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HONEY OIL !DENATURED STYLE
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house said:
like i posted earlier, methanol has a higher evaporation point then alcohol so you won't get it out..........that's why they use it.
johnboi2006
New member
ok you guys. I am trying everclear right now.I do have some questions though. I strained the solution through my regular ice hash screen , which should be larger micron by far than a coffee filter,right? Well I pulled tons of trichs into the filter, they did not desolve totally and pass through. I mean alot of gooey brown hash. SO now I have hash in the filter and eveclear green/brown liquid.
So I repeated the process again, got a second small batch of hash, and a quart of green/brown everclear.
Now I add half of both hashes back into a small portion of the everclear and I am cooking in down in a coffemaker, yes a coffee pot.
after this is cooked down I will cook down some of the liquid and see if it produces oil also.
I should end up with two different hash washes, and two different grades of oil.
Pics to come tonight.....
Black tar hash.........
So I repeated the process again, got a second small batch of hash, and a quart of green/brown everclear.
Now I add half of both hashes back into a small portion of the everclear and I am cooking in down in a coffemaker, yes a coffee pot.
after this is cooked down I will cook down some of the liquid and see if it produces oil also.
I should end up with two different hash washes, and two different grades of oil.
Pics to come tonight.....
Black tar hash.........
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Bennythejet
Member
i havent even finished reading this thread and found out that its not the alcohol that you use to get better stuff but that u get all the alcohol and clorophyll out of the oil and the better the better the strain and trichomes the better oil you get and that ur alcohol doesnt mess with the trichs too much. I dont see how the quality could be based on the alcohol u use when its gone in a flash anyway.
i also think that lower temps evaporating is better because the it doesnt mess with trichs as much, but all oil will get you high.
Before i say this i want to let you know that i really dont care of your response to it because the fact is kilacalibud, you might be skilled in some ways but u gotta really shitty attitude and seem to think ur just better, fuck that. and have fun responding cause i dont care.
May peace be with u everyone
i also think that lower temps evaporating is better because the it doesnt mess with trichs as much, but all oil will get you high.
Before i say this i want to let you know that i really dont care of your response to it because the fact is kilacalibud, you might be skilled in some ways but u gotta really shitty attitude and seem to think ur just better, fuck that. and have fun responding cause i dont care.
May peace be with u everyone
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randude
I cannot believe how much this one thread has changed me. I have enjoyed all of the debate, but some of the childish insults do not help it. We all throw shit on the wall and whatever sticks is it. It seems that we have proven that if you use a solvent you will get a more potent, yet more harmful product. I am all about the vaporizors, but have yet to shell out the bucks for one.
I have made small amounts of hashoil with butane and iso. The stuff is messy, ugly, sticky, hard to work with, and you probably waste a lot trying to use it. I know I have. It was a fun experiment, but bubble bags (at least the ones that I make at home) are the best option for me. I am no health nut, but I still try to limit my exposure to some chemicals if I can. They are always finding something out there new that causes cancer or something. Hashoil is not produced for the public so there are no gov agencies looking at them for public health. Anyone that uses a solvent for hashoil should do so knowing there is a risk, and it's messy shit to work with.
Peace and love to all of you.
I have made small amounts of hashoil with butane and iso. The stuff is messy, ugly, sticky, hard to work with, and you probably waste a lot trying to use it. I know I have. It was a fun experiment, but bubble bags (at least the ones that I make at home) are the best option for me. I am no health nut, but I still try to limit my exposure to some chemicals if I can. They are always finding something out there new that causes cancer or something. Hashoil is not produced for the public so there are no gov agencies looking at them for public health. Anyone that uses a solvent for hashoil should do so knowing there is a risk, and it's messy shit to work with.
