help with diagnosis (pre-98 bubba & sour diesal) [pics]

[Dumielson]

thanks for stopping by everyone!

I need help in my diagnosis, I have checked this thread,
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
trying to diagnose my problem, and I'm just not quite clear on it, I was hoping it would be obvious to you guys

a few weeks back, I scooped up both a pre-98 bubba clone, and a sour diesal, and I tossed it into this mix I got at the local grow shop (new age gardening potting mix, I included a picture of the label with ingredients listed), both of each were put into a small pot to veg under 300 watt t-5 fluoro's, 2 weeks ago, they were watered only 3 times, once when potted with pH'ed water at 6.75, then two more times with a solution of 1 drop/gal superthrive, and 1 teaspoon/gal liquid bat guano (npk = .01-.10-.01) - I waited till the soil was pretty dry looking, but didn't let the plants droop or anything, here's the problem, the bottom leaves of the pre-98 started to yellow, I figured it was a N def, but some of the leaves are ALSO curling downwards at the leaftip, does this mean I have a nute lockup/out, or am I good to add n to cure this ailment?

and If I'm good to add n, and cannot afford something like blood meal right now, could I just use used coffee grinds, like top-dressed in the soil?


here's the soil ingredient mix pic


here's the yellowing on the pre-98




and the curling of the leaftips



please help my babies be all they can beeee!

thanks dooders,
Dumielson

 

[Guest]

Id say flush man, the plants to young to have a def of any sorts, a real good organic soil should give you all you need in the way of ferts for 3 or 4 weeks. Spray with a solution of epsom salts a a teaspoon per gallon to green things up after the flush. Superthrive is pretty toxic when over done , Id flush bud. Re-potting after the flush would help you as well, you`d be surprised what a good flush and a repotting will do for ya. Dont fret man, they will come back nicely.

 

[Duder]

the yellow on the bottom of the bubba looks normal, all of my clones do that once they start rooting & putting on new growth... they need nutrients from somewhere (fan leafs)

not sure about the downward curling, could be a problem stemming from you trying to over-correct & add nutes to fix the yellowing which wasn't really a problem to begin with

 

[Dumielson]

Id say flush man, the plants to young to have a def of any sorts, a real good organic soil should give you all you need in the way of ferts for 3 or 4 weeks. Spray with a solution of epsom salts a a teaspoon per gallon to green things up after the flush. Superthrive is pretty toxic when over done , Id flush bud. Re-potting after the flush would help you as well, you`d be surprised what a good flush and a repotting will do for ya. Dont fret man, they will come back nicely.

the thing is, looking at the label of the potting mix, I can't determine if it's been ammended or not, it doesn't say - regardless, I was diligent in only adding one drop of superthrive per gallon, and the guano i used was very mild (.01-.10-.01) - so I figured it couldnt be lockout.

If the soil I used WASN'T ammended then could it just be a simple n def, or no? I'm just not clear on where the curling leaftips come in either, or why thats happening

Anyways, perhaps that's what I'll do, thank you bro

the yellow on the bottom of the bubba looks normal, all of my clones do that once they start rooting & putting on new growth... they need nutrients from somewhere (fan leafs)

not sure about the downward curling, could be a problem stemming from you trying to over-correct & add nutes to fix the yellowing which wasn't really a problem to begin with

cool, I know the curling didn't happen from me adding too many nutes, it was a very mild mixture of bat guano (.01-.10-.01), and superthrive for the micronutrients, I only watered with it twice, and only a gallon of water used between the two waterings at that, because I still have them in small pots to veg, so I wasn't using alot of water

ok, when I first got the clone from the club I tossed it in my cloner tray for a day or two, under a 20 or 30 watt t-5, then they were put into the small pots and put under 2 300 watt dual spectrum t-5 fluoros for two weeks, two days ago I replaced the fluoro's with a 70 watt metal halide, is it possible the big jump up then down in light wattage did that? no right?

thanks!

 

[Blackvelvet]

Your soil mix most likely has no nutrients. This could be called agregate hydroponics.

You will need to add nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, calcium, sulfur, and the 6 micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum.

Great you got a local gro shop. Get a fert intended for hydroponics. Floranova grow and bloom might be a good choice. Only need 2 bottles. Gh 3 part and pbp grow/bloom + cal mag plus are other popular ferts here at icmag.

