Help with seed production

[wildroots]

Does anyone have a link or some information explaining how to grow for seed production. Like, can I take 10 seeds from a strain, grow them out and end up with lots of good seeds so I can keep growing the same strain? And what the hell is back-crossing? Do you remove the seeds before drying the harvest?
Any help on this is much appreciated. And yes it's a new thing for me!!

 

[Ronley]

YOu can take 5 or 10 seeds of a particular strain, and grow them out. Because you are growing a few plants the chances of getting both male and female are very high and a male is definately expected. (for example I grew 5 out 5 seeds and I had 3 females and 2 males)

Of the plants that you have growing the best seeds would be obtained from the most strongest vigourous plants. thereby ensuring that the next generations will stong and vigourous.

Ovioulsly in order for pollenation you will need to have a male plant. This is what the flowers on a male will look like for identification.


so let the strongest male plant grow (all other males you can destroy.) Eventually the bell shaped flowers will "pop" and emit a yellow powder which is the pollen. This pollen can be either sprinkled onto the buds. or just left alone for nature to take its course and natural pollenation will occur. But then it will pollenate your entire crop and you will have loads and loads of seeds.

Personally I would actually take the male plant out of the garden until its ready for pollenating incase it pops and "destroys" the entire crop- Or just take cuttings of this male plant and put the cuttings into a glass of water, (remeber to change the water ever so often and dont let the water evaporate) When the these male flowers are mature enough then they will emit a yellow powder which is the pollen.

In the other room I hold a piece of paper under the bell shaped flowers and tap them gently with a pen or something long until the powder falls onto the paper, then I carefully take this pollen and sprinkle it onto some buds on the female plant. Dont worry you will get seeds. you dont have to go overboard and panic with your sprinkling... otherwise all your buds will be seeded and the quality of the weed is lessened.

This is pretty much what is done to get seeds.




You dont have to remove seeds before harvest- (you will have loads and loads of them if you just leave the male plant in your garden or if you sprinkle in excess so its impossible to remove them ). When you harvest and cure make sure that you put news paper under the hanging branches/buds so that the falling seeds will fall onto the paper.

This is my method of getting seeds. and ensuring that I dont harm my entire crop, just select buds on a select female-

Other people here will do it differently

 

[wildroots]

Thanks Ronley – I appreciate the reply post and the pictures very helpful.

I suspect that if I keep the best plants and grow the seeds from that harvest, then my strain will become stronger with the next generation of plants. This leads me to believe that this process could be “back–crossing” (or maybe this is in-breeding?) – I could have some real funky stuff after a few generations!

 

[dubmantx]

Backcrossing is when you take a plant that either is a cross or has 2 pretty distinct parrents and select for one of the parrents. Say if you had a haze crossed with skunk and you decided that you didnt want a long flowering sativa you would just breed the indica offspring (skunk) so that the future generations would be more and more skunk based until its stable... then you have successfully backcrossed.
But just selecting the best plants will generally improve your seedstock. The more seeds you can grow to select the best 2, the better your results. Breeders tent to keep clones of a mom or dad or both. They keep the best plant so that it can be used for seed or pollen in future plant bangs.

 

[Guest]

backcrossing is when you take offspring from any filial generation(F1.F2,F3 so on)and go back to a parent P1.

"Say if you had a haze crossed with skunk and you decided that you didnt want a long flowering sativa you would just breed the indica offspring (skunk) so that the future generations would be more and more skunk based until its stable..."

your example is describin the selection process and inbreedin. I think skunk is a sativa

CBF

 

[Ronley]

There are entire books that have been written just on this subject of cross breeding and back crossing, and many reputable breeders have been doing this with years of hard cross breeding from crop to crop and coming up with fantatic strains.

Its really a lot easier to let them carry on with there good work and let us the growers plant there seeds. And enjoy the produce.

I mean its ok to keep getting seeds from crop to crop and doing our own cross breeding, but do it on select branches. Otherwise in the end you will have loads and loads of seeds, when in fact you could have had prime bud instead.

From one harvest to the next is about 6 plus months, Unless you have the space and means to grow lots of bushes and experiment with different strains, then I think its not worth all this trouble to make seeds in mass.

Too many seeds or seeds ruin the crop.

The price of fantastic strains are not too costly - ok we can still buy some good strains are not too costly and with seedbay and seed boutique you can order fantastic strains for about $30 or even less if you get lucky, with no trouble what so ever. You also get a freebie that can be worth more then your purchase.

This said, I appreciate the advantage of having more then just 10 seeds from a certain strain. and doing my own pollenating is important.
but i think it needs to be done carefully so as not to destroy the crop.

