Hempy Bucket Basic Questions

[Dalaihempy]

Hi assBackwards well as my spelling suxs i thort to just copy and paste it but the fact remains you sed organics dont brake down yet they do fact is organics need to brake down at a micro level before plants can take them up from there roots yet you say no.

I also sed salts and minerals used in hydro nutrients are found in nature yet you say
The biggest problem with hydro is that growers are Locked In to the absurd prices and promotional "hoo-doo" of the major Hydro suppliers. Having to constantly defy nature wich is complet bullshit.


For your infomation Assbackwards the person i had a long talk with about hydro vs organic hydro is a guy that has majors in Agriculture, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics to name a few has many books and started a hydroponic research and development company in the late 60s so stop acting like you have a clue he told me what i posted no organic nutrient on the market for hydro can compet with normal hydro nutrients as organics need to brake down at a micro level before plants cant take them up as food wich you sed no.

The only true certifide organic nutrient is biocanna from canna wich is infact not realy for hydro but it can be used but not even close to hydro nutrients wich i have many emails from canna who i emailed them about it as some hydro companys that are selling it and are saying it is infact for hydro.

You want to grow in soil or organics fine no probs but dont come in here and act like you are better than any other person or have all the answears becouse you dont you seam to remind me of some one you dont have a nest by chance and were 1 of the 3birds by chance lol.

Ow and yes my spelling suxs no secret but every one can understand it the only time i get it thrown in my face is when some ass hole gets into an argument with me.

Its ass holes like you that realy spoil these sites all im here to do is help and pass on any info i can to help out other growers my pics dont lie i mite not spell to well but i can grow cannabis and i do it well thort thats what matterd here maybe im wrong.


Take cear Assbackwards.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Heres part of a replie i got back from canna Assbackwards they wrong also.




Technically with any 100% organic/vegan nutrient you can only use these in soil as they need medium for complete breakdown and availability to the plants. Now our products with the refinement of vegetables and oils, we’ve been able to speed up the process but still truly feel you need a soil medium for best results.


So we don’t condone this use of our Bio line in traditional hydroponics set-ups due to the clogging and in our minds the full effects of organics will not be fully utilized unless there is a soil medium.

There wrong to ha.

 

[Bass Akwards]

Onward & Upward

Onward & Upward

Whether his spelling is the result of a learning disability, a lack of formal education, lousy keyboard skills, or a deliberate facade ( which is possible ), "Hempy" has made one thing crystal clear:

You can make something work, without knowing how, or why it works.

If he knew, and could articulate it, he would have done so.

Instead, he resorts to a quick cut & paste from a hydro sales site.

Even with the best of intentions, he's way over his head.

Letting the community know what works is one thing, attempting to explain the "Why" of that experience, from the back of a bottle, is folly.

It's all well and good to consult with academia.

( Been there, done that, still do. )

The question to ask Hempys' multi-degreed expert is this:

How long did your "hydro consulting company" manage to stay afloat?

 

[Dalaihempy]

Organic nutrients do not "brake down".

They don't really even "break" down.

Rather, on a continuous basis, bacteria and fungus growing on the roots metabolize soil constituents and make nutrients available. There's no time gap where nutrients aren't available.

Technically with any 100% organic/vegan nutrient you can only use these in soil as they need medium for complete breakdown and availability to the plants. Now our products with the refinement of vegetables and oils, we’ve been able to speed up the process but still truly feel you need a soil medium for best results.


Your Rong.

Whether his spelling is the result of a learning disability, a lack of formal education, lousy keyboard skills, or a deliberate facade ( which is possible ), "Hempy" has made one thing crystal clear:

You can make something work, without knowing how, or why it works.

If he knew, and could articulate it, he would have done so.

Instead, he resorts to a quick cut & paste from a hydro sales site.

Even with the best of intentions, he's way over his head.

Letting the community know what works is one thing, attempting to explain the "Why" of that experience, from the back of a bottle, is folly.

It's all well and good to consult with academia.

( Been there, done that, still do. )

The question to ask Hempys' multi-degreed expert is this:

How long did your "hydro consulting company" manage to stay afloat?

You know assbackwards i find people like you a waste of energy you have not answeard or tryed to explane why you sed organics dont need to brake down before the plants can take them up when infact they do.

You can try and use my spelling to attack me thats fine but your the one looking like a low life and an ass hole not me and im sure your 1 of the king or queens of copy and paste the 3birds.

