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Hempy buckets outside?

Cannabis

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Oh HECK yea. Nearly all my hempy buckets are done outside.

The buckets will turn over, I tie off the bucket to something handy. I put them in detergent jugs, five gallon buckets, whatever I have around.

I measure my root zone temps regularly and they're all the time in the 80s, 90s, etc.

They're bulletproof in a lot of ways.
 
I was thinking 2 liter soda bottles? and maybe i just put em in a greenhouse so the dont blow over from the wind. then just prop em up so they dont get too heavy?
 

pinkus

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If it rains to much yer fuct :/, unless you don't use the outter bucket. It's worth doing if you can get to them in a heavy rain.

If you do use them outside and it rains with the outer bucket in place they will be floated out of the container... yes I have had it happen lol
 

Cannabis

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Prolly need to put a flood hole on the outside container.

I just pulled two that were in 5 gallon buckets outside. They weren't Hempy certified by the Dahlai Hempself (all rise: ... you may be seated) because I'm a guy whose interest is in passive hydroponic growing, and Hempy buckets are within this realm; but fail not knowing, the Dahlai Hempself inspired all my attempts - all have been highly successful - at passive hydroponic growing.

What I'm interested in, is hydroponics for hydroponics' sake, because pot grows, in any standard growth regime for plants, and once a fella's into either taking cuttings off his own mother plant or, simply making a nice long bud full of feminized seeds to encapsulate a cutting's genetics that way, there comes a point ya see, when ya realize, that it really was true, what all those people said when we were all growing pot guerilla, not just some of us - it'll grow like grass if ya give it half a chance.

So, here's what my personal bag is. I dunno if most of you guys are aware or even vaguely interested in it, but there's another side of hydroponics, that isn't n.e.a.r.l.y and I mean nearly, as complicated.

See there are some water soluble fertilizers that give ya a spectrum of micronutrients and trace elements that compares to, your classic, standard, high dollar liquid or powdered hydroponic nutrients.

In the long haul when you start farming, you find out that, it shakes out, like this: if you dose your standard, what's referred to as 'water soluble' boutique fertilizers like Gro Mor and Miracle Gro, with some epsoms' salt, and some calcium nitrate,

as long as your potting medium has a lot of fine sand or crushed gravel dust in it,

it'll grow just like standard hydroponic fertilizer. It's not the super duper very-berry best, but I don't have to care about that, because if I can grow very easily and nearly free, and better still, by just grabbing off the shelf stuff for 9/10ths of it all, then fine.

Now in my case I am all the time cycling different fertilizer regimes through different strains to see how they handle them.

From aeroponics to Hempies, I build what I want, I run it, I cripple it, I run it, I restore or alter it, I run it, I draw conclusions.

So in the case of the outdoor Hempies I just pulled, there weren't but two so no big deal.

What I did was make up an old style standard Hempy perlite/vermiculite mix. I recommend most people simply do what I think Hempy does himself nowadays and run coco but I still have perlite and vermiculite.

Sometimes on this set, I ran General Hydroponics Flora Nova bloom, and I shot that with a little potassium nitrate in the form of stump remover for awhile.

It greens em up, it's not really necessary.

Then for awhile, I ran them on other stuff.

One of the things I run in them is ... well, yeah, I do. Human piss.

Turns out, in WW2 when the German nation overran the lowlands dutch, they also scooped up anything that looked like it could be jammed down a cannon and shot out the end, including every industrial chemical, and agricultural fertilizer there was, to be found, and looted.

Somehow or other, they at that time pioneered some kind of program where they took human urine and made it into fertilizer.

My game in real life's Electronic Engineering; so reverse engineering of exceptionally complicated things down into the absolutely least complicated, is a hobby of mine. It makes life seem more well rounded, to do this to things.

So these Dutch they figured out human piss grows all the higher plants, and very well, at that. Equal, to regular ferts, in dirt. It's so good, it works hydroponically, too.
Good job and all that but what about the smell, and disease, and all that - uh if you'll excuse the expression - shit?

Well, here's rule one: no solids, fool. Ok? It's just a fact of real animal life, that in a human animal, urine, has been exposed to a sterilization process that makes it come out of you, even if you're infected with something,
sterile.
Bullshit you say. I don't blame yas. But, turns out, it's true.
Now other animals, I dunno.
If you've got the clap or something else you deserve for sticking what you shouldn't where you shouldn't due to ignorance over the virological and bacteriological fundamentals, I can tell ya that since your sex tube's your wet tubes, you prolly ought to wash your hands before ya eat.

And change hobbies.

But if you're a standard Joe or Jane, it turns out, your pee is sterile when it leaves ya but not your solids. They're loaded with germs. Never use human waste solids. Not ever.

Anyway turns out, there's another darn near hilarious turn to all this. The type of nitrogen that's in urine, that plants usually have to have some kind of bacteria convert it?

Turns out pot can use the stuff right out of the end of your chingus,
if ya dilute it ten to one or so. And grow like bamb'Freakin'boo.