Peace and love to all of you.
johnboi2006
New member
I gotta tell ya,,I just did a bho wash and added the oil to this other ball of hash/ iso oil mix and man this shit it tasty! The bho really brings out the flavors. But the iso hash/oil mix really gets me wasted real fast. Intense stone buzz, almost can't drive safely. And I am high about 20 hours a day.
kilacaLIbud
Active member
still aint dead... shit works.. .bout to make another batch of honey oil for all u haters....
was hoping this thread would just drop off into the archives preventing Newbs from taking the wrong route of oil extraction
a couple things:
most denatured alcohol is denatured with methanol, not benzene. methanol is in the ****ing liquor you buy at the store, albeit in much smaller concentration.
if you evaporate all of the solvent (which is not possible by essentially every single method i have seen on this forum, OG, and any other place where this type of process is described) the amount of methanol left will be completely harmless
chloroform is not flamable
acetone extracts wayyyy too much wax and other oils. acetone is retarded to use in a 1 step extraction.
you can't really be allergic to hydrocarbons. hydrocarbons are just bad for you anyway.
no one, and i repeat, no one makes oil using CO2. this has been somewhat of a debate for a while on various forums.
here now i will break it down on a wax plate:
many people make something that they call "earwax" or sometimes "CO2 oil"
by making bho first. then as the bho is purging in the pan, they spray CO2 over it and it essentially freezes it immediately and probably some other things.
people LOVE to call this shit CO2 oil, and unfortunately the retards that spread this bullshit have convinced many people that they have a supercritical CO2 extract. the cost of a natural product CO2 extraction system is well over 100,000. to even produce several grams of this oil would cost thousands of dollars. these system are used to extract extremely complex flavoring and aroma molecules from plants that contain miniscule traces of such compounds. its cost effective relative to synthesizing the molecule, and yields higher purity than other extraction methods and minimizes loss.
you also need high purity CO2 and someone with a phd in analytical chemistry to run the machine. plus, the companies that sell them are not going to sell them to some guy. they wont risk being involved.
in other words, no one can buy true co2 extracted oil in any club in any state in any country.
some dude's buddy who works at a chemical company might possibly be able to make like 1 gram of this stuff and then let his friend have a hit, but no one has bulk co2 extracted oil.
finally:
you can make 100% ethanol. distill whatever you want until you have an azeotrope.
you now need to crack the azeotrope by using a drying agent like Mg, CaH, 3 A molecular sieves, or something similar. molecular sieves are probably the most expensive way to go, but they are reusable. activate the sieves by microwaving them in a flask for like 45 seconds. vacuum off water until sieves have cooled. repeat this process like 3 times total. place the sieves in with the azeotrope. now you can further distill this mixture to 100% ethanol!
most denatured alcohol is denatured with methanol, not benzene. methanol is in the ****ing liquor you buy at the store, albeit in much smaller concentration.
if you evaporate all of the solvent (which is not possible by essentially every single method i have seen on this forum, OG, and any other place where this type of process is described) the amount of methanol left will be completely harmless
chloroform is not flamable
acetone extracts wayyyy too much wax and other oils. acetone is retarded to use in a 1 step extraction.
you can't really be allergic to hydrocarbons. hydrocarbons are just bad for you anyway.
no one, and i repeat, no one makes oil using CO2. this has been somewhat of a debate for a while on various forums.
here now i will break it down on a wax plate:
many people make something that they call "earwax" or sometimes "CO2 oil"
by making bho first. then as the bho is purging in the pan, they spray CO2 over it and it essentially freezes it immediately and probably some other things.
people LOVE to call this shit CO2 oil, and unfortunately the retards that spread this bullshit have convinced many people that they have a supercritical CO2 extract. the cost of a natural product CO2 extraction system is well over 100,000. to even produce several grams of this oil would cost thousands of dollars. these system are used to extract extremely complex flavoring and aroma molecules from plants that contain miniscule traces of such compounds. its cost effective relative to synthesizing the molecule, and yields higher purity than other extraction methods and minimizes loss.
you also need high purity CO2 and someone with a phd in analytical chemistry to run the machine. plus, the companies that sell them are not going to sell them to some guy. they wont risk being involved.
in other words, no one can buy true co2 extracted oil in any club in any state in any country.
some dude's buddy who works at a chemical company might possibly be able to make like 1 gram of this stuff and then let his friend have a hit, but no one has bulk co2 extracted oil.
finally:
you can make 100% ethanol. distill whatever you want until you have an azeotrope.
you now need to crack the azeotrope by using a drying agent like Mg, CaH, 3 A molecular sieves, or something similar. molecular sieves are probably the most expensive way to go, but they are reusable. activate the sieves by microwaving them in a flask for like 45 seconds. vacuum off water until sieves have cooled. repeat this process like 3 times total. place the sieves in with the azeotrope. now you can further distill this mixture to 100% ethanol!
gordonliu said:
You sure about that or maybe you typed wrong. Ethanol you CAN find at the liquor store, methanol AKA wood alcohol is classified as a poison, i have never seen methanol or alcohol with methanol for that matter in a liquor store.
