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HONEY OIL !DENATURED STYLE
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No tests huh? you must be asking me why information has yet to be posted information regarding tests of these extractions on a forum whose servers are located outside of my country
because these packets are free to surveil by my beloved government.
the spectra may eventually be posted on some image hosting service located in the US. or if anyone has any advice on a very secure way to host images, let me know.
unfortunately the only instrument that would be nice to use is not available. GCs are fine, MS is fine. but not GCMS. NMR, GC, MS, HPLC, SFC, IR, UV-VIS, shit, even TEM, but not GCMS.
all that is needed is something pretty pure, and standards of all the solvents. anything that isnt a solvent or a HUGE peak is an impurity. using the standard you can correlate the retention times and just get the ratio of the integration of that peak to the total and you have your percent solvent
I will see what can be done.
because these packets are free to surveil by my beloved government.
the spectra may eventually be posted on some image hosting service located in the US. or if anyone has any advice on a very secure way to host images, let me know.
unfortunately the only instrument that would be nice to use is not available. GCs are fine, MS is fine. but not GCMS. NMR, GC, MS, HPLC, SFC, IR, UV-VIS, shit, even TEM, but not GCMS.
all that is needed is something pretty pure, and standards of all the solvents. anything that isnt a solvent or a HUGE peak is an impurity. using the standard you can correlate the retention times and just get the ratio of the integration of that peak to the total and you have your percent solvent
I will see what can be done.
If I were serious about it I would perform the extract on a similar legal substance and have the resulting product tested by a lab. Plenty of plants that have glandular capitate stalked trichomes would work just fine. Lemon basil and a few diff kinds of mint plants come to mind.
I just wanted to add:
I absolutely whole heartedly agree with what verite, hashmasta-kut, and chiefsmokingbud have said:
its better to just not use denatured alcohol.
MY point was essentially that utilizing the proper techniques and tools, it can be used in a relatively safe way. that being said, if youve got butane, or isopropanol, just use that. if you dont, make an effort to find it. utilize every option you have (including making bubble hash) before you take the denatured route. in fact, unless your smoking the most compressed immature brick weed, its probably best to smoke it straight up than to make an extract with denatured alcohol. even with the tools I have, i wouldnt even touch a jug of rossville, because, well shit, i have a liter of 99.99% hplc grade ethanol haha.
from what i can tell you guys are among the only hash heads that even know what they are talking about.
many of us are OG refugees, and so I know that your techniques have been continuously refined since before the fall, which is quite a long time!
I hate to bump this thread up again, but i wanted to further add that i value all of your opinions very highly, because we share a similar goal: the purest, highest quality, safest and highest yielding extraction.
I apologize for sounding confrontational or argumentative in the past few posts. I will try to do whatever I can do to further this field while I have the opportunity.
I absolutely whole heartedly agree with what verite, hashmasta-kut, and chiefsmokingbud have said:
its better to just not use denatured alcohol.
MY point was essentially that utilizing the proper techniques and tools, it can be used in a relatively safe way. that being said, if youve got butane, or isopropanol, just use that. if you dont, make an effort to find it. utilize every option you have (including making bubble hash) before you take the denatured route. in fact, unless your smoking the most compressed immature brick weed, its probably best to smoke it straight up than to make an extract with denatured alcohol. even with the tools I have, i wouldnt even touch a jug of rossville, because, well shit, i have a liter of 99.99% hplc grade ethanol haha.
from what i can tell you guys are among the only hash heads that even know what they are talking about.
many of us are OG refugees, and so I know that your techniques have been continuously refined since before the fall, which is quite a long time!
I hate to bump this thread up again, but i wanted to further add that i value all of your opinions very highly, because we share a similar goal: the purest, highest quality, safest and highest yielding extraction.
I apologize for sounding confrontational or argumentative in the past few posts. I will try to do whatever I can do to further this field while I have the opportunity.
hey nice post, i take back my negative vibes 
Ditto, no hard feelings Gordon
Throwgar
Member
Guys, get a sepratory funnel if you're going to do this. People get black oil from the dissolved organics. Allow this material to settle out of the solution. I wait about 48 hours, that allows the vast majority of the non oil solids to settle out. I perfer the acetone over all of the other solvents.
I've found that it's impossible to have a wash that's too short. Any extra time will just add to the dissolved organics in your solution, but all will eventually fall out of solution too.
