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High court hears medical-marijuana case

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High court hears medical-marijuana case

By Marc Caputo

<!-- begin /production/story/credit_line_format.comp -->Tallahassee’s political establishment has repeatedly blocked legislative votes on medical marijuana and will ask the Florida Supreme Court Thursday to follow suit and keep the issue away from state voters in 2014.


Led by Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, opponents have raised a host of objections to the proposed state constitutional amendment, which they say could lead to de facto “unfettered” marijuana legalization under the guise of compassionate medicine“The proposal hides the fact that the Amendment would make Florida one of the most lenient medical-marijuana states,” says Bondi’s initial court brief,
The amendment backers, People United for Medical Marijuana, say opponents are twisting the truth and preventing the sick from legally obtaining help.
“Any statement that the initiative would allow unfettered use of medical marijuana would itself be misleading to voters,” wrote People United’s lawyer, John Mills.
Mills accused Bondi and opponents of dressing up inaccurate campaign-trail talking points as technical legal arguments to keep Florida from being the 21st state to decriminalize marijuana for medical and other reasons.
For the past three years, medical marijuana bills have died in the Florida Legislature, where leaders wouldn’t even schedule a vote.
People United, a political committee, says it’s acting because the Legislature failed to. People United formed as a nonpartisan group, but partisan lines are forming behind the scenes.
The amendment’s opponents are mostly Republicans who back incumbent Gov. Rick Scott, an opponent. Its backers are Democrats who support Charlie Crist, a proponent of the amendment.
One early polling analysis suggested that medical marijuana — which enjoys bipartisan support and garnered 82 percent approval in a recent poll — could affect the 2014 governor’s race, but pollsters from both parties suggest its impact would be minimal.
Even if the Supreme Court allows the proposal to proceed to the November ballot, amendment sponsors will still need to gather 683,149 voter-signatures by Feb. 1. People United says it has about 500,000 signed petitions, fewer than half of which have been verified.
To pass, an amendment needs 60 percent voter support, a significant challenge.
During oral arguments Thursday, the state Supreme Court justices will focus on whether the proposed amendment limits itself to one subject, is clear and whether its ballot title or 75-word ballot summary are misleading.
The ballot summary’s language has drawn the most criticism. It says medical marijuana would be reserved for those who suffer from “debilitating diseases.”
But the language is open to wide interpretation, says Bondi’s court briefs, which are echoed by filings from state House and Senate leaders, an anti-drug group and powerful lobbies that include the Florida Chamber of Commerce, the Florida Medical Association and the associations representing police chiefs and sheriffs.

“The summary uses language to prey on voters’ understandable sympathies for Florida’s most vulnerable patients — those suffering ‘debilitating diseases,’” one filing says. “If voters are asked to open Florida to expansive marijuana use, they deserve to know it.”
People United’s filings say the opponents are misrepresenting the plain language and intent of the amendment, which list “a series of specific conditions that must be met for a patient to receive medical marijuana.”The amendment text says that a physician must first conduct a physical examination of patients, assess their medical history and then use his or her “professional opinion” to then decide if “a patient suffers from a debilitating medical condition.”
The physician is also supposed to determine that marijuana use would be more beneficial then harmful, the period of time it should be used and then write and sign a prescription-like certification.
Opponents point out that the ballot summary says medical marijuana is reserved for “debilitating diseases” while the actual text only talks about “debilitating medical conditions.” So voters could be confused. People United rejects the argument.
From cancer to AIDS to multiple sclerosis, nine “debilitating” conditions are specifically listed in the amendment text.
But the text also says cannabis could be certified for “other conditions for which a physician believes that the medical use of marijuana would likely outweigh the potential health risks for a patient.”
What are these “other conditions” in the amendment?
People United says in court filings that the amendment “leaves open the use of medical marijuana for other conditions as the practice of medicine evolves,” but the unspecified maladies are not “trivial and minor conditions,” as opponents have claimed.
The group also cites a legal doctrine, “ejusdem generis,” that notes “when a general phrase follows a list of specifics, the general phrase will be interpreted to include only items of the same type as those listed.”
Opponents say there needs to be more clarity. And they complain the ballot title says “certain” ailments will be covered, but the amendment doesn’t guarantee certainty.
“There is no qualifier in the catch-all phrase that requires that such ‘other conditions’ be similar in nature or severity to the preceding list of nine specific conditions,” the opponents, led by the Florida Chamber, wrote in a filing.
“A voter who agrees with the medical use of marijuana for the nine listed conditions might not want to authorize its use for less serious conditions or diseases.”
The opponents say that, by combining a potentially desirable outcome with a potentially undesirable one, the amendment is impermissibly “logrolling” the issues together.
Also, opponents say, the proposal logrolls, misleads voters or violates constitutional protections or issues by:
• Giving physicians, patients and some caregivers immunity from criminal and civil actions in some cases. People United says it’s needed to prevent harassment.
• Allowing all types of physicians, including podiatrists and chiropractors, to recommend marijuana. People United says the Legislature can limit the scope to just medical doctors.
• Granting legal standing for any citizen to sue the government if it doesn’t comply with the amendment. People United says that’s not a single-subject violation and it doesn’t substantially affect the government’s operations.
• Directing the Department of Health to enforce medical-marijuana rules, which should be the purview of the Legislature. People United says the law would be a “minimal addition” to the department’s current duties.
• Creating a new public-records exemption for patients’ identities. People United says this, too, is a minimal issue and is within the amendment’s scope.