Methanol
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General
Systematic name methanol
Other names hydroxymethane
methyl alcohol
methyl hydrate
wood alcohol
carbinol
Methanol, also known as methyl alcohol, carbinol, wood alcohol, wood naptha or wood spirits, is a chemical compound with chemical formula CH3OH. It is the simplest alcohol, and is a light, volatile, colourless, flammable, poisonous liquid with a distinctive odor that is somewhat milder and sweeter than ethanol (ethyl alcohol). It is used as an antifreeze, solvent, fuel, and as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. It is also used for producing biodiesel via transesterification reaction.
haha, you guys dont even know what your talking about.
you didnt know that when cellulose ferments it creates methanol?
you didnt know that vodka, whiskey, cognac, etc all contain trace amounts of methanol?
you can find lists that detail the methanol contents of various liquors. one of the lowest levels can be found in skyy vodka. (just fyi)
here is "proof" (because its from wikipedia) on the vodka page:
"Proper distillation and excluding some of the heads also removes methanol from vodka (and other distilled liquors), which can be poisonous in larger amounts. Methanol is formed when cellulose is fermented. This can be avoided by fermenting sugar with a high quality Turbo Yeast, so little methanol is formed. A fermentation of sugar, water, and Turbo Yeast will typically produce 1 ppm (one millionth) in the mash. This is much less methanol than found in ordinary orange juice and about one twentieth of that found in commercial whisky and cognac."
-wikipedia
no matter what, you will end up with methanol in the final product. be it 1ppm or even 1ppb or 1ppt you still have methanol in your vodka.
there you go
you didnt know that when cellulose ferments it creates methanol?
you didnt know that vodka, whiskey, cognac, etc all contain trace amounts of methanol?
you can find lists that detail the methanol contents of various liquors. one of the lowest levels can be found in skyy vodka. (just fyi)
here is "proof" (because its from wikipedia) on the vodka page:
"Proper distillation and excluding some of the heads also removes methanol from vodka (and other distilled liquors), which can be poisonous in larger amounts. Methanol is formed when cellulose is fermented. This can be avoided by fermenting sugar with a high quality Turbo Yeast, so little methanol is formed. A fermentation of sugar, water, and Turbo Yeast will typically produce 1 ppm (one millionth) in the mash. This is much less methanol than found in ordinary orange juice and about one twentieth of that found in commercial whisky and cognac."
-wikipedia
no matter what, you will end up with methanol in the final product. be it 1ppm or even 1ppb or 1ppt you still have methanol in your vodka.
there you go
I agree with you on that but what i'm getting at is: comparing denatured alcohol containing methanol to ethananol found in the liquor store containing trace amounts of methanol and drinkable, are two completely different things. Apples to Oranges. Denatured alcohol which is not drinkable and rendered undrinkable with enough methanol to make it poisonous is not a good candidate for extraction.
