Loose Cannon
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I had some problems recently and this sounds familiar.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=55614
Some of these pics are related to what I'm speaking and a few are not.
LMK if anything looks familiar.
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Hemp Russet Mites!! Help?
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I had some problems recently and this sounds familiar.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=55614
Some of these pics are related to what I'm speaking and a few are not.
LMK if anything looks familiar.
Hey loose my leaves look way different than whatever you got goin on. I am starting a quick thread with some pics. Let me know what you think man
texasnewbgrower
New member
yes I agree they bit the big one.BUT.......where are they coming from???
Damn russet mites
Damn russet mites
I have just found out that I have the russet mites. Was mis diagnosing the problem for quite a while, saw the "taco" leaves and tried switching up ph, adding magnesium, raising humidity,etc. Checked with a scope and never saw the little bastards. Had freshly rooted clones start to act weird on upper growth around 1 to weeks after cutting them the last few batches.
Damn russet mites
I have just found out that I have the russet mites. Was mis diagnosing the problem for quite a while, saw the "taco" leaves and tried switching up ph, adding magnesium, raising humidity,etc. Checked with a scope and never saw the little bastards. Had freshly rooted clones start to act weird on upper growth around 1 to weeks after cutting them the last few batches.
Had avid and organicide on hand and sprayed moms/ dunked clones with those twice three days apart. Ordered forbid and tetrasan and treated the moms and clones with these twice three days apart. Now i have azamax and just did a soil drench and foliar spray on all moms this morning. What are you guys using to view these, any recomendations on scopes?
So I just went to the grow store for more neem, the guy at the store told me he thinks the best approach is a once each of spinosad and azamax per gallon and he says youll never see em again. I have never used either of these products, but this guy swears that this mix will not burn or harm the plants ? has anyone on here tried this ? I bought them both but wanted to see what peeps on here had to say first . Thanks yall
JayTrinity
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organics just burn, all of them do. Organics are just as bad as synthetics.
I used forbid then avid then forbid on 7 footers. never had em again.
But I was 90 days from harvest.
I used forbid then avid then forbid on 7 footers. never had em again.
But I was 90 days from harvest.
nepalese kush
Member
Neem and spinosad work great just make sure you get real neem oil from india not the hydrostore watered down stuff. Both are products that can burn, spinosad is best sprayed right before or after lights/sun is off. Beneficial bugs work best. Make sure the beneficial insects you purchase are not only for the pest you have(id your pest exactly) but also will flourish in the environment your growing in( humidity/temperature/photoperiod). Having beneficials insects living in your garden before pest come is a great way to never have problems (that way you are introducing pests to a population of predators not predators to a population of pests) . Make sure you learn the life cycle(reproduction rate, lifespan, winterizing habits, eating habits) your pest(s) and beneficials insects so you know your predators are eating/reproducing faster than the pests.
Some places to look for more knowledge on the subject would be koppert, planetnatural.com, ed rosenthal: marijuana pest and disease control, or a book called hemp diseases and pests by rob connel clarke, j.m. mcpartland, and d.p. watson three experts will decades of experience.
Some places to look for more knowledge on the subject would be koppert, planetnatural.com, ed rosenthal: marijuana pest and disease control, or a book called hemp diseases and pests by rob connel clarke, j.m. mcpartland, and d.p. watson three experts will decades of experience.
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nepalese kush
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If you do spray make sure you learn the lifecycle of your pest(s) so you can reapply your sprays when the pests offspring are coming back because a lot of the times eggs are not dedtroyed by the first spray because those sprays require the insect to eat them. Also make sure if you are using beneficial insects that your sprays and chemical nutrients (yuck) are compatible for the predators to work efficiently. Using tanglefoot on the stems will prevent soil born pests from crawling onto your plant(a sticky product that can be smeared on foil or paper and wrapped around the stalk) once again use with caution with beneficial insects.
nepalese kush
Member
Another good point to make is that chemcials like avid not only destroy the pest they may or may not destroy the beneficial insects(plenty of research has beeen done to see what pesticides work with what predators). It may weaken the plant and harm the farmer spraying it. If you do not care about your own health it may be important to note that the people consuming the crop (as well as the farmers) children and grandchildren may develope terminal illness like cancer(depending on which pesticides and chemical fertilizers you are using, check labels). If you do not care about yourself please let others know who may care about their health and families. You cannot simply wash these chemicals off spraying in vegative state is bad to!