Ph of your fert water after adding everything should be about 6. You might need some ph up or down.

 

[Guest]

Your soil mix most likely has no nutrients. This could be called agregate hydroponics.

You will need to add nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, calcium, sulfur, and the 6 micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum.

Great you got a local gro shop. Get a fert intended for hydroponics. Floranova grow and bloom might be a good choice. Only need 2 bottles. Gh 3 part and pbp grow/bloom + cal mag plus are other popular ferts here at icmag.

Ph of your fert water after adding everything should be about 6. You might need some ph up or down.

Black velvets right bro, I didnt click on the label of your mix, I thought it said all natural potting soil and assumed it was organic SOIL . He`s right and sorry for not catching that.

 

[Dumielson]

Your soil mix most likely has no nutrients. This could be called agregate hydroponics.

You will need to add nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, calcium, sulfur, and the 6 micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum.

Great you got a local gro shop. Get a fert intended for hydroponics. Floranova grow and bloom might be a good choice. Only need 2 bottles. Gh 3 part and pbp grow/bloom + cal mag plus are other popular ferts here at icmag.

Ph of your fert water after adding everything should be about 6. You might need some ph up or down.

yessir, the good dooder at the shop gave me a bag to try for free when I scooped up all my Foxfarm products, rereading the label It maybe formulated for use as medium in hydroponic setup, but since I'm using it as a soil, I'll ammend it - should I still run with the products you suggested earlier or get some ferts geared torwards soil?

likewise,when I mix my ferts, is it dire to ph it closer to 6.8 since thats the optimal absorption pH level for all nutes & micros, or I'm good closer to 6, thanks for taking the time to help a newbie!


I owe you one! :friends:

Black velvets right bro, I didnt click on the label of your mix, I thought it said all natural potting soil and assumed it was organic SOIL . He`s right and sorry for not catching that.

saul goodman!

I appreiate the help, that "jump right in there with answers" attitude is why I feel this site is so valubale, so keep doing your job, goodsir!

 

[Blackvelvet]

yessir, the good dooder at the shop gave me a bag to try for free when I scooped up all my Foxfarm products, rereading the label It maybe formulated for use as medium in hydroponic setup, but since I'm using it as a soil, I'll ammend it - should I still run with the products you suggested earlier or get some ferts geared torwards soil?

likewise,when I mix my ferts, is it dire to ph it closer to 6.8 since thats the optimal absorption pH level for all nutes & micros, or I'm good closer to 6, thanks for taking the time to help a newbie!

No. You don't understand. The soil mix is hydroponic. It would be called drain to waste agregate hydroponics. The soil mix only serves to anchor the plant and provides no nutrients. You add everything in your water. You might like this. Lots of aeration for good root growth it looks like. Just add hydro nutes. Only difference with hydro nutes compared to regular soil nutes is the high amount of calcium and magnesium...your not using dolomite lime to get cal mag like other soil growers. If your on a low budget, get just the floranova grow. Start out with 1/2 strength (100 ppm nitrogen) When 12/12 comes, get the bloom bottle.

Ph 6.8 is too high. Micronutrients become insoluble. They are more reactive at a high ph and become things like oxides ex: copper oxide. Plants cannot absorb them.

 

[Dumielson]

No. You don't understand. The soil mix is hydroponic. It would be called drain to waste agregate hydroponics. The soil mix only serves to anchor the plant and provides no nutrients. You add everything in your water. You might like this. Lots of aeration for good root growth it looks like. Just add hydro nutes. Only difference with hydro nutes compared to regular soil nutes is the high amount of calcium and magnesium...your not using dolomite lime to get cal mag like other soil growers. If your on a low budget, get just the floranova grow. Start out with 1/2 strength (100 ppm nitrogen) When 12/12 comes, get the bloom bottle.

Ph 6.8 is too high. Micronutrients become insoluble. They are more reactive at a high ph and become things like oxides ex: copper oxide. Plants cannot absorb them.

much appreciated dood!
keep up the good work

 

[moonymonkey]

good call++good job...ialmost did the samething,not clicking on the hydo-mix^^^^anothr happy ending....peace moon/