Methanol is a toxic product; extensive exposure to it could lead to permanent health damage, including blindness. US maximum allowed exposure in air (40 h/week) are 1900 mg/m³ for ethanol, 900 mg/m³ for gasoline, and 260 mg/m³ for methanol. It is however less volatile than gasoline and this decreases evaporative emissions but increases the risk of a fuel tank fire. Both in the atmosphere and in the liver, methanol is oxidized into two potent toxins: formaldehyde (used as a preservative for dead organic matter in laboratories), and formic acid (the poison found in ant stings). Catalytic converters will however break down most of these two toxins in a manner similar to hydrocarbon, nitrogen oxide, or carbon monoxide molecules which they normally dispose of when the catalytic converter reaches operating temperature. A modern catalyst can become operational as fast as witin 30 seconds after engine start. Air injection into the exhaust can allow for oxidation of hydrocarbons (as well as alcohols) even when the air fuel mixture is rich, as after a cold start. In addition, this oxidation heats up the catalyst faster. Compared to gasoline, methanol is much more reactive when in contact with a catalyst. The use of methanol, just like ethanol, will also significantly reduce the emissions of toxins such as benzene and 1,3 butadiene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_fuel
[/i]Different additives are used to make it both unpalatable and poisonous in such a way that is hard to rectify through distillation or other simple processes.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylated_spirit
In laymens terms that means it (methanol) can't be removed through evaporation. If you use denatured alcohol to extract anything, then you purge what ever material you are using that is the base product. The ethyl alcohol will evaporate and the methanol will be left behind. Just a thought
Methanol is a toxic product; extensive exposure to it could lead to permanent health damage, including blindness. US maximum allowed exposure in air (40 h/week) are 1900 mg/m³ for ethanol, 900 mg/m³ for gasoline, and 260 mg/m³ for methanol. It is however less volatile than gasoline and this decreases evaporative emissions but increases the risk of a fuel tank fire. Both in the atmosphere and in the liver, methanol is oxidized into two potent toxins: formaldehyde (used as a preservative for dead organic matter in laboratories), and formic acid (the poison found in ant stings). Catalytic converters will however break down most of these two toxins in a manner similar to hydrocarbon, nitrogen oxide, or carbon monoxide molecules which they normally dispose of when the catalytic converter reaches operating temperature. A modern catalyst can become operational as fast as witin 30 seconds after engine start. Air injection into the exhaust can allow for oxidation of hydrocarbons (as well as alcohols) even when the air fuel mixture is rich, as after a cold start. In addition, this oxidation heats up the catalyst faster. Compared to gasoline, methanol is much more reactive when in contact with a catalyst. The use of methanol, just like ethanol, will also significantly reduce the emissions of toxins such as benzene and 1,3 butadiene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_fuel
[/i]Different additives are used to make it both unpalatable and poisonous in such a way that is hard to rectify through distillation or other simple processes.[/i]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylated_spirit
In laymens terms that means it (methanol) can't be removed through evaporation. If you use denatured alcohol to extract anything, then you purge what ever material you are using that is the base product. The ethyl alcohol will evaporate and the methanol will be left behind. Just a thought
methanol is why red wine and dark liquors generally give you worse hangovers than vodka, but as was said above, if trace amounts of methanol in liquor makes you feel like shit the next day, why would you ever put something into your body that at any point ever came into contact with something that had 10% or more methanol.
yes that is true that methanol is poisonous.
methanol has a lower boiling point than isopropanol.
methanol has a lower boiling point than ethanol
isopropanol has the highest boiling point of the alcohols that we are currently considering.
it may be more toxic than isopropanol, but it is also easier to remove.
honestly dude, just look this stuff up. methanol is used in all kinds of processes in the pharmaceutical and natural products industry. according to that wikipedia (riiiighhht)
orange juice contains trace amounts of methanol
if you properly purge your oil (no one, and i mean, no one has done it properly from what i have seen) the amount of methanol left in the oil will approach the tiny levels found in store bought drinkable alcohol
proper purging process:
let the oil sit under a high vacuum for a week with a small amount of heat (like 40-60c)
you can buy a welch high vac for like 300 bucks off labx
methanol has a lower boiling point than isopropanol.
methanol has a lower boiling point than ethanol
isopropanol has the highest boiling point of the alcohols that we are currently considering.
it may be more toxic than isopropanol, but it is also easier to remove.
honestly dude, just look this stuff up. methanol is used in all kinds of processes in the pharmaceutical and natural products industry. according to that wikipedia (riiiighhht)
orange juice contains trace amounts of methanol
if you properly purge your oil (no one, and i mean, no one has done it properly from what i have seen) the amount of methanol left in the oil will approach the tiny levels found in store bought drinkable alcohol
proper purging process:
let the oil sit under a high vacuum for a week with a small amount of heat (like 40-60c)
you can buy a welch high vac for like 300 bucks off labx
why use poisonous methanol substances so you have to do that intensive purge to get the poison out? there is no way to argue it makes sense.. its we todd ed
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