History of Bubba

[Emperortaima]

Like there's a video with Matt Berger AKA "Bubba" who is responsible for finding the strain (Bubba) which has been outcrossed to what we now know and love as the "Bubba Kush" in the video he states that it was out of a pack of Northern Lights from cali that he popped like 5 seeds which the bubba came from my reason and objective with this thread is to shine some light as to which northern lights seeds line was it that he found this pheno in now I've done my research and can find a quote here on icmag which shantibaba states that Northern Lights is a worked Afghan so now we know some of the historical facts how can we articulate exactly which northern lights the bubba was found in? Let's get this thread exploding with information so maybe we can revive a dead line by trying to hunt for a pheno most similar if that is possible...

 

[Emperortaima]

Btw I went on the search bar to see if BUBBA had it's own thread and nope just a plethora of threads on bubba kush

 

[MJPassion]

Bubba Kush (pre-98) is purported to be an old Oregon Afghani. I've never heard otherwise. There's a pretty good thread about it at another site but can't recall exactly which one. (Thinking br33db@y)

 

[WelderDan]

I've heard the Bubba story. It goes hand in hand with OG Kush. The Bubba guy said it was a NL x some Cali Indica IIRC. It was then knocked up by an OG herm.

Find the Crippy thread were Supaklown claims Florida Crippy is OG. The Bubba/OG story by that Bubba guy is in it. I found the story somewhere on the interwebs and included it. I'm skeptical, but it's just as valid as most of the other stories.

 

[VerdantGreen]

i'm dubious about the bubba story, but who knows? i love reading all the different takes on it.

he doesnt mention line breeding the bubba kush 'cross' and yet there is very little segregation of traits if you self the pre-98 bubba - which would indicate it wasnt a straight hybrid between 'bubba' and 'kush'

VG

 

[Coughie]

Does Bubba (man) ever mention sharing the plant at all? I can't remember..


On the topic of what NL line Bubba (plant) came from, I'm not sure we'll ever know, because Bubba (plant) isn't around anymore and all we have is Bubba Kush for a reference. It's going to be pretty difficult to determine NL traits from the Bubba Kush traits, effectively enough to figure out if its NL#1 or NL#5..

 

[soundman]

i'm dubious about the bubba story, but who knows? i love reading all the different takes on it.

he doesnt mention line breeding the bubba kush 'cross' and yet there is very little segregation of traits if you self the pre-98 bubba - which would indicate it wasnt a straight hybrid between 'bubba' and 'kush'

VG

Hello VG,

I grew out a few of your pre 98 bubba S1s. I have a few pics under old screen name, but I got one pheno that looked more NL x OG than any Bubba people think of when talking pre 98 bubba.

No big wide fans, grew three times taller and had buds that leaned OG in structure and flavor. Just much bigger buds than OG and reminded me of NL in there too. No smell of typical Bubba. It wa by far the best out of the batch.

I believe there is more to the Bubba story than any of us know. I do think bubba is a hybrid.

I really enjoyed growing and smoking both phenos of you pre 98 S1s. Thank you for those.

 

[Emperortaima]

i'm dubious about the bubba story, but who knows? i love reading all the different takes on it.

he doesnt mention line breeding the bubba kush 'cross' and yet there is very little segregation of traits if you self the pre-98 bubba - which would indicate it wasnt a straight hybrid between 'bubba' and 'kush'

VG

That's correct Matt Berger does state that he didn't make the bubba kush as that was an accidental pollination my main objective is definitely to see if that Northern lights line (affie) o's around some on this beautiful planet earth that would be boss to bring back a dead strain that I never got the chance to smoke all I have is the threads and or articles online pertaining bubba kush

 

[Emperortaima]

Hello VG,

I grew out a few of your pre 98 bubba S1s. I have a few pics under old screen name, but I got one pheno that looked more NL x OG than any Bubba people think of when talking pre 98 bubba.

No big wide fans, grew three times taller and had buds that leaned OG in structure and flavor. Just much bigger buds than OG and reminded me of NL in there too. No smell of typical Bubba. It wa by far the best out of the batch.

I believe there is more to the Bubba story than any of us know. I do think bubba is a hybrid.

I really enjoyed growing and smoking both phenos of you pre 98 S1s. Thank you for those.