As for my bucket idear i do know how it works i spent a few years experementing on shapes sizes rez sizes and so on on top of that of late i tryed full organics in the bucket to see after months of researching i selected 2 fully organic nutrients one was biocanna 2 was a localy made nutrient for soil i used coco and a little perlite as coco mimics soil yet the resolts were shit nothing even came close to wat you would of got useing hydro nutrients there the facts.

How many growers have you helped assbawards ? I have helped many.

I went to school did an aprentiship and more some of the smartest people on this planet cant spell research it smart ass even einstein couldnt spell.

The question to ask Hempys' multi-degreed expert is this:

How long did your "hydro consulting company" manage to stay afloat?

I dont have a hydro company never worked in one or am i a multi-degreed expert infact im just a guy that loves cannabis and loves to grow cannabis i think out side the square and educated my self on cannabis by growing hands on and experementing unlike you assbackwards i dont pretent to know it all but i know bullshit wen i see it.

Im done with you assbackwards your a wasted effert you dont have a clue your just one more pc worrior that loves stroking there ego and has a need to look importent that will often do it other peoples expence.


Ps My source of info here on the organic nutrients needing to brake down at a micro level before the plants can use them are 2 pepole is 1/ is a guy that has majors in Agriculture, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics to name a few has many books and started a hydroponic research and development company in the late 60s and still has ....2/ is one of the head guys at canna.




Hands assbawards a life jacket as it looks to me like your sinking.

 

[Bass Akwards]

Spare me your whining, little boy.

If you have a gripe with The 3LB's, that's just tough.

Their "bacteria soup" rant makes no more sense than your hydro hoo-doo.

Most of your tantrum seems the result of misreading my previous postings.

Go back and read them again, numb-nuts.

Evidently, your reading comprehension skills are worse than your spelling.

You have my sympathy.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Spare me your whining, little boy.

If you have a gripe with The 3LB's, that's just tough.

Their "bacteria soup" rant makes no more sense than your hydro hoo-doo.

Most of your tantrum seems the result of misreading my previous postings.

Go back and read them again, numb-nuts.

Evidently, your reading comprehension skills are worse than your spelling.

You have my sympathy.

Yea the 3birds there good at plagiarism and a few more things i better not post on now run alog assbawards.


Here is a intresting post i found thort to post it for the rest of you sums it up nicely i thort.




Re: Organic vs Chemical fertilizers
Ulitimately, all fertilizers are chemicals. The primary nutrients, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, and Potassium are chemicals (elements actually) and are provided as chemical salts. At a plant consumption level, these nutrients are taken in as chemicals regardless of the type of delivery.

The perceived advantages of organic fertilizers vs. chemical fertilizers are
- timed release...most organic fertilizers have 'locked-up' the nutrients in organic compounds that require further decomposition to release. It's not always true though. Urine, though organic, is not timed release & there are options for timed release chemical fertilizers
- supplied with organic matter for improved soil composition. Yes, but not always. Blood meal, Bone meal, fish emulsion, urine, etc., don't enhance soil composition, like compost or manure do.
- biggest perceived advantage for me is the smaller environmental footprint. Presumably the organic fertilizers are a byproduct of an organic process and require minimal further processing (& resource consumption) to make usable. Chemical fertilizers usually require mining (potash) or some sort of chemical process. One might argue though, that agricultural processes such as cattle ranching, or hog farming, use a huge amount of resources, including chemical fertilizers used for growing their feed.
- soil nutrient levels...inorganic or chemical fertilizers tend to boost the soil fertility immediately to levels that can be damaging to soil microbes and soil ecology while organic fertilizers 'lock-up' the nutrients and provide incentive (food) to the soil microbes. See my note on timed release though, it applies here as well.

So, it's not very clear cut, is it?

http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24976





here are a few more good links i thort a few mite like reading.

Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education
http://www.sare.org/publications/bsbc/chap3.htm

Article 5-5 Organic Hydro
http://www.simplyhydro.com/organic_hydro.htm

I my self am new to organic hydro have done months of research on it and even did a complet grow useing coco with a little perlite with 2 diffrent organic nutrients my resolts were the hydro nutrients blew them away in all ereas yield speed of growth flavour and over all health of the plants from start to harvest.

I my self love organic growing grew up on the land started growing cannabis useing soil and organics as ferts but fact is for me i have yet to see any organic hydro method that comes close indoors thats fact maybe others have im happy to read any one that has and how they do it.

I think no method of growing is for every one but think theres more a method of growing for every one.

I belive simlicity is key watching and mimicing nature is key also be it indoors wich in reality is what hydro does medium to anchor the plants and nutrients to diliver the nutrients they need for a healthy grow cycle and flowering cycle some people may rubbish hydroponics but reality is it has a importent part to play and does in both agriculture and the hobbist.

