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HuffAndPuff

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7016057.stm

"The United States is not just one of the world's biggest consumers of marijuana.

According to UN figures, it is also a major producer.

The country's most populous state, California, ranks first for production and consumption, and local authorities are fighting a constant battle to eradicate marijuana crops.


That battle does not just take place on farms or in private houses - it has moved onto public land and into national parks.

Captain Kevin Mayer is one of six Forest Service guards working in the Sierra National Forest, a nature reserve in California.He is not the typical-looking gamekeeper - he carries an automatic rifle and spends the day patrolling the reserve looking for marijuana crops.

Capt Mayer is convinced that the amount of marijuana being planted in the Sierra National Forest is increasing.

"I think we will see more crops in the future. They will expand along the eastern coast of the US and towards the border with Canada," he told the BBC.

"There is a lot of money in this business."

Organised gangs

We are shown an area where cannabis plants were recently destroyed, but the camp occupied by the clandestine growers was still to be cleared up.

Among the piles of rubbish and dried-out cannabis plants were shotgun cartridges and empty herbicide bottles left behind by those who were looking after the illegal crop.

"Somebody was making fresh corn tortillas here," said federal agent Robert Hernandez.California has seen significant changes in marijuana production over the past 10 years.

"It's no longer a handful of people growing a bit of marijuana in the hills for themselves and their friends," said Jackie Long from California's Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement.

"Today, were seeing organised groups, such as members of California's street gangs, and drug-trafficking gangs from Mexico involved."

It is a growing problem for national parks - in 2005, 1.1 million marijuana plants were eradicated from state or federal public lands.

Speaking last year, director of National Drug Control Policy John Walters said tighter border controls had made smuggling drugs into the US from Mexico more precarious.

As a result, Mexican drug cartels were "turning our national parks into centres of international drug production and trafficking", he said.

Crop destruction

The state department's anti-drugs report put the US production of marijuana in 2005 at 10,000 tonnes.

Figures from the California Justice Department show that $6.7bn (£3.36bn) of cannabis crops were eradicated in the state in 2006.

The number of destroyed plants was more than 1.6 million - a five-fold increase since 2001.

The US has pursued the policy of destroying drug crops in Colombia and other Andean countries by spraying them with herbicides.

But in the Sierra National Forest, environmental concerns mean cannabis plants are eradicated by being picked by hand, a labour-intensive task.

"Unfortunately, cannabis crops are next to trees and other plants. If we were to spray them with herbicide, we would kill the forest. So that is simply not done here," Mr Long said."


Ah, where to begin? Our ineffectual border policies? Our asinine prohibitionist, puritanical ban on the ganj? How about how we spend money (ie: tax dollars that could be giving somebodies an edjamukashun) to throw money away? There is literally money growing on trees, and these alleged 'capitalists' wanna throw it away? These are all the things that I was thinking until I got to the last bit, which I put in bold.

This is emblematic of how we do business with the rest of the world. If we don't like it, we'll salt your fields. When did we decide we were the frigging Roman empire? ( A long time ago, I know.) This is a prime example of the golden rule getting a golden shower. It makes me sick, and I am sorry to Bolivia, Columbia, Mexico, et al. I am sorry that we have developed such an Effed up society that we feel the need to be the world's largest consumer of drugs. I am sorry that we are capitalistic enough to send you McDonald's but not enough to, and too cowardly to, regulate your #1 export, so that you might could get out from under the squalor we contribute to you living in. Only in Amerika....


Oh, and whilst this may be borderline political, it's about weed first and foremost, not that I agree AT ALL with the notion of forbidding or preventing topics in the Toker's Den. It's like the people who complain about Howard Stern, or whoever else. If you don't like it, you don't have to read/watch/listen to it. It's not even as if these people are jumping into unrelated threads with any of their political rhetoric/discourse. Someone starts a topic, people can choose to read, or respond, or hover their mouse over the title, read the intro, and decide to pass. Ah, the freedom of choice is a beautiful thing, don't you fellow pot smokers agree?

Stay Safe
HuffAndPuff

[EDIT: Yes I recognize that this was the author's intended response. It's why I love the BBC, they keep me passionate]
 
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VictoryGardener

holy hell
hmm... When you mentioned the Roman Empire.. I'm guessing you were referring to Scippo Africanus ransacking Carthage and salting the fields so the Carthaginians could never live there again? very good historical example there...
 