BTW, denatured alcohol is alcohol with methane and/or acetone added to make it unfit for consumption. Both of those additivies are also solvents. These will also evaporate.
People need to be patient when letting the solvent of their choice dry off. The residule water is a pain, since it always takes the longest to evaporate. Your oil should not drip off of a razor. If it does, there's either too much organic material in the solution (use a sepratory funnel), or it hasn't finished drying yet.
If you don't have a sepratory funnel, you can use something about the size and shape of a novelty shot glass. Allow your solution to settle in the shot glass then use a baby nose cleaner (or turket baster) to suck the gunk from the bottom of the shot-glass test-tube. Finally, allow the solution to evaporate by your method of choice. Let it dry for a week. Better TOO dry, right? Why is it that the oil will harden over time? Are solvents still evaporating? ...
I've found that it's impossible to have a wash that's too short. Any extra time will just add to the dissolved organics in your solution, but all will eventually fall out of solution too.
BTW, denatured alcohol is alcohol with methane and/or acetone added to make it unfit for consumption. Both of those additivies are also solvents. These will also evaporate.
People need to be patient when letting the solvent of their choice dry off. The residule water is a pain, since it always takes the longest to evaporate. Your oil should not drip off of a razor. If it does, there's either too much organic material in the solution (use a sepratory funnel), or it hasn't finished drying yet.
If you don't have a sepratory funnel, you can use something about the size and shape of a novelty shot glass. Allow your solution to settle in the shot glass then use a baby nose cleaner (or turket baster) to suck the gunk from the bottom of the shot-glass test-tube. Finally, allow the solution to evaporate by your method of choice. Let it dry for a week. Better TOO dry, right? Why is it that the oil will harden over time? Are solvents still evaporating? ...
well made oil is extremely hard immediately. you guys are nuts using and recommending acetone.
G
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Just been hanging around reading all the way through this thread. I am glad that Chief and some of ya'll chimed in here to cull the crazy thoughts on denatured. Now you might notice my name on here "Azeotrope". I did not just pick this in a random form. Now in other threads regarding lighting and stuff I have given some insite to some of my real world areas of expertise.
I will not give any more away. I will say that I have more education and experience in the world of electrical, mechanical and chemical engineering than some that teach at MIT! That is not to brag but to say OH MY GOD!!! Denatured is flat out dangerous and stupid. I have never even dreamed of asking that a thread be deleted, this one however has brought me there. Not only does it bring the risk that some will read the first few pages and go make death oil, but the thread starter is a F'ing jerk many times over. Maybe their brain is fried from the death oil. Stick to bubble bag, kiff, organic bud (vaped), and very clean butane. n-hexane may not form full azeotropic bonds and is used for food grade extractions. I have used it before, but intend to work up the reactions on paper before I decide if I will do it again. Hardware store solvents are not clean.
Peace and please don't be stupid!
I will not give any more away. I will say that I have more education and experience in the world of electrical, mechanical and chemical engineering than some that teach at MIT! That is not to brag but to say OH MY GOD!!! Denatured is flat out dangerous and stupid. I have never even dreamed of asking that a thread be deleted, this one however has brought me there. Not only does it bring the risk that some will read the first few pages and go make death oil, but the thread starter is a F'ing jerk many times over. Maybe their brain is fried from the death oil. Stick to bubble bag, kiff, organic bud (vaped), and very clean butane. n-hexane may not form full azeotropic bonds and is used for food grade extractions. I have used it before, but intend to work up the reactions on paper before I decide if I will do it again. Hardware store solvents are not clean.
Peace and please don't be stupid!
do some types of solvents bind with the thcs etc in the resin extract, and therefore arent removed completely?
G
Guest
Yes, in either in a full azeotropic form or a near azeotrope. Either way it is risky to be just stabbing in the dark with hardware store solvents.
Yeah that's my understanding especially with methanol (poison added to alcohol making it undrinkable) that it cannot be removed by evaporation.
mark6699331
Active member
Hey Azeo... I would think Butane is a way bad solvent. I've never smoked any butane oil even clean and well evaped that i felt didn't have butane residue in it. Always gave me a head ache or spins.
I have a friend that makes alcohol oil he claims is pharmacetical grade alcohol he gets out of oakland. Is this a safe way to make good oil?