• Misleading people into believing the amendment would make medical marijuana illegal under federal law. People United says the court has to assume voters aren’t that ignorant.
LINK: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/04/3796894/high-court-hears-medical-marijuana.html
LINK TO FLA SUPREME COURT: http://wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/live.php

 

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Came in from united

Dear Mr Tudo,

Today, at the Supreme Court, United for Care's attorney, Dean John Mills, pushed back on the false and outlandish arguments made by the Attorney General's office. The AG's positions against the petition boiled down to two main concepts, both patently and demonstrably untrue: 1) that the language would allow doctors to prescribe marijuana for literally any condition, regardless of whether it is debilitating, and 2) that the petition sends mixed signals about marijuana's legality under federal law.
The petition language is clear: Doctors MUST certify that the condition they are prescribing for is debilitating to the patient. It also explicitly warns the voters that nothing in the amendment allows a violation of Federal law. (It should be noted that 20 states and the District of Columbia have already legalized medical marijuana, and 82% of Florida voters want it.)
While we have confidence that the court will rule in our favor, we can't wait for it's decision. We have to collect all the petitions we need within the next 30 days
 

Drift13

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With a bit of luck Mr. Mills, United for Care's attorney stuck this up the A/G ass so far all she can see is brown.
 

Music Buzz

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I've been prescribed medicine from doctors that is off label several times. An anti-siezure medicine for epileptics can be prescribed for people with migraines, etc, so I don't see how they can argue that the wording be specific. If that were the case, the law would have to be changed each time a new illness showed benefit due to cannabis treatment. I truly hope this makes it to the ballot next year.
 

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UPDATE:
Florida Supreme Court hears arguments over marijuana ballot
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (Reuters) - Florida's Supreme Court justices raised concerns on Thursday at a hearing on a proposed constitutional ballot amendment to allow medical use of marijuana, questioning whether its language might mislead voters into legalizing nearly wide-open pot smoking.
The hour-long legal presentations by former House Speaker Jon Mills of Gainesville, in defense of the proposed amendment, and state Solicitor General Allen Winsor, who was seeking to block it from the 2014 ballot, focused on two points.
By law, the seven justices will not rule on the merits of marijuana legalization, but will decide only if the proposed ballot is specific enough and whether its title and summary sufficiently explain what it does.
Winsor said the ballot summary is misleading because it refers to prescribing marijuana "for debilitating diseases," while the amendment itself refers to "debilitating conditions" in the title.
"You don't even have to have a disease to get marijuana, the way this amendment is worded," he said.
He also argued that the wording is deceptive in saying that nothing in the amendment authorizes violation of federal drug laws. Except in certain tightly controlled research conditions, Winsor said, it is illegal to possess or use marijuana. He said the amendment implies that state authorization of medical marijuana use would somehow trump federal law.
Mills, a former University of Florida law school dean who helped craft the amendment, said the average voter knows the state amendment can't authorize violation of federal law.
"But it does," interrupted Justice Charles Canady. "It certainly authorizes conditions under state law that would be a violation of federal law."
Chief Justice Ricky Polston asked Mills if "a student stressed out over an exam" might get a marijuana prescription for that "condition." Justice Barbara Pariente said: "If I have chronic back pain, is that a condition or a disease?"
Mills replied that the amendment imposes a two-part criteria for doctors, requiring them to find that a patient has a debilitating condition and that "the benefits outweigh the risks" of marijuana use. Taken together, he said, those terms would prevent physicians from handing out pot prescriptions to anyone who wants them.
The legal and medical arguments are overshadowed by politics in Florida. Morgan is a major backer of ex-Gov. Charlie Crist, a former Republican who is now a leading Democratic candidate for governor next year. Gov. Rick Scott and the Republican leadership of the legislature, along with Attorney General Pam Bondi, vigorously oppose the marijuana initiative on constitutional grounds.
There is also a tactical consideration, in that strategists believe a pot initiative would bring out more young and minority Floridians - who, statistically, don't vote Republican.
The seven justices gave no indication when they might rule. People United for Medical Marijuana, the organization sponsoring the amendment, has until February 1 to certify 683,159 voter signatures - 8 percent of the turnout in the past presidential election - to get the amendment on the ballot.
John Morgan, the Orlando trial lawyer backing the amendment, sat through the arguments and expressed confidence that the court "understands the issue." He said proponents are handicapped by the 75-word limit on ballot summaries, and could not spell out details of state and federal jurisdiction or define "debilitating" afflictions like AIDS, ALS and cancer.
"What is a disease, what is a condition, what is sickness?" asked Morgan after the court recessed, adding that most Americans are familiar with the federal law on marijuana. "If that's going to be the issue that's going to deny compassion to all these people, so be it," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/florida-supreme-court-hears-arguments-over-marijuana-ballot-190740817--finance.html


