hi any ideas whats wrong here

[rfhead]

hi all
wondering if anyone has any ideas what im doing wrong here and what my problems are and what i might be able to do to

correct it ?

details are (sorry abit long winded) but i know you guys like all the info

im using

biobizz allmix
a mix of 20% Perlite, 10% worm castings, 5%
Biological Pre-Mix and the rest is made up of matured compost.


biobizz grow organic nutes at 2ml per 1 litre of water only been fed twice once when taken from aeroponic cloner to

potting also added a very small amount of epsom salts
and then about 10 days later at 2ml to 1 litre water when soil had dried out

water ph was around 6.5 and water was from a 20 litre plastic tank at room temp with an airstone running water had

been in there around 2 days before using

growing in a 1.2mtr grow tent rvk 100ml fan bringing air from a charcoal filter connected to a 400 watt aerowing pro

air cooled light then vented out the tent air is pulled into the tent through vents in the bottom and filter is sited

at the top of the tent

temps are around 72f to 78f when light is on and around 65f to 70f when light is off humidity is around 38% when light

on and around 47% when light off

light is around 24 inchs 2 feet away from the plants and they are on 18/6

cuttings were from a mother around 3 feet tall cloned in a aero cloner roots were around 3 to 4 inchs long before

transplanting into pots

the one thing i havent done is check the ph run off of the mix due to forgetting before feeding today and not wanting

to soak the plant

as for some reason it seems to take a long time for the soil to dry especially it been a smallish pot and using 400

watts and himidity been quite low ?
or am i missing something lol

i have attached a few pics taken today

anyway any help would be appreciated
thanks
jay

 

[Core]

the plant is telling me you are overfeeding.....can't say what for shure but it looks like 2 much ...just MY ...but be shure 2 check ph of the runoff....

 

[MCMC]

Definitely looks like too much food!

Definitely looks like too much food!

Isn't the all-mix already fertilized?
Give just plain water till you see some normal growth.
you didn't mention the size of your pots. Did you grow this way before?
Maybe the plants are locked up and not drinking because the soil is too salty.
Flush if you think it's necessary and wait till you need to fertilize. I wait for my plants to tell me what they want. In coco I can tell within a day if they like or dislike what I am doing!

 

[Brother_Monk]

From here, it "looks" like potassium toxicity.

 

[rfhead]

Isn't the all-mix already fertilized?
Give just plain water till you see some normal growth.
you didn't mention the size of your pots. Did you grow this way before?
Maybe the plants are locked up and not drinking because the soil is too salty.
Flush if you think it's necessary and wait till you need to fertilize. I wait for my plants to tell me what they want. In coco I can tell within a day if they like or dislike what I am doing!

even with organics ?

 

[rfhead]

Isn't the all-mix already fertilized?
Give just plain water till you see some normal growth.
you didn't mention the size of your pots. Did you grow this way before?
Maybe the plants are locked up and not drinking because the soil is too salty.
Flush if you think it's necessary and wait till you need to fertilize. I wait for my plants to tell me what they want. In coco I can tell within a day if they like or dislike what I am doing!

hi
the pot size is (15cm x 15cm x 20cm deep) will then be transfering into 11 litre pots later
i have been involved in grows with friends in the past but just as an on looker to be honest even though i did get involved
and became interested in it
they used to grow in miracle grow mixed with canna i think it was and got pretty good results
but i did notice a lot of members on here slating mirical grow and thought i would go with biobizz and biobizz organic nutes as i must admit it seems a little easer at first being a new grower

but i have just had a nose on a site about biobizz allmix
and now i have had good read it does state as you pointed out

(This well fertilized compost mix is good for a few weeks growth with no added fertilizer so just water is
required for a while.)

that will learn me not to read up on things fully
so maybe your right and they shopuldnt have been fed yet

oh well we live and learn lol
must remember to read more next time
do you think i would be best flushing or re-potting ?

 

[Blackvelvet]

biobizz grow organic nutes at 2ml per 1 litre of water only been fed twice once when taken from aeroponic cloner to

potting also added a very small amount of epsom salts
and then about 10 days later at 2ml to 1 litre water

Biobizz grow has to be used with bloom in order to be complete. Grow has practically no phosphorus when used alone. NPK: 1.8 - 0.1 - 6.6 When using all mix, they suggest 1 ml per liter grow + 1-4 ml bloom during veg growth. They also suggest using topmax but I don't think it contains nutrients so who cares.

1ml per l grow
n 18
p .43 its not even 1 ppm
k 55

1ml per l bloom 1-2.5-2
n 10
p 11
k 17

So 1 ml grow + 4 ml bloom per l:
n 58
p 45
k 126

This is very weak. Might even require more nitrogen. I can't really help any more because I don't know % ca and mg, etc... in the ferts or exact compostion of all mix.

How much epsom salts did you add?

I am sure we will get these plants on the right path.

 

[Ray of Light]

Hey Blackvelvet.

I have been using biobizz in previous soil grows and biogrow has NPK 8:2:6 and biobloom 2:6:3.5 .... In the usual 2-3 weeks veg I didnt use any bloom nutes.

all the best,
ray

 

[Blackvelvet]

Hey Blackvelvet.