Mind if I look at the pics you have is there a link that could bring me to it this topic I'm happy to see this poppin' bless up me icmag fam

 

[Emperortaima]

2:05 he starts talking about the bubba like he got some seeds from a friend out in North California he states Northern Lights not a nl x

Here's the video I will be digging for more information online as we speak
https://youtu.be/x2qBscpgGEI

 

[Coughie]

Does Bubba (man) ever mention sharing the plant at all? I can't remember..

So he did share the plant, with 5 people, all of whom claim to have lost it, and the people they shared it with say the same, as the story goes..

So if Bubba Kush came from OG herming onto 'Bubba', then it's a product of Northern Lights x OG Kush..


More details about Bubba herself would have to be uncovered to even know what to look for; but once a profile was compiled, the best chance of finding anything like that would be to start buying Northern Lights lines and searching for something that matched the profile.

 

[Emperortaima]

So he did share the plant, with 5 people, all of whom claim to have lost it, and the people they shared it with say the same, as the story goes..

So if Bubba Kush came from OG herming onto 'Bubba', then it's a product of Northern Lights x OG Kush..


More details about Bubba herself would have to be uncovered to even know what to look for; but once a profile was compiled, the best chance of finding anything like that would be to start buying Northern Lights lines and searching for something that matched the profile.

Thx Coighie for contributing I'm blessed this thread is going anywhere

 

[soundman]

Mind if I look at the pics you have is there a link that could bring me to it this topic I'm happy to see this poppin' bless up me icmag fam

I dug into my old posts on the suject of VG Pre 98 Bubbas.

Here is a pic of part of a typical pre 98 bubba plant starting flower next to the tall NLish pheno. Same age ect.



Here are two bud pics after harvest of the two different bubba phenos. First one typical pre 98 bubba bud, second pic well you get the picture. Those are half gallon jars behind second pic.





And a fat leaf from the short pre 98 that the tall pheno never got even close to.

 

[soundman]

A better comparison of size ect between the Bubbas.

 

[Emperortaima]

I dug into my old posts on the suject of VG Pre 98 Bubbas.

Here is a pic of part of a typical pre 98 bubba plant starting flower next to the tall NLish pheno. Same age ect.

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Here are two bud pics after harvest of the two different bubba phenos. First one typical pre 98 bubba bud, second pic well you get the picture. Those are half gallon jars behind second pic.

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And a fat leaf from the short pre 98 that the tall pheno never got even close to.

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Thanks! Those are definitely helpful was the bubba kush s1 u grew very piney and hashy or was it expressing another affie characteristic?

 

[soundman]

Thanks! Those are definitely helpful was the bubba kush s1 u grew very piney and hashy or was it expressing another affie characteristic?

The ones that looked like typical pre 98 bubba smelled and tasted as expected. I really dont like the smell. Very strong funk to me. I guess a bit hashy with coffee in there. Im just not a big bubba fan. Had to try Verdent Greens as it was the real deal pre 98.

The other, tall one, had a OG hint but mainly something else. Cant quite remember it. Even had a slight fruit smell to it that faded as it cured. Would have never thought it came from a bubba seed.

If I were to grow Bubba from seed I would use Verdent Green again. Real deal seeds.

 

[420somewhere]

Neat thread..

Neat thread..

I've got four Pre-98 Bubbas which I'm using LEDs Vipraspectra 450 in a 2X2 tent.

This is my first time using LEDs. I've been using HPS/MH for the last ten years. I'm trying to reduce the heat which makes for a hard summer grow.

I just received a Vipraspectra 600 to replace HPS in my 3X4 custom box.

I may run the Bubbas to flower in my 2X2 tent. It should be a very valid test of LEDs.

LED Summer test grow

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=343827

Any input on growing with LEDs would be appreciated

 

[meizzwang]

The real truthful story behind Bubba kush, if it has ever been divulged, is probably for entertainment purposes at best. It's hard to trust the stories behind many cannabis strains, although some are likely truthful yet missing lots of key details. For example, Tangie is California orange x a skunk hybrid....nobody can re-create tangie using this information without knowing exactly what skunk hybrid was used. Technically speaking, the vast majority of main stream strains available today are skunk hybrids or have skunk in their lineage somewhere way down the line, so as you can see, saying a skunk hybrid is involved is worthless to breeders.

