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HONEY OIL !DENATURED STYLE
- Thread starter kilacaLIbud
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Hey Kila,just wanted to let u know I read ur complete thread and i decided to give Denatured a try.I must say Im impressed.I know Im new here but I have had lots of experience with chemical extractions.The reason why I was impressed was that the D.A. does not cut or disolve the resin quit as fast as Iso so in turn the contact time is not quit as critical although too long and sure ur gunna pick up some nasties.I still clean up my tools with Iso becuase again it cuts the resin faster.Im tired of chasing down Butane everywere and store clerks lookin at me like Im making a bomb with 10 cans of 300ml Butane.I cant find Hexane localy so I think this might be my new solvent of choice.Thanks for bringing this thread to I.C..Oh by the way as soon as I.C. will allow me to post sum pics Ill show u sum of my D.A. oil.(can I call it that?)It may even look a little better than urs Kila.(just kidding) I bow down to ur superior oil skills
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I'm sorry but you are flat wrong about that. I do fiber optics for a living and Denatured isn't allowed because it leaves an oliy film behind that blocks light and causes exsessive light loss...I beleive it has turpintines(sp?)in it.
You will have a much cleaner product using 99.9% ISO...the other .01% is water.
You can have any pharmacy order it for you or vendor houses that cater to the telecommunications field will have it.
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kilacaLIbud
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Buckwheat said:
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All I know is that it leaves an oily film on fiber optics...same brand you have posted.
I don't have a can with me to look at..What's the listed ingredients on it? You can rub it inbetween your fingers and feel it's oily. It's not pure.
Of course I wouldn't want water in my THC but it evaporates...and it's better than some chemical residue.
Just lertting you know Denatured isn't pure and it does have a residue...do what ya want.
I don't have a can with me to look at..What's the listed ingredients on it? You can rub it inbetween your fingers and feel it's oily. It's not pure.
Of course I wouldn't want water in my THC but it evaporates...and it's better than some chemical residue.
Just lertting you know Denatured isn't pure and it does have a residue...do what ya want.
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here's a snapshot of the msds for kleanstrip s-l-x denatured alcohol
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http://www.wmbarr.com/msds/CSL26.pdf
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which I found by navigating through their website:
http://kleanstrip.com/solvents.htm
the msds says it contains 45-50% ethyl alcohol, 45-50% methanol and 1-4% methyl isobutyl ketone
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http://www.wmbarr.com/msds/CSL26.pdf
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<--click mewhich I found by navigating through their website:
http://kleanstrip.com/solvents.htm
the msds says it contains 45-50% ethyl alcohol, 45-50% methanol and 1-4% methyl isobutyl ketone
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There's your oily residue.
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yeah but some norcal chemist says it's all good so go hard and make all the oil you can with this stuff! nevermind that it contains 50% methanol, that shit's good for you... in fact I have a glass every morning
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kilacaLIbud
Active member
i can care less.. what u guys say.. im not drinking the shit.. and theres not oily residue when u evap it.. and everyone thats has made it has nothing but good stuff to say about it .. and hexane is my way of choice .. hencE OG HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HEXANE before it was made available by me and fellow IC'er.. i could rant and rave how den is better then iso in every way.. quailty..quanity and ect...but i dont have time for the same arguement over and over....
and beautiful job POOLRAT>..that does look better then mine.. but i had ALOT of trim to do and lil bit of time..
but it comes out great. make u crosseyed forsure..
and beautiful job POOLRAT>..that does look better then mine.. but i had ALOT of trim to do and lil bit of time..
but it comes out great. make u crosseyed forsure..
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You guys should really do some research before messing with slovents. I feel sorry for anyone who has purchased that from a med club and smoked it. denatued alcohol is possible the worst thing to use period. Why? It contains Methanol which is a dangerous poison and CAN NOT be removed. Methanol is added to make it UNDRINKABLE. A search in any search engine for the MSDS on this takes about 2 seconds. I urge you to do a search and never use denatured alcohol
1. Product Identification
Synonyms: Denatured Alcohol; Denatured Ethanol; Proprietary Solvent III-1
CAS No.: Not applicable to mixtures.
Molecular Weight: Not applicable to mixtures.
Chemical Formula: Not applicable to mixtures.