I have been using biobizz in previous soil grows and biogrow has NPK 8:2:6 and biobloom 2:6:3.5 .... In the usual 2-3 weeks veg I didnt use any bloom nutes.

all the best,
ray

Great job Ray getting those numbers! I still think they suggest a blend of grow and bloom since the grow portion is low in p. Let's find out what the bottles he has says for npk.

Using Ray's numbers:

1 ml per l grow 8-2-6
n 80
p 8.6
k 50

1 ml per l bloom 2-6-3.5
n 20
p 26
k 29

If you mixed 1 ml per l grow and bloom:
n 100
p 35
k 79

About right for plants that size with 100 ppm n. (if the ferts are "sputtering out" present initially in the all mix.) Using just the grow at 1 ml gave you only 8 ppm p which is low.

How much epsom salts were added?

 

[Ray of Light]

I am not sure what do they think about mixing veg and bloom nutes but I forgot to add this, that says on the bottles.
2-4ml/L for grow, with every watering
2-5ml/L for bloom, with every watering

I havent been adding any epsom salt before, if you remember I have started to use it now, with Biobuckets.

Oh, the results with those nutes were very pleasing. With that I was using a few other products, I can list them. I havent been feeding them with every watering. I skipped the nutes with every other watering.

all the best,
ray

 

[Ray of Light]

Maybe we should talk about rfhead's problem here. I have checked biobizz site and they have two different soils.

Light mix : EC 1.2 ph 6.1-6.3
All mix : EC 2.4 ph 6.2 -6.6

He is using allmix and that IMHO is the cause of trouble+extra feeding didnt help at all. I would transplant your plants to Light mix.

ray

 

[Blackvelvet]

2-4 ml grow 8-2-6 per liter would be really strong. (160-320 ppm n; 320 n ) Probably too strong for these size plants especially if there are ferts in the all mix.

While the all mix has a ec of 2+, this may be a liquid starter charge sprayed onto the soil to boost plants recently transplanted. If this is the case, it would go away after just a few waterings.

He added epsom. How much?

If your only going to use the grow portion 8-2-6, I suggest 1.25 ml per l till the plants get larger.

 

[rfhead]

Maybe we should talk about rfhead's problem here. I have checked biobizz site and they have two different soils.

Light mix : EC 1.2 ph 6.1-6.3
All mix : EC 2.4 ph 6.2 -6.6

He is using allmix and that IMHO is the cause of trouble+extra feeding didnt help at all. I would transplant your plants to Light mix.

ray

i was reading a thread on here the other week about the biobizz nutes and soil
in the growers/organics section
and from what i could see and have read else where all mix can be used for first start of vegging but from what else i have read its saying only use water for the first couple of weeks due t amount of ferts allready present which i didnt (what a noobie) lol
i fed when i transplanted to allmix from the propogator

can i just add that the cuttings had spent nearly 3 weeks building up a good root mass in an aeropropogator with a quarter strenth nute solution using Sensi Grow a and b when roots had formed and grown to around 2 inches
they were moved to pots when the roots were around 4 inches long
its saying the allmix light is ideal for raising seedlings etc new plants

dunno ?
thats why im asking here lol

 

[rfhead]

so do you reckon flush or repot ?

 

[MCMC]

To the problem athand!

To the problem athand!

Maybe we should talk about rfhead's problem here. I have checked biobizz site and they have two different soils.

Light mix : EC 1.2 ph 6.1-6.3
All mix : EC 2.4 ph 6.2 -6.6

He is using allmix and that IMHO is the cause of trouble+extra feeding didnt help at all. I would transplant your plants to Light mix.

ray

I think your correct!
Flush, no need to re-pot in my opinion. In the beginning of life the plants don't need much food at all. Now they are getting to the point when they NEED to eat! that's why they are having trouble taking just what they need. Too much salt dries out the leaves. Osmosis is working against your growth.
You just need less food in your mix! Feeding liquids has been unnecessary this young with your mix. So you need to get all the built up and accumulated food from the soil. Give water for a while and see if you start going yellow from lack of nitrogen. If not, then your mix has enough for your present needs. You will probably have to give weak food until you start flowering. Make Sure your using the correct nutes! I have Never had to go above 50% of the recommended strength of the fertilizers for my vegetative growth!
I have Rarely had to use above 33% strength on MOST of my vegging plants.
Just something to think about, and don't forget that I do coco, not dirt.
SO, Flush the pots and wait and see! Time will tell

 

[rfhead]

I think your correct!
Flush, no need to re-pot in my opinion. In the beginning of life the plants don't need much food at all. Now they are getting to the point when they NEED to eat! that's why they are having trouble taking just what they need. Too much salt dries out the leaves. Osmosis is working against your growth.
You just need less food in your mix! Feeding liquids has been unnecessary this young with your mix. So you need to get all the built up and accumulated food from the soil. Give water for a while and see if you start going yellow from lack of nitrogen. If not, then your mix has enough for your present needs. You will probably have to give weak food until you start flowering. Make Sure your using the correct nutes! I have Never had to go above 50% of the recommended strength of the fertilizers for my vegetative growth!
I have Rarely had to use above 33% strength on MOST of my vegging plants.
Just something to think about, and don't forget that I do coco, not dirt.
SO, Flush the pots and wait and see! Time will tell

thanks for the replies
i will give that a try and see how i get on :wink: