Hemp Russet Mites!! Help?

[DONAJTHEIII]

Mikell dude i have Dr. Bronners and use a couple drops in my neem oil when foliar treating.

please correct me if im not understanding right. You just use straight Dr. bronners with nothing else and handwater into your pots ? if so how many ml per gal ? That would be awesome if i could use it as a preventative hearing your success. Also do you mix it with your nutes dont see why you wouldnt right ?

Also could you post a link of the peppermint oil that you use...also the dosage you use for root drenches. you mix this in with your nutes too ?




AJAE

 

[Mikell]

I'm great at off-topic, let's delve further!

I heard Dr Bronners worked wonders in conjunction with sulfur treatments for outdoor russet mite control.

I guess the peppermint soap would be ideal then?

Believe I've read similar, although I'm pretty hesitant to mix and match.

From my understanding, it will have the strongest action against mites of what Bronners offers. Like neem, it wasen't that effective against aphids. Lavender has mild deterant properties. I haven't used Eucalyptus or Tea Tree, but have read a few reports of both (oil, not soap) having strong acaricidal effect. They rank up with thyme, clove, etc, in terms of phytotoxicity. I haven't experimented with the either soap or oil.

Mikell dude i have Dr. Bronners and use a couple drops in my neem oil when foliar treating.

please correct me if im not understanding right. You just use straight Dr. bronners with nothing else and handwater into your pots ? if so how many ml per gal ? That would be awesome if i could use it as a preventative hearing your success. Also do you mix it with your nutes dont see why you wouldnt right ?

Also could you post a link of the peppermint oil that you use...also the dosage you use for root drenches. you mix this in with your nutes too ?

AJAE

Corrected. I've never used peppermint soap or oil as a root ball drench, only as a foliar treatment for pests. Nor have I mixed it with nutrient solution. Precipitation may be a concern there. I did contact Bronners regarding the effect of 1% concentrations on soil biology (re: foliar run-off). They stated no ill effect, and that it would break down quickly. pH of solution at 1% is a tad high for me to feel comfortable as a drench.

As a foliar preventative.. Lavender, as mentioned above, but I have doubts that the soap concentration used would provide much deterance. Nor do I entirely agree with using broad spectrum products as preventative.

Spinosad is gaining ground as a systemic root drench. One grower here has had good result against TSSM after a study was released a few years ago, and could be used preventatively. I'm unclear on the effect of spinosad on non-target organisms in the soil.

I use Peppermint Supreme from NewDirections. Not directly, restricted by the $100 minimum order, but a local herbal (herbiary?) sources it. They also carry neem as a "carrier oil", at half the price of Ahimsa, Dyna-Gro, etc, with similar concentrations of limonoids.

 

[Bumba Claat]

Is this thread stickied yet, because it should be there is so much great info here if anyone has HRM they need to find this thread I did after someone said I may have them. Very very good discussion much appreciated to all those who have contributed to this one great info from organic control to chemical.

 

[stasis]

I think water rinses just knock them back, I think for eradication you need to alternate sprays and soap rinses. Heat treatment sounds good too if possible for your particular set up.

If you don't beat 'em, they'll beat you. ------- "goin' my way, Mr. Whitefly ?"

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

after hanging out at a lab here in oregon that has voluntarily added alot of them chems to the list used for these bugs i have a new perspective formed by access to new information.
a lot of folks think these are not present in the finished product if done in veg. that is simply not true. oregon hasnt added any of the chems that people use. its an antiquated list with stuff no one uses. they are reading threadsand compiling lists of the chems that the committee that wrote the laws didnt even know about. they have been finding some modern "short half life" pharmaceutical pesticides in the flowers. and especially the wax and oils. in crazy numbers on those too.

 

[stasis]

after hanging out at a lab here in oregon that has voluntarily added alot of them chems to the list used for these bugs i have a new perspective formed by access to new information.
a lot of folks think these are not present in the finished product if done in veg. that is simply not true. oregon hasnt added any of the chems that people use. its an antiquated list with stuff no one uses. they are reading threadsand compiling lists of the chems that the committee that wrote the laws didnt even know about. they have been finding some modern "short half life" pharmaceutical pesticides in the flowers. and especially the wax and oils. in crazy numbers on those too.

"Pharmaceutical Pesticides..?" What does that mean..? Never heard that term before. We operate on facts here. How about some details to back up your irrefutable claims..?

 

[bikhomes]

some more pics for this thread

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

pharmaceutical pesticide is a term i use for systemic or translaminar targeted chems made by chemical engineers at bayer or other similar companies. new school chem pesticides.
as oppoesed the old players everyone in ag knows about and have been around forever. sorry if the term was confusing.