Product Codes:
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2. Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous
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Ethyl Alcohol 64-17-5 91 - 93% Yes
Ethyl Acetate 141-78-6 1% Yes
Methyl Isobutyl Ketone 108-10-1 1% Yes
Gasoline 8006-61-9 1% Yes
Methyl Alcohol 67-56-1 4 - 6% Yes
3. Hazards Identification
Emergency Overview
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POISON! DANGER! VAPOR HARMFUL. MAY BE FATAL OR CAUSE BLINDNESS IF SWALLOWED. CANNOT BE MADE NONPOISONOUS. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. MAY AFFECT LIVER, BLOOD, KIDNEYS, GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT AND REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM.
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Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Poison)
Flammability Rating: 4 - Extreme (Flammable)
Reactivity Rating: 2 - Moderate
Contact Rating: 2 - Moderate
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER
Storage Color Code: Red (Flammable)
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Potential Health Effects
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Inhalation:
Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing, shortness of breath. Prolonged exposures to high concentration may cause drowsiness, loss of appetite, and inability to concentrate.
Ingestion:
Cause headaches, gastritis, intoxication, blindness and, in acute cases, death.
Skin Contact:
Causes skin irritation, cracking or flaking due to dehydration and defatting action.
Eye Contact:
Can cause eye irritation. Splashes may cause temporary pain and blurred vision.
Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged skin contact causes drying and cracking of skin. May affect the nervous system, liver, kidneys, blood, g.i. tract and reproductive system. Continued ingestion of small amounts could result in blindness.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin disorders or eye problems or impaired liver or kidney function may be more susceptible to the effects of the substance.
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4. First Aid Measures
Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical attention.
Ingestion:
Induce vomiting immediately as directed by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical attention. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.
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5. Fire Fighting Measures
Fire:
Flash point: 13C (55F) CC
Autoignition temperature: 463C (865F)
Flammable limits in air % by volume:
lel: 3.3; uel: 19.0
Flammable liquid and vapor!
Dangerous fire hazard when exposed to heat or flame.
Explosion:
Above flash point, vapor-air mixtures are explosive within flammable limits noted above. Vapors can flow along surfaces to distant ignition source and flash back. Sealed containers may rupture when heated.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Water spray, dry chemical, alcohol foam, or carbon dioxide. Water may be ineffective.
Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode. Water spray can be used to extinguish fires and cool fire-exposed containers. Water may be used to flush spills away from exposures and to dilute spills to non-flammable mixtures.
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6. Accidental Release Measures
Ventilate area of leak or spill. Remove all sources of ignition. Wear appropriate personal protective equipment as specified in Section 8. Isolate hazard area. Keep unnecessary and unprotected personnel from entering. Contain and recover liquid when possible. Use non-sparking tools and equipment. Collect liquid in an appropriate container or absorb with an inert material (e. g., vermiculite, dry sand, earth), and place in a chemical waste container. Do not use combustible materials, such as saw dust. Do not flush to sewer! US Regulations (CERCLA) require reporting spills and releases to soil, water and air in excess of reportable quantities. The toll free number for the US Coast Guard National Response Center is (800) 424-8802.
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7. Handling and Storage
Protect against physical damage. Store in a cool, dry well-ventilated location, away from any area where the fire hazard may be acute. Outside or detached storage is preferred. Separate from incompatibles. Containers should be bonded and grounded for transfers to avoid static sparks. Storage and use areas should be No Smoking areas. Use non-sparking type tools and equipment, including explosion proof ventilation. Containers of this material may be hazardous when empty since they retain product residues (vapors, liquid); observe all warnings and precautions listed for the product. Do Not attempt to clean empty containers since residue is difficult to remove. Do not pressurize, cut, weld, braze, solder, drill, grind or expose such containers to heat, sparks, flame, static electricity or other sources of ignition: they may explode and cause injury or death.
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8. Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Airborne Exposure Limits:
- OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL):
ethyl alcohol = 1000 ppm (TWA);
methyl alcohol = 200 ppm;
ethyl acetate = 400 ppm (TWA);
methyl isobutyl ketone = 100 ppm.