Thanks for your help. BTW- i originally had a double major in physics and chemistry so any psuedo-chemical explanation would be of help.
Thanks for your input.
mark
I have a friend that makes alcohol oil he claims is pharmacetical grade alcohol he gets out of oakland. Is this a safe way to make good oil?
Thanks for your help. BTW- i originally had a double major in physics and chemistry so any psuedo-chemical explanation would be of help.
Thanks for your input.
mark
Disclaimer: dont use denatured ethanol. just to be safe. chances are you wont be able do any of this.
The solvent can absolutely be removed to safe levels if you know what your doing and have what you need. you definitely need at least a duo seal pump. you will also need some glassware to facilitate the pump. if you have these things, you can get a smaller concentration of methanol than what is found in store bought vodka.
I have removed plenty of higher boiling solvents from samples in the past (DMF, dichlorobenzene). to the point where you certainly cant see it in the 1H NMR, and the HPLC integrations indicate PPM levels, even for DMF.
that being said, dont use it. pick up a bottle of HPLC ethanol.
also: dont use hexanes from electrical cleaner. just because there is no indication of a residue, does not mean that there isnt anything dissolved in it. that is certainly the equivalent of using random hardware store solvents.
in general though, hexanes are pretty safe. dont drink it, dont go swimming in it, and dont smoke near it, but other than that its pretty good shit. I personally like pentane more, it goes down smooth and has that natural hydrocarbon freshness! (joke, dont drink any of this shit)
The solvent can absolutely be removed to safe levels if you know what your doing and have what you need. you definitely need at least a duo seal pump. you will also need some glassware to facilitate the pump. if you have these things, you can get a smaller concentration of methanol than what is found in store bought vodka.
I have removed plenty of higher boiling solvents from samples in the past (DMF, dichlorobenzene). to the point where you certainly cant see it in the 1H NMR, and the HPLC integrations indicate PPM levels, even for DMF.
that being said, dont use it. pick up a bottle of HPLC ethanol.
also: dont use hexanes from electrical cleaner. just because there is no indication of a residue, does not mean that there isnt anything dissolved in it. that is certainly the equivalent of using random hardware store solvents.
in general though, hexanes are pretty safe. dont drink it, dont go swimming in it, and dont smoke near it, but other than that its pretty good shit. I personally like pentane more, it goes down smooth and has that natural hydrocarbon freshness! (joke, dont drink any of this shit)
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mark6699331
Active member
dichlorobezanes?? Aren't those carcinogenic? This thread has me pretty confused. I wouldn't touch butane or acetone- too bad its not the good ol' days were you could access a lab in a safe enviornment and just use USP ether, eh?
m
m
"have removed plenty of higher boiling solvents from samples in the past (DMF, dichlorobenzene). to the point where you certainly cant see it in the 1H NMR, and the HPLC integrations indicate PPM levels, even for DMF."
This describes something I have done in the past. I never said it had anything to do with THC or cannabis at all.
and yeah, chlorinated benzene (dichloro and trichloro) and toluene are the best solvents for C60. (most aromatics work well due to pi stacking interactions)
This describes something I have done in the past. I never said it had anything to do with THC or cannabis at all.
and yeah, chlorinated benzene (dichloro and trichloro) and toluene are the best solvents for C60. (most aromatics work well due to pi stacking interactions)
mark6699331
Active member
Oh I gottcha. No wonder why we see di-chloro's and tri-chloro's in so many products. Good Ion izers i could say?
I sure miss the days when i had access to a NMR machine. Even those electron microscopes i had access to with a i believe some sort of Nikon camera we used to take pics. I always got more into the pics than the chemistry of it. And now i'm a english major- go figure.
m
I sure miss the days when i had access to a NMR machine. Even those electron microscopes i had access to with a i believe some sort of Nikon camera we used to take pics. I always got more into the pics than the chemistry of it. And now i'm a english major- go figure.
m
yeah man, those EMs just use CCD technology. the cameras are obviously high quality but yeah nikon and companies like that make them.
the TEM I used to use had a $100k CCD camera. the funny thing was that the guy who ran the instrument told me the chemical film pictures were better than the digital pics, and they literally cost like 5 bucks for a roll.
the TEM I used to use had a $100k CCD camera. the funny thing was that the guy who ran the instrument told me the chemical film pictures were better than the digital pics, and they literally cost like 5 bucks for a roll.
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