 

[Allendawg]

its a pharmaceutical company that also has an Ag division that makes pesticides An example of that is Bayer! Basically all the pesticides that MJ growers use are old &/or based on 30 year old technology. Ag consultants are licensed by the state, they have to register in each county they operate in, that way dept of Ag etc.. can control who uses what, where, when & how!

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

its a pharmaceutical company that also has an Ag division that makes pesticides An example of that is Bayer! Basically all the pesticides that MJ growers use are old &/or based on 30 year old technology. Ag consultants are licensed by the state, they have to register in each county they operate in, that way dept of Ag etc.. can control who uses what, where, when & how!

people are definately using these new generation pesticides.
kontos forbid pylon eagle flint etc, barely any of them are tested for by most places. i was speaking of eagle and avid in my comment specifically but they are finding others as well.

 

[Allendawg]

So was I!

 

[Ras Mason]

woe, these pics are gettin pretty far down the
no return road.

 

[bikhomes]

i killed the 5 plants where the damage was most noticeable (the ones in the pics). heat treated the rest then treated with asprin and Avid. round two of avid in a couple days, round 3 with forbid.

 

[Ras Mason]

cool.

ikknow there are tons of recipes here.
But avid 3 times in 9 days.
A shot or two pyrethrins and systemic azadirachtin does the trick.
i cured 4 producers very large mother rooms.
And had to get rid of em on every one of the genetics that where given back to me when i started again.
Fuckers.
one

 

[bikhomes]

yep i grabbed a couple pyrethrin bombs and a couple attain tr bombs for follow up and room cleaning. so glad i don't have anything in flower right now, i'd just nuke and pave if so.

 

[Bumba Claat]

yep i grabbed a couple pyrethrin bombs and a couple attain tr bombs for follow up and room cleaning. so glad i don't have anything in flower right now, i'd just nuke and pave if so.

nice job bikhomes these things aren't anything to mess around with! I highly suggest finding an organic spray you can use as preventative spray/measures! So aspirin is used as an immune booster if I have read all of this correct?

 

[Guyute54]

Damn it I got these fuckers. The only place I can think of where they came from is FFOF soil I got from the hydro shop.

Took me a few years to find the keepers I have now. I'm at the point where I don't know if it's best to just start completely over or should I try and battle these things. I know everything in flower is toast only a few that don't look that bad.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

remember that heat treatments are actually quite effective.

 

[Guyute54]

I'm about to find out how effective the heat treatment is. Had my room at 120-130 for a hour plants where really wilted to. Maybe got a little to hot. But after that I sprayed them down real good with Spinosad. Going to repeat those steps in 3 days followed by pyrathin bombs and then if need to hit with some floramite or avid if I can get some here quick enough.

I have had spider mites before and I battled the fucks for about a year before I gave up. So I'm hitting these things as hard as possible.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Damn it I got these fuckers. The only place I can think of where they came from is FFOF soil I got from the hydro shop.

Took me a few years to find the keepers I have now. I'm at the point where I don't know if it's best to just start completely over or should I try and battle these things. I know everything in flower is toast only a few that don't look that bad.

imo
hydro stores are a big culprit for picking up these fuckers, broads and HRMs. I worry epecially CO2 tanks, warn people to wipe them down well with bleach water or iso. Anything from grow stores is suspect. Places other growers hang out are suspect. In places like Cali and Colorado where there are lots of people growing, definitely more of a concern.
the more plants there are (on the large scale), more people doing it, more places that cater to those people and their plants.... the more places you are likely to pick the fuckers up at. Just my 2 cents because HRMs are more specific to cannabis plants than other pests like spider mites (love marigolds), root aphids (live in soil).

Be careful out there, be vigilant. Clean your room regularly, especially in between runs, I use a large atomizer sprayer that nearly (gently) pressure washes everything in the room; light fixtures, floors, walls, ceilings, pots, trays, tables, reservoirs, hoses, reflectix. I spray with bleach water and iso water (not at the same time) mixed with healthy amounts of dishsoap (1-2 tbs per gal).

IF you get them attack from multiple angles; heat, wettable sulfur, forbid, OGBIOWAR (if u can keep grow room 60%+ humidity to keep the BT alive and thriving), iso water (91% @ 1oz per gal), tetrasan, essential oils. From my understanding OGBIOWAR is helpful primarily for the Bacillus Thuringenis Israelisis which is a sub-species of regular BT, more vigorous. BUT the bacteria will not establish and do what you want it to do (kill HRMs & broad mites in this case) if the humidity in the room is under 60%. Tough to do in my area; since i don't have HRMs in my garden (thank god), I feed the BT to my soil instead.