May I ask a question about all this? It appears unlikely that this United group has any chance of getting 800,000 signatures in time. My opinion all along is this is a political game to get Charlie Christ to run again for governor this time as a democrat and appoint john morgan attorney general. Ok I'll try to keep that feeling to myself but what's with all this supreme court battling?

If 800,000 signatures are NOT raised then even if this lowlife bondi were to be smiled upon in this action what difference would it make?

Unless I'm missing something this just seems to be overkill on the part of these inbreds. Correct me if I am wrong.
 

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I watched the oral argument this a.m. and I wish Mr Mills would have referenced Mr Morgans brother who has a cervical sci and made the court aware that 'Spinal Cord Injury's' are not considered a 'disease' but those w/SCI's can need Cannabis for spasm relief and this isn't the only type of debilitating condition in which Cannabis can be helpful.

its no surprise the Attny Gen's position is one based in propaganda but I hope the courts opinion is in favor for the amendment.
 

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Florida Supreme Court hears oral arguments in medical marijuana case
The Florida Supreme Court heard arguments Thursday over whether or not proposed language for a constitutional amendment legalizing medical marijuana could move forward.
A lawyer from Attorney General Pam Bondi’s office argued the amendment was too broad and could allow doctors to prescribe marijuana for things like anxiety or football injuries.
Supporters say that interpretation can’t be reached if the proposed language is read in full. The amendment’s language, when taken in context, allows only narrow usage, they said.
The crux of that argument was based on one section making medical marijuana “not subject to criminal or civil liability” and another that defines a “physician certification.”
That certification must be given to the Department of Health when a doctor prescribes medical marijuana. For that to occur, the doctor must deem the person both has a “debilitating medical condition” and the benefits of medical marijuana use “outweigh” the risk.
“If I have one of the listed conditions, I partially qualify,” said Jon Mills, an attorney representing supporters of the proposal. “The doctor still must assess in his professional judgment the benefit outweighs the risk.”
Solicitor General Allen Winsor pounced on the amendment’s use of “condition,” not disease.
“You don’t even have to have a disease to get marijuana under this amendment,” he said.
The hearing was to consider a petition filed by Bondi's office asking the court for an advisory opinion.
In her brief, Bondi expressed opposition to the language, calling its scope “breathtaking.” She was joined by House Speaker Will Weatherford of Wesley Chapel and Don Gaetz of Niceville. In a brief filed in November, they argued, among other things, the ballot language was “misleading or incomplete.”
It's not the court's role to determine the policy merit of the plan, but only whether the language is constitutional.
The ballot initiative is being organized by People United for Medical Marijuana, a group chaired by well-known trial attorney John Morgan.
“Despite the gross misrepresentations by AG Bondi and her fellow Tallahassee politicians, the Florida medical marijuana initiative is clear, concise and, if approved, accomplishes a single, simple goal,” said Ben Pollara, the committee’s campaign manager, in a statement.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/403455/matt-dixon/2013-12-05/florida-supreme-court-hears-oral-arguments-medical

The only thing here that's "breathtaking" ms bondi is how downright evil people like you are.
 

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Vote for Charlie Christ, for Christ sakes!

Bye bye Ricky Scott, flush him down the toylotte
 

bombadil.360

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Florida's government is deeply infiltrated by cartels' interests.

any measure like mmj which can potentially take profits away from the well-established fl cartels will be a big challenge.

back in the 90s, 95% of all herb was either Colombian, Jamaican or Mexican.
 

stihgnobevoli

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i don't hold my breath for anything cept swimming. just keep doing what you do regardless. only you can start forest fires.
 

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