Sir_Stickybuds
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i'm still having the complete opposite results but to each their own, my bucket is killin my bucquet
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Hempybucket/bucquet test
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Dalaihempy
Hi all interesting post i personally don't mind people trying new things with my method the only time i get pist is when people say hempy sed this and i have not and or try and say there spin on things is better than my formula the reason why i get pist off is not because they are doing it different or trying something different its because it has caused people to have massive falure and there plants/grows failing and then they try and blame me for it.
The hempy bucket is not perlite/vermic alone it can be perlite/vermic or 100% perlite or clay rocks or coco or coco/perlite basically lots of mediums and medium combinations.
The hempy bucket is basically this you have your top layer of medium then you have your water table basically thats what the rez is basically i mimic nature.
Also i have read a few say perlite wicks well it don't guys perlite does hold some moisture but it floats the reason you water from the top is to allow top layers of the medium to catch nutrient rich water on its way down to the rez that is why your top layer of medium drys look for your selfs the top drys fast perlite has great airation can deal with high temps well and is lite.
Thats why you add the vermic as it absorbs nutrient rich water vermic basically what holds nutrient rich water in the top layers but 100% perlite works well to but a mix with perlite / vermic with hold more than just 100% perlite would.
With a descent size plant the top medium basic the medium not in the rez is sucked dry fast and then the roots in the rez will suck it dry to i have seen plants suck both rez and medium dry in a day and its not unusual for me to feed a plant over a gal a day.
I have my self been wanting to try organics for some time i have thort about it and was planing on doing some experiments my self so i like this the trouble with soil is unless it is well drained your going to have massive probs and you need to have the medium away from the rez dry in short well drained and well airated.
A few on the boards are using coco / perlite mixs and feeding them organic teas there making with great results to.
The thing id like to also bring up is this i vegg my plants for a max of 4 weeks if there a heavy sat hybrid like mangohaze or say supersilver haze i veg for only 2 weeks my plants are huge by the time it comes to harvest.
I don't vegg indicas or heavy indica lines longer than 4 weeks.
Any way getting back to oganic hempys as there called i didn't name the method by the way lol.
The problem is you need to have it well airated and well drained now can you achive this with soil in something like the hempy bucket with out couseing root rot i don't know the trick would be in the soil mix im thinking like adding say perlite or good river sand and making a soil mix that can hold a descent moisture / air ration and a descent nutrient value.
Maybe having a smaller rez say an inch to.
The down side to soil growing is there slow i have been thinking about it a while and what i mite try is this vegg the plants in say 4 lt/1 gal hempy buckets as the plant has grown to a descent size transplant them into soil and go full organic.
The other option would be coco/perlite as a medium only as coco stays quiet moist and by adding the perlite will help with the airation and drainage and useing say something like the new canna range of organic nutrients or other alleged oranic nutrients and or makeing organic teas as others have used.
Good to see your trying something different.
The hempy bucket is not perlite/vermic alone it can be perlite/vermic or 100% perlite or clay rocks or coco or coco/perlite basically lots of mediums and medium combinations.
The hempy bucket is basically this you have your top layer of medium then you have your water table basically thats what the rez is basically i mimic nature.
Also i have read a few say perlite wicks well it don't guys perlite does hold some moisture but it floats the reason you water from the top is to allow top layers of the medium to catch nutrient rich water on its way down to the rez that is why your top layer of medium drys look for your selfs the top drys fast perlite has great airation can deal with high temps well and is lite.
Thats why you add the vermic as it absorbs nutrient rich water vermic basically what holds nutrient rich water in the top layers but 100% perlite works well to but a mix with perlite / vermic with hold more than just 100% perlite would.
With a descent size plant the top medium basic the medium not in the rez is sucked dry fast and then the roots in the rez will suck it dry to i have seen plants suck both rez and medium dry in a day and its not unusual for me to feed a plant over a gal a day.
I have my self been wanting to try organics for some time i have thort about it and was planing on doing some experiments my self so i like this the trouble with soil is unless it is well drained your going to have massive probs and you need to have the medium away from the rez dry in short well drained and well airated.
A few on the boards are using coco / perlite mixs and feeding them organic teas there making with great results to.
The thing id like to also bring up is this i vegg my plants for a max of 4 weeks if there a heavy sat hybrid like mangohaze or say supersilver haze i veg for only 2 weeks my plants are huge by the time it comes to harvest.
I don't vegg indicas or heavy indica lines longer than 4 weeks.
Any way getting back to oganic hempys as there called i didn't name the method by the way lol.