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JayTrinity
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this is pure BS. Avid, It does not disrupt beneficial insects, mites and pollinators. Neither does Forbid. The deal with synthetics are they are designed to interact with only certain kinds of bugs. I have seen no reports of AVID harming protozoa as they live in the soil bed and you dont actually spray the soil.
Hay not to start a flame war, I talked to agricultural organic farmers and they say when they spray azomax on fruit trees ALL BUGS just rain down, beez, everything dies out.
Did I like the time I used AVID? No I hated it. But now I use AVID day one, and then forbid day 20 something when the plants are clones. There is absolutely no proof when put outside that 120 days later there any AVID left as it was designed to breakdown with the Sun.
These are just the information that I have learned from industrial farmers, and they say they spray FORBID AKA Oberon™ Flowable Insecticide-Miticidehttps://www.bayercropscience.us/products/insecticides/oberon/ So unless your eating organic food and again I was told many organic farmers use what ever they want and its all about money in the end.
PS: iv only used avid twice in my life and FORBID twice, thats not for 2 years thats two times.
I really think a dip every few days when the clone is small with Azomax is the best thing, but still don't be fooled by product labeling, Azomax, neem, all that stuff is Poisson and breathing it in any way is bad..
If you have russet mites on clones just toss them, don't use them as mothers, don't do anything but toss over the compost you cant get rid of russet mits but I did control them and all the cuttings months later developed them they are pure hell.
I was told they are in my soil now and alive on the grasses and vegitation waiting to hatch and so far we have had a veryy mild winter, no frost or hard freez.
I prredict next year to be the worst year ever for bugs, last year was horrid because again, no frost to really knovck them down.
nepalese kush
Member
Beneficial microbes like protozoa also live on the plant surface. According to elaine ingham if you cover the leaves with 70% coverage (of good microbes using compost teas made correctly) their will be no room for bad guys to live on the soil surface with the good microbes.
Check out kisorganics, neemresource.com or buildasoil.com for neem oil from india.
Check out kisorganics, neemresource.com or buildasoil.com for neem oil from india.
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nepalese kush
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Avid is translaminar meaning it penetrates the leaf surface and stores its active ingredients in reseviors under the plant tissue. Pretty sure avid is manufactored for ornimentals....pretty sure it says not for use on vegetables for consumption (except rare cases yuck). If you need more evidence that avid is poison just google avid health risk their is A LOT of information out there. I am not here to debate the health risks of avid but I am interested on posting information on natural farming methods that do work like biological predators or microbes.
phytoseiulus persimilis is great for mites if you humidity is between 70% and 95% and your temperate is 70 f to 90 f (20-30C). Their reproduction stops below 60% humidity. One adult will consume 24 immature spidermites or 30 eggs a day. Then 70% of their food is converted to laying new eggs. They do not enter diapause meaning they are good year round or in both flower and vegative state. One female lays four or five eggs per day.
If you have a lower humidity try neoseiulus californicus or Mesoseiulus longpipes. Make sure you introduce your predators to the right environment for them and that the amount of predators for your space or size of your infestation is considered. Reproduction and lifespan of both predator and prey should be considered.
Usually predatory mites come with a mite species to feed on when delivered so make sure you introduce them to your soil not your plant.
Best of luck
phytoseiulus persimilis is great for mites if you humidity is between 70% and 95% and your temperate is 70 f to 90 f (20-30C). Their reproduction stops below 60% humidity. One adult will consume 24 immature spidermites or 30 eggs a day. Then 70% of their food is converted to laying new eggs. They do not enter diapause meaning they are good year round or in both flower and vegative state. One female lays four or five eggs per day.
If you have a lower humidity try neoseiulus californicus or Mesoseiulus longpipes. Make sure you introduce your predators to the right environment for them and that the amount of predators for your space or size of your infestation is considered. Reproduction and lifespan of both predator and prey should be considered.
Usually predatory mites come with a mite species to feed on when delivered so make sure you introduce them to your soil not your plant.
Best of luck
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nepalese kush
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Make sure you pick the right predator for your pest (different predatory mites for different types of mites).
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nepalese kush
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Mother nature uses lots of insects (example: mites) to break down weak or unhealthy plants so that these plants can refertilize the soil. This is why clearing cut grass off your lawn or raking your oak tree leaves is a bad idea those leaves and grass is mother natures way of using fertilizer(also full of microbes green is usually bacteria dominate and brown fungi).