Blue_adept

Active member
i like the part about not spraying herbicides in our national forests "because it could kill trees, " but were totally cool doing it to other countries. :p


BlueAdept
 

HuffAndPuff

Active member
Ha! VG, you sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Quite literally. Your knowledge of ancient Roman history is impressive. There's a handful of people here I would love to meet up with, burn one, and then wax philisophical with. You are in that handful, my friend. Take care of yourself! I hope we'll all be seeing you around some more. And not just because you agree with me!
Stay Safe,
HuffAndPuff

[EDIT: Blue_Adept, bingo. Hence the bold.]
 
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VictoryGardener

holy hell
I would love to talk history and how we are seeing a lot of it all over again today... sober... trust me- if I do a j, Im not going to do much talking.. ha.. well I will tell you something

I know I've said it before, but I am a firm believer that history does not repeat itself... The problem is that people never change. What do you think about that?
 
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VictoryGardener

holy hell
Blue_adept said:
i like the part about not spraying herbicides in our national forests "because it could kill trees, " but were totally cool doing it to other countries. :p

good point. Another fine example of hypocrisy in the drug war.... it runs rampant like Kudzu.

You can burn it and you can cut its branches but the only way to completely kill it off is to get to its root... :bashhead:

vg
 
the WTO could force the US to accept imported grass because we produce so much domestically. We forced china to accept our cigarettes the same way... all we need is a foreign corporation with the balls to bring it up to the WTO
 

PoppinFresh

Active member
it's just a sign the governments - local and federal - are being overwhelmed. in essence, they are being overgrown! i just hope one day we can seriously get together and plant hundreds of thousands of plants all over the USA. let's see just how much taxpayer money this ignorant gov't is willing to throw at this little "problem" we have! maybe we can force them to break $100 billion a year.. sounds like a plan to me. i'll start gettin seeds ready after my first grow. i still gotta do the whole perpetuation thing ya know! lol

EDIT: hundreds of millions, i mean
 
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Pirate138

the Revenant
Veteran
Jack D Ripper said:
the WTO could force the US to accept imported grass because we produce so much domestically. We forced china to accept our cigarettes the same way... all we need is a foreign corporation with the balls to bring it up to the WTO


the WTO is mostly american controlled anyway along with the IMF. We should eradicate these organizations and then spread the wealth from marijuana profits to the people of the USA and others.
 

Tom Hill

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Veteran
"Unfortunately, cannabis crops are next to trees and other plants. If we were to spray them with herbicide, we would kill the forest. So that is simply not done here,"

For the hillbilly record, secret, illegal, government biological warfare against cannabis farmers is still very much alive in Northern California.
 

Tom Hill

Well-known member
Veteran
When Camp began in '83, they had no clue about the harvest date of cannabis. These fools came out in May & killed it all. Growers simply replanted, lol..A couple of years later, the feds started dousing the earth with this orange substance, & those holes were left ruined for years. We have video of low flying crop dusters releasing white clouds of dust resulting in fusarium outbreaks ruining neighborhoods for years. Here is a typical example ('07) of very questionable shit-

" JULY 24, Tuesday
@ 11 am: near HELICOPTER LANDING AREA of downtown Covelo, friends of caller found plants wilted with white powder on them. White powder also dusted top of pond for animals, were worried it was poison so they drained it.Caller said she also saw HALIBURTON CONVOY on HWY 101, and that it was drilling equipment for mining."

Personally, I've seen these fat assed clowns in white labcoats accompanying Camp exercises quite frequently stumbling down hillsides with their polished loafers & briefcases. Somethings fishy no doubt.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
Veteran
Isn't it great that our government will drop deadly pesticides on helpless women,children and old people in 3rd world countries, spray private land in NorCal,but not want to pollute our national forests. Since when were our trees worth more than the lives of poor people in a foreign country? I guess that, since they bribe foreign leaders to let us kill their folks, it is O.K. We don't have to worry about their forests, but our politicians might lose a vote or 2 in screwing up our forests.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
Veteran
Right! Ask some of the Viet Nam vets how benign Agent Orange is. The government is still denying many of the claims from poisoning their own soldiers. Such is the gratitude of politicians and governments!
 
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