The problem is you need to have it well airated and well drained now can you achive this with soil in something like the hempy bucket with out couseing root rot i don't know the trick would be in the soil mix im thinking like adding say perlite or good river sand and making a soil mix that can hold a descent moisture / air ration and a descent nutrient value.
Maybe having a smaller rez say an inch to.
The down side to soil growing is there slow i have been thinking about it a while and what i mite try is this vegg the plants in say 4 lt/1 gal hempy buckets as the plant has grown to a descent size transplant them into soil and go full organic.
The other option would be coco/perlite as a medium only as coco stays quiet moist and by adding the perlite will help with the airation and drainage and useing say something like the new canna range of organic nutrients or other alleged oranic nutrients and or makeing organic teas as others have used.
Good to see your trying something different.
hempybucquet
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Dalaihempy said:
Hi Hempy,
How cool, I have been able to thank Dr Bud directly for sharing his method, and now I get to do the same to you! Thank you so much for taking the time to write about your hempybuckets....your bucket idea is what helped me get my first grow accomplished!
You are right about the soil layer and drainage. I add perlite (1/3rd by volume) to my soil and make sure the perlite layer extends at least an inch beyond the drainage hole. That makes sure that the soil layer is never "feet wet" in the bucket.
Just experienced an extremely rainy spell with the hurricane, and got out to my outdoor site to see what the damage was. The pots were all full, but the plants are not looking over watered.
In this test, the addition of soil really made a difference in plant size and health. Sir_stickybuds is seeing the opposite, so I am wondering if the nutes are to blame. Not a hydro mix, so perhaps they need the micro herd in the soil to become available to the plant. I have 1/2 a bottle of GH floronova someplace, I will have to dig it out and try the experiment again. If the no soil pot outperforms, we would know its the nutes NOT the pot construction.
These little budlets are fun to experiment with. They are easy come easy go so if I kill one off its not a big deal. Gives me something fun to play with while I wait for the next wave of females to finish flowering.
If you're doing a side by side I think you need to do more than just use two clones from the same plant. I've got three clones going right now, same plant, but they're all different, because one might not have rooted as much before transplanting, one just isn't as vigorous, and one is looking amazing.
If you're doing a side by side you really need to have a good selection of clones and choose the two that are most similar. If I had done different things with the three clones I could've attributed the problems to anything that was different between the three, but they've all had the exact same treatment. One had some root breakage during the transplant, but I couldn't tell you which it was.
How were your clones before transplant, because that could have a serious affect on the outcome.
Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great test, but the thought just occured to me when I was looking at my plants and saw there was a big difference in the amount of side growth and the overall maturity of the plant. This is why I'm trying hempy buckets out instead of my drip setup, I want the roots to have as much room as possible because if you want your plant to be happy, the roots need to be happy. I can only fit four 1 gallon containers at the most for flowering with my drip, but I can fit three 3 gallon containers if I do hempy style.
If you're doing a side by side you really need to have a good selection of clones and choose the two that are most similar. If I had done different things with the three clones I could've attributed the problems to anything that was different between the three, but they've all had the exact same treatment. One had some root breakage during the transplant, but I couldn't tell you which it was.
How were your clones before transplant, because that could have a serious affect on the outcome.
Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great test, but the thought just occured to me when I was looking at my plants and saw there was a big difference in the amount of side growth and the overall maturity of the plant. This is why I'm trying hempy buckets out instead of my drip setup, I want the roots to have as much room as possible because if you want your plant to be happy, the roots need to be happy. I can only fit four 1 gallon containers at the most for flowering with my drip, but I can fit three 3 gallon containers if I do hempy style.
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green member
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sweet thread. i wasn't expecting that reply from hempy. awesome!
hempybucquet
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bigd21 said:
I watered them at the same time. I was surprised to find that the pure perlite/vermiculite bucket seemed to dry out slower, but figured that was due to the difference in plant size & leaf surface area.
thanks for the replies your experiment has taught me alot, but one final question did you notice any negatives to using clear containers? I see that Dr bud does it also, but it obvioulsy allows light to the roots and the res, just wondering if I need to wrap my cntainers in duct tape
hempybucquet
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Autopsy photos
Autopsy photos
Here are the final shots from the two test plants. You can see how much more root mass I got from the soil hybrid. The soil layer was totally loaded with tiny roots. It was like peat moss, totally engulfed. The perlite layer was loaded with white stringy water roots. Both plants looked healthy and showed no signs of being out of balance nute wise. The clear bottles did not seem to affect the plants at all. The soil less pot had algae all over the surface of the perlite, but none inside and it did not seem to cause any problems.