The cannabis community and sadly are food as well is infested with bad farmers people using chemical pesticides and nutrients and weakening the plant and the microbes trying to defend the plant. Mother nature then decides to send in pests so the plant will die and fertilize the healthy plants.
Common mistakes are using(more like depending) fast release fertilizers organic or not especially nitrogen.
Using organic or chemical nutrients with phosphoric acid as a preservative (almost all your bottled nutrients). - Found that from microbeman's posts and website much appreciated, he tested it with fish hydrosylate and compost tea not on the soil so take that into consideration.
Spraying chemicals (pesticides, fungisides, nutrients, preservatives) on leaf surfaces destroying the microbes and possably beneficial insects trying to protect your plant.
Recieving infested plants from other farmers.
Pests such as mites are everywhere keeping the garden clean is a good defense but keeping your plants, microbes, beneficial insects in a happy healthy environment is even more important. Mother nature seems to do just fine without us lets try and mimic or work with her...I can't say for sure but I am pretty sure she does not have fairies flying around the forest spraying pesticides to save the earth from being overun by insects(although you may find some predators flying around
). Best wishes to everyone
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nepalese kush
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I thought this may help some people...if you google the pesticide or fungicides name followed by msds the products information can be found from the manufactor. For example 'avid msds' reveales that avid is toxic to the reproductive and nerve systems. Forbid is also bad for reproduction both manufactures clearly state for ornimentals NOT vegetables or other foods for human consumption...Many other pesticides say the same (including floramite).
Other tips to keeping mites out of your room:
Quarentine new clones ( keep somewhere seperate from the rest of the clones until considerable time has past and your pretty sure you have no pests).
Remove clothing especially shoes before entering the grow room( have garden clothes thst remain in the garden or farm naked lol).
Keep tools sterile.
Clean equipment before adding it to your garden ( everything, lights, fans, etc).
Inspect plants daily.
Use products like silica, chitin, or plenty of biology to keep plants immune system up.
Adjust your environment to slow mites down or speed predators up(temperature and humidity).
Keep a population of predators (find ones that stay around when pest is gone) in your garden that way if you do recieve a pest they don't stand a chance.
Start from seed if you cannot find clean clones.
Other tips to keeping mites out of your room:
Quarentine new clones ( keep somewhere seperate from the rest of the clones until considerable time has past and your pretty sure you have no pests).
Remove clothing especially shoes before entering the grow room( have garden clothes thst remain in the garden or farm naked lol).
Keep tools sterile.
Clean equipment before adding it to your garden ( everything, lights, fans, etc).
Inspect plants daily.
Use products like silica, chitin, or plenty of biology to keep plants immune system up.
Adjust your environment to slow mites down or speed predators up(temperature and humidity).
Keep a population of predators (find ones that stay around when pest is gone) in your garden that way if you do recieve a pest they don't stand a chance.
Start from seed if you cannot find clean clones.
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nepalese kush
Member
Something else I learned recently if you make butane extracts (or other chemical extracts) you are not only concentrating the thc but the pesticides on/in the plant(not to mention butane is also very unhealthy).
Best of wishes to all
Best of wishes to all
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JayTrinity
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DUDE 
http://www.sudan.cropscience.bayer.com/en/Products/Insecticides/Oberon-SC-240.aspx
No one likes it this way but its happening.
Spiromesifen is Forbid is Oberon is in your food.
We can both research this but the answer is grow your own food where no one can hurt it.
I guarantee organic farms are using this because its so effective and its designed to breakdown in days and not be that detected by Gas Chromatography
http://www.sudan.cropscience.bayer.com/en/Products/Insecticides/Oberon-SC-240.aspx
No one likes it this way but its happening.
Spiromesifen is Forbid is Oberon is in your food.
We can both research this but the answer is grow your own food where no one can hurt it.
I guarantee organic farms are using this because its so effective and its designed to breakdown in days and not be that detected by Gas Chromatography
This whole page makes my brain hurt.
organics just burn, all of them do. Organics are just as bad as synthetics.
Anything in concentration has the potential to burn a plant. Organic does not mean non-toxic or universally safe. As for your next point, that's just baseless malarkey. Organic treatments are not non-toxic, but incomparable to the average toxicity of conventional control.
Another good point to make is that chemcials like avid not only destroy the pest they destroy the beneficisl insects and benefical micro organisms ( bacteria, fungi, protozoa, etc) but it also kills the plant and the farming spraying it.