Because cannabis was or is illegal in most of the world and many "backbone" genetics came from professional (and sometimes criminal )organizations, the history of how some strains were made has never been revealed because these organizations that bred them weren't interested in being on America's Most Wanted. Oftentimes, we hear the story of how the strain became popular: Some stoners merely bought weed from the big growers for over a year: the weed smelled so strong, the growers must be spraying in chemicals, you'd get so high it made you roll on the floor like a dog....they never found seeds in all the weed they bought until finally, after buying many pounds of the same stuff from the same supplier, they found 13 seeds and now you have the story of the origin of chemdawg! Let's also keep in mind we're relying on stoners to tell the story

 

[Water-]

No skunk in pre 98 bubba

check out phylos, its in the same clone group as northern lights

 

[WelderDan]

OK, I did some digging and found the thread and the post I referred to earlier.

I'm not claiming any of this is true. It came from High Times (link included)

Interesting if nothing else.

I found this, from High Times - Sept 18 2013

https://www.hightimes.com/read/birth-bubba-kush

The guy that says he created Bubba, which according to him is from bag seed of a NL cross from Humbolt pollinated by a hermie Kush, which he says was from unknown bag seed from Gainesville. He started calling this "Kush" OG.

"Sometime in the 1970s, the Hindu Kush arrived on the shores of America. The strain takes its name from the rugged, 500-mile-long mountain range that extends from Afghanistan into northern Pakistan. But this story isn’t about a South Asian indica grown with loving care by tribal families for aeons upon aeons; it’s about Florida stoners and progressive growers who sought to create great buds, but had no idea what genetics they were even dealing with.

The breeder named Bubba sits down with me at the headquarters of Rocky Mountain High in Denver. Activity swirls around us at this warehouse/dispensary on the outskirts of the city. Bubba has just given me a tour of the facility, where he now serves as master grower. If things go according to plan, he’ll soon be working his magic in state-sanctioned growrooms in New Jersey and Massachusetts. “I’ve been called many things,” he says, “but most people call me Bubba. ‘Bubba’ is not just some redneck name given to me because I was raised in Florida -- I’m Bubba because I call all my close friends Bubba or Bubi or some variation.”

Obviously, Bubba wants to make clear it’s no coincidence that the strain bears his name. With that out of the way, he begins to spin his tale. “I am one of the original godfathers of Bubba Kush,” he intones, “but I will warn you that some dates and details may be slightly marbled due to age, memory failures and smoking the Kush for 20-plus years.”

Curtain up on the University of Florida, circa 1990. “It started with a bag of super-danky krypto -- but krypto was just a generic name for weed,” he says. “I was living with an awesome bubba of mine who was teaching me how to grow. He was really into crossing strains. We were lucky enough to have some superb Skunk #1 and other really special Gainesville strains.”

Attesting to his belief that the connections we make in life are not coincidental, Bubba ran into another longtime bubba from middle school who introduced him to a dude named Learch, who became a close college buddy. Learch was friends with Arnold, who came from Orlando. On one of his many visits to Gainesville, Arnold brought along an outstanding bag of weed that happened to have a couple beans.

“We popped them,” says Bubba, “and started calling the strain Kush. None of us knew that a real strain called Kush already existed. In fact, I didn’t know there was a strain called Hindu Kush until a few years ago. We smoked ‘the nectar,’ ‘krippy’ or ‘the kind.’ We rarely knew what strain we were smoking. If we had all the information that’s accessible now, we would have definitely called it something different. We actually named it Kush because of a friend’s older brother, who said it looked like kush-berries -- whatever the hell those are.”

The name Kush stuck. The college roomies began crossing their friends’ gnarly Skunk strains with their Kush, creating KX, KY and KZ. They settled on the KY and killed off the KX and KZ. So then they were left with the Skunk, the Kush and their newborn cross, KY.

Fate was kind. On a trip to Mardi Gras, Bubba was gifted a bag of seeds for a Northern Lights cross from Humboldt County. “Naturally,” Bubba says, “I popped all of the seeds that looked healthy. After killing the males, I was left with about a dozen. Due to space issues, I picked six, cloned them and let them bud. One in particular was absolutely beautiful: It grew like a stumpy oak tree, with leaflets that were so fat they covered each other and blocked light from the bottom almost entirely. Obviously, I kept this strain and renamed it -- what else? -- the Bubba. I continued to grow the Bubba, the Kush and the KY for the next few years, until I graduated. They were good years: Learch and I were the gods of Gainesville -- at least for a minute. It was the start of the phenomenon. We couldn’t keep the Kush around.”