 

[Bass Akwards]

"The Hypnotic Splattered Mist Is Slowly Lifting"

Regardless whether the information is self-serving, deliberately obscure, or inconclusive, posting links is the preferred method of discourse when the subject matter is both controversial and scientific.

Thanks for following through in that manner.

 

[Dalaihempy]

"The Hypnotic Splattered Mist Is Slowly Lifting"

Regardless whether the information is self-serving, deliberately obscure, or inconclusive, posting links is the preferred method of discourse when the subject matter is both controversial and scientific.

Thanks for following through in that manner.

You say we a lot 2 of you left right as the other bird fell out of the nest.

Assbackwards your like your organic gardens your full of shit.

You are nasty and your ego is over inflated i can see you makeing friends with this handle also.

Your a waste of time.


Pictures dont lie assbackwards same plant grown in organic hydro and also grown in just hydro as you can see the hydro grown plant looks a lot more healthy and will yield a lot more.

On top of that the organicly grown hydro plant needed more vegg time.

 

[Bass Akwards]

One of the "Autism Spectrum" disorders ...

One of the "Autism Spectrum" disorders ...

You were given an opportunity to let the thread end gracefully.

It would appear you have difficulty recognizing social cues.

When were you first diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome?

You say we a lot 2 of you left right as the other bird fell out of the nest.

This sentence is almost unintelligible.

Read it several times, and then had to guess what you meant.

Do yourself a favor, sign up for that GED program.

 

[Tony Aroma]

Can't We All Just Get Along?

Can't We All Just Get Along?

I see that this thread I started a while back has been revived. But not in a good way.

Not only has the discussion strayed pretty far from answering my original questions, but it has degenerated into personal insults being flung back and forth. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I read something that is insulting or derogatory to an individual, I stop reading. I visit these forums to learn, and that sort of thing doesn't teach me anything (about growing).

My unsolicited words of wisdom: Discuss the topic, not the people discussing the topic. If you disagree with someone, fine. That's why we're here, to listen to legitimate debate. But personal insults are not part of a legitimate debate and make no positive contribution to a discussion. I don't vote for politicians who use these tactics, and I don't read posts by people who do the same.



Let this be a lesson: I made my point without attacking any one personally. It can be done.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Hiya tony i think i did answear your questions the ones you had on page 1 infact and im happy to answear or help you or any one that asks or needs it as i did on page 1 and have since i joined cw first in 2002 but i have a big probleam with smart asses.

I did NOT post here to start an argument but why i posted for was to correct assbackwards on something they sed that was not true now i think i stayed quiet cival i have grown very tierd threw the years of people like them and i think im in my right to replie to some one thats made a comment to me or about me.

Fact is tony i sheard a growing method i my self came up with and still use i expected nothing back for doing so i help many people still years later and do it asking for nothing back but you cant expect me to not correct people wen i infact know what there saying is wrong after all were here to grow mj and try and do it as best we can correct.

 

[Tony Aroma]

Hiya tony i think i did answear your questions the ones you had on page 1 infact and im happy to answear or help you or any one that asks or needs it as i did on page 1 and have since i joined cw first in 2002 but i have a big probleam with smart asses.

I did NOT post here to start an argument but why i posted for was to correct assbackwards on something they sed that was not true now i think i stayed quiet cival i have grown very tierd threw the years of people like them and i think im in my right to replie to some one thats made a comment to me or about me.

Fact is tony i sheard a growing method i my self came up with and still use i expected nothing back for doing so i help many people still years later and do it asking for nothing back but you cant expect me to not correct people wen i infact know what there saying is wrong after all were here to grow mj and try and do it as best we can correct.

Hempy,

I very much appreciate your help, and the help I've received from many others since I've been visiting these forums. Just about everyone here is very generous with their time and knowledge. What I've learned here is priceless.

What I said was not aimed at you, or anyone in particular. Or even just this thread. What happened to this thread happens elsewhere (all too often) on these forums, so what I said was more a general rant. If you got the impression I was telling you not to try to correct what you believe are misstatements of fact, that was not my intention. If I offended you or was out of line, then I apologize.

Having said that, I will repeat my request (my plea) to anyone and everyone, and no one in particular: Please limit your discussions and comments to the facts. And if you can't say something nice about somebody, please don't say anything at all. Thanks.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Its all good tony how is your grow going any way ?.

 

[Tony Aroma]

how is your grow going any way?