If Avid killed the plant, why would anyone use it for anything other than a herbicide? As for the farmer, PPE is important, no matter organic or conventional. Every product has safe handling procedures listed with the instructions (that you malign a few posts below). Inhaling DE isn't going to do your lungs any good, despite it's use an organic control.
Direct contact with Avid will effect non-target organisms, but is rapidly degraded by sunlight, and in soil/water. There is no information available that supports your claim that Avid effects microbes.
this is pure BS. Avid, It does not disrupt beneficial insects, mites and pollinators. Neither does Forbid. The deal with synthetics are they are designed to interact with only certain kinds of bugs.
The systemic action of Avid will not effect many non-target organisms, but direct contact will. That is not the deal with synthetics at all, if anything, the majority are broad spectrum.
Azomax, neem, all that stuff is Poisson and breathing it in any way is bad..
Sorry, what? That's utter nonsense.
ps. azamax and he other aza products are just neem oil most like diluted with water and a cool name and sticker so they can charge you more.
Also incorrect. Azamax/azadirachtin products are neem extracts, much more concentrated, and cheaper per gallon of spray solution (using azadirachtin concentration as a comparison).
Mother nature seems to do just fine without us lets try and mimic or work with her...I can't say for sure but I am pretty sure she does not have fairies flying around the forest spraying pesticides to save the earth from being overun by insects(although you may find some predators flying around).
Mother Nature also doesn't grow drugs for profit, personal consumption, or pay the power bills for the Sun. She also doesn't give a shit if everything moulds in to the ground. This point is thrown around often, but has no basis in reality.
Bear in mind, I generally do not advocate or use synthetic control, but there is a time and place for everything in a comprehensive IPM program. People that ride on idealogy alone tend to crash and burn when the shit hits the fan.
No one likes it this way but its happening.
Paraphrase "This is how it is, deal with it"
That's the type of attitude that kept the Drug War alive and well.... don't rock the boat, follow the crowd? Jesus Christ.
organics just burn, all of them do. Organics are just as bad as synthetics.
Anything in concentration has the potential to burn a plant. Organic does not mean non-toxic or universally safe. As for your next point, that's just baseless malarkey. Organic treatments are not non-toxic, but incomparable to the average toxicity of conventional control.
Another good point to make is that chemcials like avid not only destroy the pest they destroy the beneficisl insects and benefical micro organisms ( bacteria, fungi, protozoa, etc) but it also kills the plant and the farming spraying it.
If Avid killed the plant, why would anyone use it for anything other than a herbicide? As for the farmer, PPE is important, no matter organic or conventional. Every product has safe handling procedures listed with the instructions (that you malign a few posts below). Inhaling DE isn't going to do your lungs any good, despite it's use an organic control.
Direct contact with Avid will effect non-target organisms, but is rapidly degraded by sunlight, and in soil/water. There is no information available that supports your claim that Avid effects microbes.
this is pure BS. Avid, It does not disrupt beneficial insects, mites and pollinators. Neither does Forbid. The deal with synthetics are they are designed to interact with only certain kinds of bugs.
The systemic action of Avid will not effect many non-target organisms, but direct contact will. That is not the deal with synthetics at all, if anything, the majority are broad spectrum.
Azomax, neem, all that stuff is Poisson and breathing it in any way is bad..
Sorry, what? That's utter nonsense.
ps. azamax and he other aza products are just neem oil most like diluted with water and a cool name and sticker so they can charge you more.
Also incorrect. Azamax/azadirachtin products are neem extracts, much more concentrated, and cheaper per gallon of spray solution (using azadirachtin concentration as a comparison).
Mother nature seems to do just fine without us lets try and mimic or work with her...I can't say for sure but I am pretty sure she does not have fairies flying around the forest spraying pesticides to save the earth from being overun by insects(although you may find some predators flying around).
Mother Nature also doesn't grow drugs for profit, personal consumption, or pay the power bills for the Sun. She also doesn't give a shit if everything moulds in to the ground. This point is thrown around often, but has no basis in reality.
Bear in mind, I generally do not advocate or use synthetic control, but there is a time and place for everything in a comprehensive IPM program. People that ride on idealogy alone tend to crash and burn when the shit hits the fan.
No one likes it this way but its happening.
Paraphrase "This is how it is, deal with it"
That's the type of attitude that kept the Drug War alive and well.... don't rock the boat, follow the crowd? Jesus Christ.
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