So I had these two hempy buckets with some commercial weed in em outside. It dries off here in the summer and there's not too much in the afternoon thunderstorms cause there's a ridge between here and the open ocean 100 miles away that kicks the air up and the storms, happen past, where I live, on the high side of some MORE hills further inland.

So I have to spray every day with a yard sprinkler on a timer or the yard goes yellow. In the summer time that's quite a bit of water.

I stood the two Hempies outside, with yet another twist.

Ya know how I told ya that if ya use some gravel dust or chips, or some fine sand, and the rest of your cheap-o regime is there, the plants will grow fine?

Well, the two plants I put into the five gallon Hempies, were in a very, VERY sandy mixture of some fine sand I found and about 20% garden soil. This mix is what the plants initially started out in,

and I punched holes all over the two liter bottles I had them in.

The roots grew out of course and each day you see, when the sprinkler came on, it washed down the stems and leaves into the perlite and vermiculite, and the tap water would drizzle right down into the center of that bottle wetting the roots. The roots over time, dissolve and consume some of that soil while the vast majority of the growth, comes from me pouring 1200 or so ppm hydroponic ferts or human piss around in the vermiculite.

Now - these things were out in some pretty prodigious heat for the roots to be at. I regularly measured 80s and 90s down inside the center there, and yet, they did okay.

They were FAR from pampered. They did okay, one of them threw about five ounces after being harassed and harried all summer long, having been put out late, the other one didn't do too well, because I kept it between flowering and growth for a long time, f***g it up. I had my son and daughter in law move in and I was constantly moving the plants around trying to keep them from effing something up. Kicking em over, letting their dog go crazy etc.

So my space was cramped, and I just took a big chunk of expanded metal and threw onto the second one in an enforced scrog so the neighbors wouldn't see it out there in the yard.

The two plants growing large, wasn't really ever an option... so I had the freedom to just milk it.



Oh - one last thing I noticed about the growing in the human piss.

I have done it before and I found out then, that pot plants will live like kings and queens on 10:1 water and human piss.

But in a Hempy remember you don't even bother with checking pH, which I didn't, and I know my well water's not very good -

but I discovered another fact, when I harvested the two plants. Each time I did it, I'd just put some of the piss ferts in a day or so , maybe two days, before.

It ought to smell like piss right?

Well, it's funny you should say that because that's what I figured too: but, that it would be diluted, so a quick swish with the hose, and gone.

I pulled the first one and there was no odor at all. I mean like, I pulled out a handful of the mix, wet, in my hand, and held it up to my nose, on a warm afternoon, and it smelled like... clean aquarium water. WTF over?

Well, my stepmom had a pet shop. And I learned all about that bacteria that change nitrites and urea to nitRATEs which plants eat and fish tolerate well.

Turns out, and I'm reporting this so when other people see it happen, nobody claims it was Magic,

that the bacteria which populate those big drizzle type fish filters? The simply drizzle the fish water with the ammonia and the other stuff in it from fish waste,

over a synthetic medium, they keep, relatively, moist: and the bacteria, do their own thing.

Well it seems the same thing was happening in the five gallon Hempy buckets I was dosing with piss. The capillary action of the perlite/vermiculite, kept the entire column pretty moist. And, without there being anything to stop it from happening, the bacteria seem to have simply colonized onto the perlite and vermiculite and feeding on the urine, converted it to standard nitrates, because I'm tellin ya, I pulled BOTH those plants, on WARM days, where if there was ANY odor of piss I'd have noticed.

I stuck my head DOWN INSIDE of a five gallon bucket, the second plant, and AGAIN: no odor.

Now that human piss had been run up to about a thousand parts per million and just for voodoo and good luck's sake, I was tossing in a cap full of Flora Nova. But into five gallons of water that disappeared pretty fast. There's no question it was the piss making up the VAST majority of the ppms and the plants did just fine.

So:

Yeah they work great outside.
Yeah they are pretty bulletproof,
Yeah they will grow pot darn near if ya throw an old shoe in there - not quite, you can't just use dirt ferts -

Yeah I've grown in everything from little red party cups to one gallon laundry detergent bottles to five gallon buckets,

OUTSIDE, in all KINDS of weather and

yeah, they're the bag.

Hempy buckets are the real deal.
And I mean in no uncertain terms.

You can do all KINDS of stuff with those things.

You've got to provide the nutrition to grow hydroponically, one way or the other.

But claims you need magic mud and hydroponic hysteria aren't, really, completely, true.
You don't.

It helps a lot, and I always keep some hydroponic ferts around because since again, half or more of my growing's done without them, It's a go-to option if I need it.


If ya didn't see it said here first, ya saw it said here lately: you can grow in a Hempy Bucket FERTILIZER FREE if you use human piss, and the perlite/vermiculite mix, will stay so moist it supports the standard bacteria that colonize those drizzle type aquarium filters, and the bacteria convert the piss to standard, organic style fertilizer, just like they would do to fish ammonia and waste in an aquarium.

When I smelled of that perlite vermiculite mix, there was some of that piss fertilizer mix in the bottom and I swished it around and breathed in deep and I smelled: CLEAN AQUARIUM water smell.
 