I have a couple of clones rooting in hybrid pots. Will update in a week or two once they get started and then track them through flowering.
Autopsy photos
Here are the final shots from the two test plants. You can see how much more root mass I got from the soil hybrid. The soil layer was totally loaded with tiny roots. It was like peat moss, totally engulfed. The perlite layer was loaded with white stringy water roots. Both plants looked healthy and showed no signs of being out of balance nute wise. The clear bottles did not seem to affect the plants at all. The soil less pot had algae all over the surface of the perlite, but none inside and it did not seem to cause any problems.
I have a couple of clones rooting in hybrid pots. Will update in a week or two once they get started and then track them through flowering.
Sir_Stickybuds
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just a note, on my regular hempy i just threw a layer of pure fine vermiculite over the top of the pot, no algae
BigBlack81
Member
hempybucquet said:Hmm I posted a reply earlier. WTF?
The soil is organic potting soil from a whole foods. "coast of maine" brand. I just added 1/3rd perlite and after mixing moistened it with molasses water to get the micro herd going. Gave it a week to cook and started using it.
When you say you gave it a week to cook, do you mean you just put it in a dark cool covered place and let it sit?
Also, I'm so wanting to do a straight from clone with this but when transplanting a clone from your cloner (Fab tutorial for that cloner, BTW! You're a champ!
) would you need to put it in the cup at the coir level and then fill with soil mix or could you put the clone all the way down at the perlite level and then fill?Finally, I'm wanting to do a modification where I make the bottles semi-reusable by replacing the perlite at the bottom with very small lava rock chips and watering from the tray method using small rubbermaids to hold the res and netcups to support the bottles. Beyond aeration issues which I think I've worked out, would I be better off using organic top dress nutes and PH water or could I use a true hydro nute system like the AN line even though I'm using soil in the top layer?
Thank you for any help you can give in this matter and I hope to have a thread soon where I can show you where this necessary research is being driven forward. 420.
hempybucquet
Member
BigBlack81 said:
I transplant on top of the perlite and coir layers. The coir acts as a filter and helps keep the soil and nute particles away from the water rez area. You want all soil to stay above that layer.
I think you could go either way. However, the point of this is to be able to use organics top dressed then ph water. If you would rather use a true hydro nute then I would suggest running a traditional soil-less hempybucket.
Let us know how it turns out!
The test isn't fair.
The hydroponic bucket is underfed.
And until you straighten out your deal this test results are a null. The fact the pure hydro plant made it is testimony to the nutrients in the ghetto fert mix, but the 'comparison test' is a wash.
When you feed the Hydroponic bucket correctly then you'll have run a test.
The hydroponic bucket is underfed.
And until you straighten out your deal this test results are a null. The fact the pure hydro plant made it is testimony to the nutrients in the ghetto fert mix, but the 'comparison test' is a wash.
When you feed the Hydroponic bucket correctly then you'll have run a test.
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BigBlack81
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Actually, dude, hydro can be done with soil nutes and/or hydro nutes. Hydroponics is about the method of growing as much as the nutes. Organic soil and simple wick systems have been used in Holland for years, hence why I asked the questions in my post.
It might not be active hydro but it qualifies under the hydro method. Read the Bible before making such claims.
It might not be active hydro but it qualifies under the hydro method. Read the Bible before making such claims.
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JackKerouac
Cannabis said:
The hydro plant is way lighter meaning it wasn't receiving enough nutes.
I wouldn't say the test is null. This pretty much just showed that both methods work.
Why is it that there is always somebody coming around hating on somebody's work? Good ol Hempbucquet here is just doing something for others to learn from and if it's such a problem about the nutes then run your own test and prove him to be fraudulent but without your own test going why bother to come hate Canabis??? I think your test is going fine bro keep up the work Hempy 
Peep my bagseed getting purple in it! I think it is the lost purple bagseed I was looking for
Peep my bagseed getting purple in it! I think it is the lost purple bagseed I was looking for
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Orga_Nerd
Word.Thundurkel said:Why is it that there is always somebody coming around hating on somebody's work? Good ol Hempbucquet here is just doing something for others to learn from and if it's such a problem about the nutes then run your own test and prove him to be fraudulent but without your own test going why bother to come hate Canabis??? I think your test is going fine bro keep up the work Hempy
Peep my bagseed getting purple in it! I think it is the lost purple bagseed I was looking for
people dont know how to put things nicely
