HELP! too much or too little?

[cowdog]

I'm indoors growing blue dream and I just started flower about a month ago, and two weeks in or so they started to turn a lime green color. Usually they don't get very much nutrient wise but this run I tried a new line earthjuice. so far it's proven to be really good but they have been this color for about two weeks now. Also I've noticed you normally continue to give it grow (which is the vegetative) nutes for a while into flower but instead i completely stopped and switched to flower nutes. I'm assuming the color is a deficiency because it doesn't have any grow nutes but now it's a month into flower and i don't know if it's safe to give it the grow stuff. I intend on doing so anyways but should it be a normal dose of grow or less than the average compared to when they're in flower? or should i just stay away from it completely? they also started to cup up a little, they're in 7 gallons so when does it start to be too much? honestly I intend on giving them a reasonable dose of both flower and grow nutes along with cal mag and molasses but is there such a thing as giving it too many different nutes? not too much but feeding with grow and flower at the same time or should i feed the grow in say one gallon of water and the flower in another? i just don't want the solution I feed to be too concentrated, if that's even such a thing. I feed about once a week and I've been pretty cautious with giving them too much nutes because i hate the idea of nutes but you gotta do it and now being bigger pots than the normal 5 they're bigger and I feel like they need more. is that the right train of thought here? i just flushed and refreshed with a small dose of veg nutes last week they seemed to get a little better but not much. Sorry for the lengthy post here's what I'm worried about in bullet form lol.

should it be a normal dose of grow or less than the average compared to when they're in flower?

or should i just stay away from it completely?

is there such a thing as giving it too many different nutes? not too much but feeding with grow and flower nutes at the same time when flipping (or throughout the whole flower?)

should i feed the grow in say one gallon of water and the flower in another? i just don't want the solution I feed to be too concentrated (if that's even a thing?)

with the last one my concern is the salts building up and not being able to dissolve into the water because it's too concentrated

earthjuice is a liquid feed but definitely has some salt deposits in it as well

 

[stoned-trout]

I have used a lot of ej..ya should of kept veg formula going for about 2 weeks into flower..during stretch my plants need the n...check soil ph too as ej can be acidic and some mediums buffer better than others...yeehaw....one of the better ferts out there...any yellowing of leaves????..I have blended ej many times..love the bloom and meta k and microblast the best tho..add what ya need

 

[Easy7]

I just love new posters to the forums. Slow down and don't get overly complicated.

Nitrogen in the soil/water should never increase after stretch. Nitrogen should but doesn't have to, decline during the ripening phase. Depends on what you want for you final product.

Phosphorous increase during flowering and peaks towards to about 21 before harvest. Phosphorous is good for plant strength and flowers.

Potassium is good all around but I would keep it low for starts and around 30-40ppm for larger plants. Potassium is good for roots and oils. Too much potassium locks out goodies!

 

[cowdog]

well they are pretty yellow right now, i just want the healthy green back and I feel like the only way to get it back would be to give it more of what it needs. I would be increasing the N compared to what it was, but what it was, was pretty low. could it need cal mag? i'll ease up on potassium.

 

[Collembola]

hello,

first check the new growth (leaves around the flowers), to see if they want more nitrogen, sometimes plants will drop / take nutrients from fan leaves for their own reasons, so you can't really go on colour anyhoo.

too many nutes (read: nitrogen) at the end will make the flowers taste bad, also worse more leafy

(we want the leaves yellow / not green at harvest; it is the sign of a good grower)

(...mine are ususally over-ferted).

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if my plants are running low on nitrogen in flower, i like to stick to the flowering nutes and then add 1ml/l grow (but i use bio-bizz), to it, then you have to wait and see how they respond and do the same again (bio-bizz flower, also has nitrogen).

i haven't grown blue dream, but i have made a sativa dominant plant produce male parts with 3ml/l, so you have to be gentle and wait, can't just dump aload of nitrogen onto them.

looking up the earth juice website, the N-P-K's seem very low (like almost so low, i would consider using something else if they are expensive).

pictures would be very helpful though.

regards,

 

[cowdog]

hello,

first check the new growth (leaves around the flowers), to see if they want more nitrogen, sometimes plants will drop / take nutrients from fan leaves for their own reasons, so you can't really go on colour anyhoo.

too many nutes (read: nitrogen) at the end will make the flowers taste bad, also worse more leafy

(we want the leaves yellow / not green at harvest; it is the sign of a good grower)

(...mine are ususally over-ferted).
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if my plants are running low on nitrogen in flower, i like to stick to the flowering nutes and then add 1ml/l grow (but i use bio-bizz), to it, then you have to wait and see how they respond and do the same again (bio-bizz flower, also has nitrogen).

i haven't grown blue dream, but i have made a sativa dominant plant produce male parts with 3ml/l, so you have to be gentle and wait, can't just dump aload of nitrogen onto them.

looking up the earth juice website, the N-P-K's seem very low (like almost so low, i would consider using something else if they are expensive).

pictures would be very helpful though.

regards,

well here are some pictures from last night. the healthy looking picture is veg and the second is a month into flower. the ph run off is 6.2 the ppm is around 1000(so i think... i havent gotten a nice ppm pen compared to my bluelab ph pen) and temp ranges from 62-81. i know theyre supposed to yellow but this much this early?

 

[Easy7]

Might be too much potassium, I'm not certain. Excess potassium locks out mg, iron and a couple of other items.

What exactly are you feeding them?

 

[cowdog]

Might be too much potassium, I'm not certain. Excess potassium locks out mg, iron and a couple of other items.

What exactly are you feeding them?

earthjuice's full line and there was one feed where they got pk13/14 in addition to the earthjuice which might have been a little too much for them. im not very heavy on nutes like i said but ik these genetics and the guy before me hardly gave them anything....like at all. might be the problem

 

[PoweredByLove]

magnesium deficiency. plants need a lot of mag in the beginning through mid stages of flower. pretty much too late to reverse this yellowing, but you can prevent it next time and salvage the rest of your grow with 1tsp per gallon of water. you'll see new growth, the yellow leaves aren't gonna turn back green. most likely just hang on till you chop.

 

[baron1]

might be needing some cal mag

 

[Mikell]

Throw up a shot of a single fan leaf. Magnesium and Nitrogen deficiences are distinct from each other. Even yellowing like that looks to be N.

Stonedtrout summed up where you went wrong. Depending on remaining estimated flower time, you may be able to get one or two veg orientated feeds in. At this point, whatever you do is a band-aid. The yield potential has fallen dramatically and your only goal is to finish with something to show for the effort or to extract with.

Follow the mixing chart with EJ. A lot of what you're thinking or proposing is malarkey (yet understandable).

 

[Collembola]

they look "healthy" but really short on nutrients (not dropping / necrosis leaves etc)

i would slowly slowly, ramp up the, nutrients untill the point the leaves around the floral clusters are light green, if possible

and then keep on feeding them p/k again if possible, but please be gentle / patient because you don't want to burn them.

seriously though i don't think earth juice has enough nutrients for purpose unless you are really rich etc.

if earth juice does not have enough nitrogen OR magnesium, then again...

i reccommend bio-bizz standard grow / bloom although i have only tried 2 varieties of nutrients.

(you need to add some magnesium with bio-bizz alot of the time though, depending on hardness / if using tap water (i use tap water))

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theres not a standard rule for feeding schedules though, nitrogen at early flowering will encourage them to stretch etc.

(although yours would have benefitted from more nitrogen at that point, looking at them).

imho.