- ACGIH Threshold Limit Value (TLV):
ethyl alcohol = 1000 ppm (TWA);
methyl alcohol = 200 ppm (TWA), 250 ppm (STEL);
ethyl acetate = 400 ppm (TWA);
methyl isobutyl ketone = 50 ppm (TWA), 75 ppm (STEL);
gasoline = 300 ppm (TWA), 500 ppm (STEL), A3 - animal carcinogen.
Ventilation System:
A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures below the Airborne Exposure Limits. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details.
Personal Respirators (NIOSH Approved):
If the exposure limit is exceeded, wear a supplied air, full-facepiece respirator, airlined hood, or full-facepiece self-contained breathing apparatus.
Skin Protection:
Wear impervious protective clothing, including boots, gloves, lab coat, apron or coveralls, as appropriate, to prevent skin contact.
Eye Protection:
Use chemical safety goggles and/or a full face shield where splashing is possible. Maintain eye wash fountain and quick-drench facilities in work area.
1. Product Identification
Synonyms: Denatured Alcohol; Denatured Ethanol; Proprietary Solvent III-1
CAS No.: Not applicable to mixtures.
Molecular Weight: Not applicable to mixtures.
Chemical Formula: Not applicable to mixtures.
Product Codes:
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2. Composition/Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous
--------------------------------------- ------------ ------------ ---------
Ethyl Alcohol 64-17-5 91 - 93% Yes
Ethyl Acetate 141-78-6 1% Yes
Methyl Isobutyl Ketone 108-10-1 1% Yes
Gasoline 8006-61-9 1% Yes
Methyl Alcohol 67-56-1 4 - 6% Yes
3. Hazards Identification
Emergency Overview
--------------------------
POISON! DANGER! VAPOR HARMFUL. MAY BE FATAL OR CAUSE BLINDNESS IF SWALLOWED. CANNOT BE MADE NONPOISONOUS. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. MAY AFFECT LIVER, BLOOD, KIDNEYS, GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT AND REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM.
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Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Poison)
Flammability Rating: 4 - Extreme (Flammable)
Reactivity Rating: 2 - Moderate
Contact Rating: 2 - Moderate
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER
Storage Color Code: Red (Flammable)
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Potential Health Effects
----------------------------------
Inhalation:
Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing, shortness of breath. Prolonged exposures to high concentration may cause drowsiness, loss of appetite, and inability to concentrate.
Ingestion:
Cause headaches, gastritis, intoxication, blindness and, in acute cases, death.
Skin Contact:
Causes skin irritation, cracking or flaking due to dehydration and defatting action.
Eye Contact:
Can cause eye irritation. Splashes may cause temporary pain and blurred vision.
Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged skin contact causes drying and cracking of skin. May affect the nervous system, liver, kidneys, blood, g.i. tract and reproductive system. Continued ingestion of small amounts could result in blindness.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin disorders or eye problems or impaired liver or kidney function may be more susceptible to the effects of the substance.
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4. First Aid Measures
Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical attention.
Ingestion:
Induce vomiting immediately as directed by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical attention. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.
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5. Fire Fighting Measures
Fire:
Flash point: 13C (55F) CC
Autoignition temperature: 463C (865F)
Flammable limits in air % by volume:
lel: 3.3; uel: 19.0
Flammable liquid and vapor!
Dangerous fire hazard when exposed to heat or flame.
Explosion:
Above flash point, vapor-air mixtures are explosive within flammable limits noted above. Vapors can flow along surfaces to distant ignition source and flash back. Sealed containers may rupture when heated.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Water spray, dry chemical, alcohol foam, or carbon dioxide. Water may be ineffective.
Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode. Water spray can be used to extinguish fires and cool fire-exposed containers. Water may be used to flush spills away from exposures and to dilute spills to non-flammable mixtures.
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6. Accidental Release Measures
Ventilate area of leak or spill. Remove all sources of ignition. Wear appropriate personal protective equipment as specified in Section 8. Isolate hazard area. Keep unnecessary and unprotected personnel from entering. Contain and recover liquid when possible. Use non-sparking tools and equipment. Collect liquid in an appropriate container or absorb with an inert material (e. g., vermiculite, dry sand, earth), and place in a chemical waste container. Do not use combustible materials, such as saw dust. Do not flush to sewer! US Regulations (CERCLA) require reporting spills and releases to soil, water and air in excess of reportable quantities. The toll free number for the US Coast Guard National Response Center is (800) 424-8802.