 

[Guest]

Backcrossing is typically used when a particular trait or traits are desired in a seedline... If one had an amazingly outstanding example of a cross, and pollenated it, grew out the seed, selected males for the desired trait(s), and then used the pollen to pollenate a clone of the original, then the resulting seeds would be a backcross... usually this selection process and pollenation of the original clone is done multiple times to insure the highest percentage of the desired trait in the resulting seed...
What you will be doing is an incross if the strain is stable, or an f2 if you are growing a hybrid...
If the backcrossing is carrying undesirable traits to the offspring, then incrossing can sometimes be used to decrease the percentages of that trait in the offspring...
making a few seeds for yourself is fun...
increasing the potency of a strain is alot of work...
According to my experience, this is how I understand things, If Anyone thinks I'm mistaken, please do not hesitate to point it out...

 

[Bigmone357]

Breeding for seeds

Breeding for seeds

http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/marijuanabotany3.html here ya go wildroots BREED ON MAN!!! & here's mendel's genetic laws http://www.borg.com/~lubehawk/mendel.htm -Peace Bm357

 

[Guest]

That's an awesome simple breakdown of mendel's laws BM... great find!

 

[Bigmone357]

Thanks Grat3ful better yet thank mendel .I am glad to have contributed this bit of info as it will be very useful to folks wishing to do some breeding if they run across it.It has helped me alot understanding mendels laws that's for sure.Peace Bm357

 

[Guest]

Too many seeds or seeds ruin the crop. .

seeded bud is typically more potent then unseeded. just havin seed in the bud is what ya mean by ruinin a crop, then Ok if thats how ya feel. i dont think anyone should grow out plants with out at least makin a few seed. just my take on the matter. the more seed around the more genetic diversity availible.

leavin the breedin to the breeders i dont agree with either, understandin the plant to its fullest is what i want to see in each and every plant I grow. theres quite a few private breeders(non commercial, and not hacks) that produce lines well above what is offered commercially.

CBF

 

[Brownpants]

Can someone please explain how you self fertlize your plant? and why you would want to do it?

An example I am thinking of is the Blackberry S1 (Very Berry Surprise). This produced many different phenotypes when the seeds were grown out.

 

[Guest]

Can someone please explain how you self fertlize your plant? and why you would want to do it?

An example I am thinking of is the Blackberry S1 (Very Berry Surprise). This produced many different phenotypes when the seeds were grown out.

your selfed population will be as good as the plant you selfed as far as what the resultin product will be.

another words if the selfed plant was somewaht stable from the start, then you should get a fair population, somewhat like F2s. if the selfed plant was a wild azz mutihybrid, then you should see all kinds of plants.

selfin is where you would use a chemical formula(sts) spray your female a few times and she produces pollen which you would use on the cut of that same plant. like she screwed herself, lol

CBF

 

[Guest]

I think the Blackberry S1's were made with STS - silver thiosulfate...
IMHO selfing is useless....

 

[Guest]

IMHO selfing is useless....

LOL, lots of growers feel that way, and ive seen some crazy plants from selfed seed.

it has a use, and id think it would be in your breedin program. sibs from a selfed plant give a deeper look into the genetic heritage of the plant. and much faster then growin loads of plants.

ive read some and that seems to be where it worth while to do.

CBF

 

[Brownpants]

Thanks for the info CBF and Grat3fulH3ad.

Are there any other ways besides using chemicals to self a plant? Like manipulating light cycles to produce a hemaphrodite?

 

[Guest]

Soma lets a female flower way longer than normal, 'till they produce male flowers...

 

[Guest]

somas rodelization technique relys on the plants extinction factor. where some plants when not pollinated will push males bananas and fertilize themselves. the banana is exactly that, looks like a banana, there not like a normal male flower.

light poisenin is also a way too make a plant hermie and produce pollen. but some say by doin this that you release the hermie trait amounst your plants. me I think most all plants carry the extinction gene, and when conditions are right there gonna blow bananas either way.

hermies are ok as long as ya expect it in your grow. its a real azz buster when your growin from smoke and a hermie polluts your grow.

CBF

 

[wildroots]

Hey Bigmone357 – I want to thank you whole heartily for the excellent links ( printing out the files as I am typing ) I was getting irritated with multiple irrelevant internet searches – looking for the real McCoy - RIGHT ON!!!

Great information as well as opinions, thanks everyone. I also have to agree with CBF, I too want to know my plants to the fullest, and the complete process for reproduction. What if I had no choice in this world where I could only rely on my own breeding for my medicine. This is why I invested in 30 + strains. Incidentally I’m growing 5 (NYCD X G13) and 5 ( Nirvana Ice )

 

[Guest]

dont forget to look at your cross both ways

(NYCD X G13) X Ice and ice X (NYCD X G13)

one other point when growin plants you plan on makin seed with. really take the time to go over your males. find the best ones. a good stud, that continually throws the traits you want is worth more than any female out there. just my HO.

CBF