Hi guys few noobie Q's

[Greenjello]

Hi guys sorry to ask noob questions, but im learning a great deal with my first grow.

my system specs, clone/seedling room 4x2 closet, i have 3 4 foot shop light fixtures in it at 40x6 cool white bulbs.

veg/flower room...3 foot 10 inch x 1 ft 11 inch. i have a 400 watt MH conversion bulb in there rated at 38k lumins and i have a 400 watt HPS bulb rated at 55k lumins, ill switch to that bulb when i start 12/12

growing medium is fox farm ocean forest soil, have not gotten nutes yet. i have about 15 seedlings with two sets of leaves under the 400w MH i have 17 more under the shop lights. why i have so many going right now is because i started them all from seed.

question one: i have my MH bulb exactly 2 feet away from the plants, is this okay? i dont have my vent. set up yet im just running a fan in there and cracking the door temps right at 80.

second question: what nutes when you suggest i start with, and when should i start? my plan is to get momma's and clones in with my shop lights, and keep my HPS going nonestop flowering in a sog, after i weed the males out.

any help from the pro's is much appreciated, anything i should add or change etc etc. thanks guys!

 

[Guest]

Greenjello, Welcome to IGMag, one thing I would do if I was you keep the MH bulb in for the first two weeks it will help your plants get over the stretch.As far 2 foot away the closer the better if it does not burn your hand more then likely it will not burn your plants, remember a 400 watt lamp only gives you about 36 inches of plant height(from top of the soil to bulb). As far as nute less is more start slow you can always feed them more but it can be hard to remove to much of a good thing.Peace to you my friend and the best of luck dequilo

 

[Greenjello]

WOW keep the MH bulb closer than 2 feet? man im pretty scared todo that, i don't wanan fry the little guys. you think they will strech at 2 foot away? ( i just put them under the big light)

 

[Guest]

Greenjello dequilo is right the light can go closer than 2 foot away, anywhere from 12 inches to 18 inches will work. Do the test that dequilo said to do , put your hand under the light at the top of your plants and if it doesn't burn you in 10 seconds it should be ok. Slowly lower your light though a couple of inches per day .

I am no expert on organic nutes , but this link will help you out.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=19121

Hey dequilo nice quote from Sonny.

Good luck
GCG

 

[Guest]

if we are talking seedling save some bucks get some four foot shop lights and put those lights 2 inches away , if we are talking plant put a fan on that bulb and keep the air moving and it is all good.You can put your bulb in cool tube but I myself got rid of my reflector and run naked bulbs as close as I can get them with fans blowing on them.But you are the one that know what best for setup so a little trail and error some common sense and you will have it going on.Rmember my friend we are growing a weed the best of luck and stay safe dequilo

 

[Greenjello]

cool guys thanks! i work out of town during the week, i leave tonight so my wife is attending the babies. i lowered the light 3 chain links so its just under 2 ft above. i will fine tune it this weekend. i do have shop lights in the other room, i run 3 in there for clones etc, i currently have plants under them. these babies just have the first two sets of leaves they will do okay still under the HID corrct?

 

[Guest]

I would leave them under your fluoros for a while before I put them inder the HID. The light intensity might be too strong for seedlings. A lot of experienced growers veg under fluoros and when they are ready to flower they put them under the HIDs.

Check out BOGs grows he is an old pro.

Good luck
GCG

 

[Greenjello]

that sounds good, but my problem is i have too many plants to put them all under the shoplights. will they not grow under the MH? i swear i seen guys that us nothing but HID's?

 

[Twist]

yes its ok to put a few uder the big light.

Twist

 

[Greenjello]

yes its ok to put a few uder the big light.

Twist

lol well is 20 considered a few? i have 12 under the shoplights, and will keep them there, will 12/12 them in a month or so, get rid of the males, reveg get me a momma from each strain, then clone and keep mommas under the shoplights, and flower under the hid. thats my plan dont know any better way to do it from seed. i really want todo sog

 

[Guest]