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7. Handling and Storage
Protect against physical damage. Store in a cool, dry well-ventilated location, away from any area where the fire hazard may be acute. Outside or detached storage is preferred. Separate from incompatibles. Containers should be bonded and grounded for transfers to avoid static sparks. Storage and use areas should be No Smoking areas. Use non-sparking type tools and equipment, including explosion proof ventilation. Containers of this material may be hazardous when empty since they retain product residues (vapors, liquid); observe all warnings and precautions listed for the product. Do Not attempt to clean empty containers since residue is difficult to remove. Do not pressurize, cut, weld, braze, solder, drill, grind or expose such containers to heat, sparks, flame, static electricity or other sources of ignition: they may explode and cause injury or death.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8. Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Airborne Exposure Limits:
- OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL):
ethyl alcohol = 1000 ppm (TWA);
methyl alcohol = 200 ppm;
ethyl acetate = 400 ppm (TWA);
methyl isobutyl ketone = 100 ppm.
- ACGIH Threshold Limit Value (TLV):
ethyl alcohol = 1000 ppm (TWA);
methyl alcohol = 200 ppm (TWA), 250 ppm (STEL);
ethyl acetate = 400 ppm (TWA);
methyl isobutyl ketone = 50 ppm (TWA), 75 ppm (STEL);
gasoline = 300 ppm (TWA), 500 ppm (STEL), A3 - animal carcinogen.
Ventilation System:
A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures below the Airborne Exposure Limits. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details.
Personal Respirators (NIOSH Approved):
If the exposure limit is exceeded, wear a supplied air, full-facepiece respirator, airlined hood, or full-facepiece self-contained breathing apparatus.
Skin Protection:
Wear impervious protective clothing, including boots, gloves, lab coat, apron or coveralls, as appropriate, to prevent skin contact.
Eye Protection:
Use chemical safety goggles and/or a full face shield where splashing is possible. Maintain eye wash fountain and quick-drench facilities in work area.
kilacaLIbud said:i can care less.. what u guys say.. im not drinking the shit.. and theres not oily residue when u evap it.. and everyone thats has made it has nothing but good stuff to say about it .. and hexane is my way of choice .. hencE OG HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HEXANE before it was made available by me and fellow IC'er.. i could rant and rave how den is better then iso in every way.. quailty..quanity and ect...but i dont have time for the same arguement over and over....
and beautiful job POOLRAT>..that does look better then mine.. but i had ALOT of trim to do and lil bit of time..
Jesus christ, it doesn't matter what you do with it, how you smoke it, how you purge it. Fact is you are extracting with something that contains a dangerous poison and i guarantee you will not get it out by purging. Get a clue!
Its not like its never been mentioned here before. Everclear pure grain alcohol 195 proof. A solvent thats actually made for consumption.
Im also willing to bet that denatured is just like iso in that it forms an azeotropic relationship with oil and water and it cant be fully purged.
Im also willing to bet that denatured is just like iso in that it forms an azeotropic relationship with oil and water and it cant be fully purged.
Verite,What I have heard here is that everclear is a poor solvent becuase it picks up too many nasties in the wash(ie.chlorophil,waxes etc.)I havnt used it so Im not Knocking it.What I have not read here is the AZEOTROPIC relationship.Whats that and do all solvent extractions make this bond?
Denatured would be fine except gor the methanol, which can't be seperated or removed with our purge methods. Grain alcohol is fine too and similiar to iso in regards to removing THC.The key with any chemical extraction is not to wash longer than 2 min because after that you are removing chlorophyll.
As far as health risks and chems all i can say is i smoked BHO and iso for 12+ years with no known health problems.
As far as health risks and chems all i can say is i smoked BHO and iso for 12+ years with no known health problems.
Heres the info on azeotropic relationships in distillation/separation. And yes it does happen with most any alcohol, the point is that only grain [ethanol] is suitable for consumption. Iso, denatured, etc is all labled poisonous on the msds. The I feel fine arguement holds about as much weight as the old arguements for lining ceilings with asbestos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeotropic_distillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeotropic_distillation