Next, Bubba headed for Los Angeles and moved in with a college buddy, a best bubba to this day. They got a place in Silver Lake with a small space under the house ideal for a secret garden. Bubba returned to Florida, stuffed a roller-blade boot with a plastic bag containing a bead of water and some clippings from Bubbas that were still growing, then stowed it all in his luggage and brought his genetics to the West Coast. Amazingly, the cuttings rooted. In time, they decided to get rid of the KY and kept just the Kush and the Bubba.

“The Kush was a tough strain,” Bubba recalls. “It was so stringy, a bad producer and very finicky -- a hard strain to get perfect. But even a bad crop was still better than anything else we had or that was around in LA. But we had a problem: Our place was small and we couldn’t adjust height levels easily. The Kush was tall and lanky, but the Bubba was short and beefy. It was hard growing them together ... so, tragically, we decided to dump the Bubba.”

Fate stepped in for a second time. “We had another roommate in those Silver Lake days -- Josh D. In the hierarchy of the LA chapter of the Kush Brotherhood,” Bubba explains, “Josh D. was second in line. We had a Kush that had hermaphrodited and pollinated the Bubba. Josh D. was buddies with the Cypress Hill crew. One day, B-Real and his bodyguard came by to pick up some Bubba and discovered seeds in their bags.”

Bubba Kush had arrived -- albeit by accident! But it played second banana to their original superstar, Kush.

Within six months, the Kush Kraze was raging; nobody wanted anything else. Rappers, rock stars and actors all came to Silver Lake just for the Kush. “We were getting $8,000 a pound, and people were paying months in advance to make sure they didn’t miss out on a crop,” Bubba boasts. “We had it good. We used Kush for everything -- lift tickets, show tickets, restaurants, you name it. We’ve given cuts to hundreds of people, and they’ve given it to two friends who gave it to two friends. Soon, everyone was growing the Kush.”

But not well. “Some people who got cuttings grew it like ass, devoid of our original quality, taste, smell and appearance,” Bubba says. “Also, pseudo-Kush strains began popping up, which true canna-sseurs knew were inferior. Then shit from Canada called Kush began appearing on the scene. It was being trucked down to LA all squished and tasted like old carrots. Prices started dropping to $6,500. So people started making a distinction, referring to my Kush as the ‘OG’ to clarify it was the real deal.” (“OG” is an abbreviation for “original.”)

Since their creation, Bubba’s prized OG and Bubba Kush have caused nothing but craving. Their virtues have been extolled in rap songs, making Kush the strain of the hip-hop scene. But Kush has inspired some episodes of reefer madness, too: In 2009, Representative Mark Kirk (R-IL) introduced a bill targeting “Kush super-marijuana,” which he said makes its users “zombie-like,” and called for increased penalties for those selling it.

“Drug dealers know they can make as much money selling Kush as cocaine, but without the heavier sentences that accompany crack and cocaine trafficking,” Kirk said. “Higher fines and longer sentences aren’t the total solution to our nation’s drug problem. But our laws should keep pace with advances in the strength and cash value of high-THC marijuana. If you can make as much money selling pot as cocaine, you should face the same penalties.”

Thankfully, no such legislation ever passed. But although Kirk’s bill died, he’s now a US senator, proving once again that stupidity is no barrier to getting ahead in politics.

Fortunately, intelligence is valued in the cannabis community, where the core American values of hard work and a can-do spirit continue to drive the industry forward. Understandably, Bubba is proud of what he’s produced. “Today, both our OG and Bubba Kush strains are world-renowned. But,” he adds, “you’ve got identity thieves at work in this industry. One of my pet peeves is people out there calling their strain ‘Pre-’98 Bubba.’ There’s no way there was more than one pheno-type by 1998, since it was created in 1997!”

No doubt about it: Breeders of top-notch strains are sensitive souls. In fact, Bubba still grieves over the heartbreaking loss of the strain known simply as “the Bubba” years ago in Silver Lake. Like a parent speaking of a missing child, he says: “I’ve heard rumors that it still grows somewhere in Northern Cal. I’m hoping it’s true and that we can be reunited.”