Thanks for asking. I have a diary of my current grow here. Today is day 54 of 12/12, so getting close. I'm still doing organic soil, as I've been a little afraid to try something radically different when I'm really just getting the hang of what I'm doing now. I'm finally feeling comfortable enough with my new cabinet (third grow in it) and organics, that next time I want to try a strain with a name (as opposed to bagseed).

 

[guest 77721]

Hey Tony, I've been interested in Hempy Buckets for a while. I'll throw my 2 cents in for what it's worth.

I've been growing in a soiless medium using 2 parts Promix, 1 part Perlite and 1 part Vermiculite. The promix is peat, verm and perl and a bit of dolomite lime.

In soil, the nutrients are stuck to the organic matter that the roots have to be in contact with. There is a chemical exchange between the roots, water and soil to trade the minerals and compounds that the roots take up with water. This exchange takes place best at a pH around 6.3 - 6.8.

In Hydro, the chemical exchange between the roots and the water takes place best between 5.6 and 5.8. The medium plays little or no part in the exchange other than physically supporting the plant.

What's really important is to know your water before getting into Hydro. No everyone can use tap water because of hard water that prevents adjusting the pH low enough. That's why RO filtered water is a must for Hydro.

Peat and Vermiculite have the same properties as soil where they attract and hold nutrients that the roots have to interact with. If you have hard water, then you run organics or hydro nutes keeping the pH between 6.3 and 6.8 just like soil.

Take the same soilless mixture and run the nutes between 5.6 and 5.8 and you've got a Hydro system.

My take on the Hempy Bucket method is that it's a watering system using a soiless mix with Hydro Nutes.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Hey Tony, I've been interested in Hempy Buckets for a while. I'll throw my 2 cents in for what it's worth.

I've been growing in a soiless medium using 2 parts Promix, 1 part Perlite and 1 part Vermiculite. The promix is peat, verm and perl and a bit of dolomite lime.

In soil, the nutrients are stuck to the organic matter that the roots have to be in contact with. There is a chemical exchange between the roots, water and soil to trade the minerals and compounds that the roots take up with water. This exchange takes place best at a pH around 6.3 - 6.8.

In Hydro, the chemical exchange between the roots and the water takes place best between 5.6 and 5.8. The medium plays little or no part in the exchange other than physically supporting the plant.

What's really important is to know your water before getting into Hydro. No everyone can use tap water because of hard water that prevents adjusting the pH low enough. That's why RO filtered water is a must for Hydro.

Peat and Vermiculite have the same properties as soil where they attract and hold nutrients that the roots have to interact with. If you have hard water, then you run organics or hydro nutes keeping the pH between 6.3 and 6.8 just like soil.

Take the same soilless mixture and run the nutes between 5.6 and 5.8 and you've got a Hydro system.

My take on the Hempy Bucket method is that it's a watering system using a soiless mix with Hydro Nutes.

hiya redgreenry the diffrences in hydro and soil growing is in short the plants feed hydro nutrients can take up the nutrients as soon as there feed were organicly grown plants have to have the organics beeing feed to them broken down before they roots can take them up why hydroponicly grown plants will grow much faster.


The prob with useing RO filters is yes it takes out all the bad but it also takes out the good and if any one is needing to use a filter they should also add Cal/Mag back to the water personaly my waters good and most city water you will finds good to but some do need to use water filters if they do they need to re add the Cal/Mag back to the water before you mix with nutrients and feed the plants.


And no the hempy bucket as people named it is not just a had waterying hydro method mate it has a built in rez it has no pumps no timers nothing but a bucket with a hole to set the max level of your internal rez.





hi tony they look healthy mate nice job.

Tony i think growing in pots useing soil is the harder of the 2 if you can do a good job of it in soil as you are then hydro is very simple.

The only time hydro goes bad is becouse of parts failing like pumps so on and if the grower over feeds them in that the grower does not get the mix right basicly in shot they dont follow basic instructions.

There are lots of hydro methods of growing the one you picks is personal me my picks are nft and my method.

 

[BayAreaBully23]

Question???... If clones come in rapid starter plugs instead of rw is it still possible to grow hempy style without stressing the plant?

 

[SlowCalaToker]

Question???... If clones come in rapid starter plugs instead of rw is it still possible to grow hempy style without stressing the plant?

Yes, just bury the plug in the pearlite. Remember to water every day for about a week until the tap root hits your res. Then it's two to three times a week.

 

[BayAreaBully23]

thanks SCT! def adding that to my notes... i was jw cuz some of the clones i see come in rw and rooter plugs and i was kinda confused on what i should do since the pics ive seen all used rw clones

 

[a6grow]

how do i know when the roots have hit the res?