Cannabis

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It needs to be noted this isn't identical to pouring, standard organic nutrients through perlite. The urine is utterly liquid from the git and it doesn't have particles however minute, to fill and perhaps eventually clog the capillary pores of perlite.

I feel absolutely certain it's more than possible to grow the - well, grow the uh.. crap out of some weed just using your classic, bag-n-soak, or tea style, organics, I just never have done that, because I don't like standard organic growing so much.

I don't dislike anything about it as a class of growing but my hobby, what I am trying to do, is create nearly utterly trackless hydroponic growing for the person who has the time and space to grow but needs if possible to leave zero footprint around the house, that some kind of knowledgeable hydroponic activity's going on.

I grew up in a very harsh pot law state and am constantly trying to find ways to free those who live under that evil, to grow their own pot so they don't have to be stuck between profiteering dope slingers and profiteering government employees both trying to use them for anything they can get.
 

Cannabis

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It's of some benefit to have solids present in organic growin of course and I know this thread's not really on that, but if you are gonna grow outside, one day you're prolly gonna wonder, "I wish I knew how to make this a hydro operation, but not worry with all the extra containers and the labels and all that,

for people to see,
for people to take your money,
for a lot of reasons.

I think, If I was going to do a fully organic Hempy, what I'd do is arrange in one side of the thing, for there to be a column of pure sand: like in say a four inch pipe, or somehow, some sand kept separate from the perlite or coco.

Then what you could do, is pour the organic mixture complete with it's particulates, down through that sand column were they would of course be filtered, for the dosed water to emerge down in the bottom couple of inches.

Yet another concept might be, to actually make a tube of fiberglass window screen, or - seriously - even a tube sock filled with sand, so the plant's roots, can get in there and dissolve those solids, and even pick up some silica from the sand as well as perhaps other nutrients,

picking up nutrition there, and keeping your full column of area available for root growth, active in sustaining the plant at high rates as possible for the type growing you're doing.

Just saying man; a stoned ramble on farming.

PS.
When I lived in Arizona, I had some plants in one gallon laundry detergent jugs, the kind with the handles, and the big lid on top. Turns out, you grab a pair of pliers or whatever and pull that pour spout out, and you've got a kinda badass hempy container. They have the little handles and are a gallon apiece, and that much perlite weighs next to nothing.

I had those out in the afternoon rains, during summer thunderstorms, and they always did super. I had to always prop something against them so they didn't turn over though, after they got a few ounces of leaves and bud waving around up on top. My evil, hillbilly landlady at the time found those out in a pile of lumber amid some weeds, and although she smoked pot she freaked out and told me to throw them out, and I did. They weren't very far along in flower at all, and I didn't keep them to smoke.

I just went out to the shed where I had the one plant drying, it looks like it's gonna make about 5 ounces I guess.

I grew some not-quite-so-commercial Super Silver Haze outside in Hempy buckets last summer, they did well, too.
 
I Have got to say. when i first started reading this. I started to litterally laugh, and then i realized you were serious. and then i learned things today. I really appreciate you. Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this cannabis :) Keep it up and share. Im about to start my first hempy project outside :) well... in a greenhouse... so sort of outside
 

indianajones

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2L is too small of a container for outside, it will require watering several times per day and would be way too rootbound by the end of the season.
 

Cannabis

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Agreed Indiana it'll be drinking water so fast it'll dry in an afternoon under some circumstances where there's low humidity and lotsa drying winds to carry water from the leaves. Heat, obviously.
 
They are doing 100% better than they did inside. They are looking great! They are in the greenhouse and moving right along. should be done soonish i think.

Also for all you naysayers. I water every 3 days.
 

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aridbud

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They are doing 100% better than they did inside. They are looking great! They are in the greenhouse and moving right along. should be done soonish i think.

Also for all you naysayers. I water every 3 days.

Are they not root bound? Next time, go for larger containers....bigger yield, more branch lateral shoot growth.

You'll notice the breadth or girth of your plant is similar to the circumference of your pot. Ie: not much lateral side branching. The only way it has to grow is vertical.

I did tomatoes last year in 7 gallon outer container, 5 gallon interior al fresco (outside)....grew like a jungle!!!! Experiment worked to try on cann this year....aside from seeding grows.
 
the thing is. im 100% happy with how this turned out. I <3 pop sooo much. I drink alot of it. I have a way of reusing the containers and not feeling so bad about filling a landfill. I dont understand why everyone is insistent on me putting them in larger containers. If i wanted them in 5 gallon buckets i would do it. I have plenty of buckets around. I wanted to try a experiment. And i can tell you from what i have experienced IT WAS GREAT! also, I am painting the next set of 2 litres for the next go around... I purposefully flipped them into flower when they were 6 inches tall by the way. the fact that they have ANY side branching is amazing.
 

Cannabis

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So lollipopping them as soon as they go in then, huh. Cool. Good idea I've considered different ways and funny thing is i drink a lotta pop and it didn't occur to me yet.. I gotta start some soon maybe i'll run some small lollipop style ones

later
 

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