Greenjello,dude how big of a footprint do you think a 400 watter will cover? not to sound like a jerk here but you state I have to many plants for a shop light . how big are they? you can cover an area of 40 inches x 40 inches and have plant about 40 inches tall and that is pushing it with a 400 watter and then when you change that bulb it will cover less.I run a box 4 foot x 8 foot x 8 foot tall when I have 400 watters in it I use 3 x 400 + 1200 watts (2/hps 1 /mh) and do 12 to 15 plants and that is pushing at 40 from top of the soil to bottom of the bulbs.I will 1000 watt in the center and 2 400 watters on each side and still keep the plants around the 40 inch mark and only do 15 plants. So I do not get the too many thing again not to be a jerk but check out the FAQ on this forum and it will help.To answer your question yes you can grow from start to finish with HID (hps or mh or both) your the one paying the power bill if you can save buck or two during the early stage do it because you will spend it else where. Just my two cents and by all means I would take that with a grain of salt because I smoke lots and lots of pot . the best of luck and be safe dequilo



Hey dequilo nice quote from Sonny. thanks

 

[Greenjello]

well like i stated, these are all from seed, when you do the odds, 50/50 for females, i will end up with roughly 15 females, 3 of them are going to be mommas, so that is 12 plants under the 400 watter. in the end i want todo SOG but i need bitches todo this, also another reason i have so many is, i didn expect 99% germ rate but i got it. i coulkd throw some of them in the trash but i would rather throw the males in the trash. as far as the power bill goes, i dont reallt care about running 400 watts i mean come on my computer uses more.

I just simply want to grow good pot, get the SOG thing going on, and have clones to stick in that room right after each harvest, i have these plants in just under 8 square feet of space, im pushing the 50watt rule, i didnt know you couldnt fill up all the space??? If you know a better way for me to get this SOG going and to keep my harvest comming from clones awesome, im not such a noob that i have not read the FAQ, i visit OG too, but i'm here because that site is slow and i dont want kiddies advice.

 

[Guest]

I with you on the kiddie advice if you are doing a SOG say in six inch square pot in a 36 inch by 36 inch you will be able to get 36 single cola plant in there all day and if you pick the right strain they will not get too bush on you so you have some air movement it will be all good.Dude do not be offended by the FAQ thing because it was only to try to help you a little and I am glad that you have hungout at OG, I am only tring to give you some good advice hopefully but of course you will have to be the judge of that.Your right about the cost to run a 400 watter it is not that much I run 3200 watts and do four crops a year for my head and about 1600 grams out of and 1800 watt box each run. So I do hope kiddie advice is not what you think I am trying to give you but I wish you all the best and stay safe dequilo

 

[Greenjello]

nah i wasn't refering to you, just OG. i take all the advise i can get since im new, i just dont wanna kill these since i paid good money for seeds (can't believe i did that) but anyways they are starting the third set if leaves so i hope they are big enough for the big lamp, im gonna leave them in there and see what happens they are looking pretty good not sagging at all. the fan seems to help, and im hoping it gives them a nice thick stalk.

SOG is gonna have to wait untill i can get the dudes out of here, but i can't wait!! thats the hardest part is waiting for this shit lol

 

[Guest]

"paid good money for seeds (can't believe i did that)" I can if you have buying the weed and been getting seeds you have been paying the same for those as you do your weed. It is always good to buy some know genetics because so much more predictable as to finishing time, how tall it will get, the high, etc.. Thick stalks are good but remember they make stakes I always in the end stake ninty % of my bud that way I can kinda put them where I want to fill my space and alway stake each plant (bud) in my SOG. GL D.

 

[Greenjello]

good advise, i prolly will myself thanks dude appreciate the help

 

[Guest]

here is a couple of more thing for you to think about if you start with 12 beans and 10 of the pop and you get fifty/fifty male female and you take one mom and finish four as plants (small bushes) you will be real lucky to finish those four well under that 400 watter and I am just telling from my growing experience you maybe able to put more under there.With one good mom plant you will be able take more clones then you can grow and if you take a couple of clones and turn them in to mom it gets scary.If you finish them four real well and get 100 grams dired cured off of each plant you are my hero so those are all things to think about there is a lot you can do . peace dequilo

 

[Guest]

Greenjello, I almost forgot I have a gallery over here so I alway love to post some pot porn to look at, that box has 3 x 400 for 1200 watts so I am pushing it a little with fifteen plants,but a plant like that will give me a hundred grams dried and cured smoke all day. As I say the best of luck and I hope that I have help a little by giving you some food for thought peace and stay free dequilo

 

[Greenjello]

dude those plants look awesome! i may get another 400 or a 600 hps after im gone with this grow, i will have mommas with clones to get things kickstarted hard after i sift these males. im very excited to say the least

 

[Twist]

forgive me Greenjello I did't realize you were going bigtime with a 400 what lamp.

Twist