things back into shape. its all a crap shoot when it comes to OGs now... if youre looking for good seed lines do your research. and if you are trying to source clones good luck because you better know someone in the right circles because they are TOO MANY bullshit OGs going around.

 

[Morphote]

First badass OG I came across was the 213, which appears to be nonexistent now. Plant didn't self so I can't agree that all these cuts are S1s. Also don't agree that any of these cuts have been "worked". I would be highly suspect of a compact OG. They all tend to be lanky and produce small round buds (as opposed to colas). Have the Larry and SFV right now. SFV reminds me of the 213 although not as loud. 213 had a very sweet loud funk to her. Roommate thought I had a room full of flowering plants when all I had was one 8" clone vegging in a 1 gallon container. That kinda loud.

M.

 

[Baron Greenback]

When a boy plant loves a girl plant very much.......

 

[Croissant]

Seeds

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

When OG came out it was fetching very high prices and selling immediately. In a highly developed market, any grower with a brain wanted the cut... But people were not giving them out and if you wanted one, they cost, a lot, $10,000 is a figure I saw many times quoted

However, I guess that many of the people buying big bags of OG found the odd Hermie seed and grew it on. As others have said, OG is very dominant, so bagseed is very close and would do well in the market.

I dont really believe many or any were from deliberate S1's because Americans have not really embraced Feminising at that point, or even now arguably.

There are lots of great things about the American scene, but one of the downsides is that there are a lot of braggardly bullshitters and chancers who pop out of the woodwork and try to claim something that is not theirs with a pack or 3 of lies, so the stories get even further muddled