Help to choose the strains for 2017

[AnneFrank]

Hi !


I would like to try ace seeds for this year, I got seeds from this brand (almost every strain x8) regular and I am not experienced so if you can share your knowledge with me...

So I live near the Alpes, low altitude (300m). The season here is good enough for weed but we got a lot of rain in late flowering, cold, less sun than south of france which is very sunny.

Generally I transport clones (30-40cm) outside in early may with 15h-16h acclimatization indoor with metal-halyde bulb (2x400).
We got rain in mid september to late november , generally 3 to 6days in september, 12 approx in october and november too (12-15). Usually I have to harvest early to late october.

Our photoperiods

Indoor that i would like to try outdoor :
Malakoff from medical seeds- (I will do it)
GDP from ken estes (don't know if they are really mold resistant)
SeriousSix from serious seeds (feminized, so ...maybe not)
But i'mnt sure yet, they have to prove their talents

But I will gamble on ace this time , I planned to do these strains :
Malawi x Pck
Panama
Bangi haze
(Destroyer CBG)

and the hesitation list :
Congo
Tikal (tikal , like tikhal from the book of Alexander shulgin?)

the not very sure list :
Zamaldelica
Orient express
Caribe

Can malawi pck finish in october, without much rot? I will use botryprot to prevent mold.

I do not have limit but I plan to do 20 cannabis plant for this year..
Thank you for your help
best regards
AF

 

[AnneFrank]

btw does one pheno is better than another for panama?
green panama > red panama for mold resistance or is it faster?

And is it normal Cannabiogen seeds got no packaging at all (like ace?). They got exactly the same packaging, it is strange..

Have a wonderful february guys and gurls

 

[48N]

im in similiar climate like you and i wouldnt go for orient express, i think it will mould in our climate, it moulded for me
congo works, but next time i would order bangi haze
tikal is nice (especially the peach pheno)
destroyer is something id like to try as well, i had the auto destroyer before and it was really good, felt very sativa

 

[48N]

panama works, you can see its very well worked
i prefered the green pheno, clearer and more sativa to me
the red pheno is also nice but more recreational and more for the evening
i didnt notice that one pheno moulded more than the others
creating multiple colas helps i think, at least thats how i do it
have a nice day

 

[The Hatter]

I have only grown out about half of these and I am not familiar with the area you live in, but I can give you a little input about the ones I have tried.

Destroyer: This is one of the longest flowering strains on your list. I have personally seen Destroyer phenotypes that require 14+ weeks to flower so if you have early frosts where you are it could be an issue. It is a strong, long-lasting, clean, soaring sativa. I have run across people who find it too intense and anxiety inducing for their tastes, but personally I find it to be great smoke with a good clean upbeat vibe and zero hang over. The plants generally yield quite well and they stretch quite a bit. The bud has a nice woody incense and lemon/lime aroma to it. Good for depression, terrible for sleep.

Zamaldelica: This is the other strain on your list that can take a long time to flower. The version I ran had a slightly different genetic background that the more refined and recent releases which are much more stable and shorter flowering. I had one plant go 18 1/2 weeks in flower, but it was fluke even for that original unstable release and I don't think you can find super long flowering phenos like that anymore. Zamaldelica tends to be stronger and trippier than Destroyer. I have seen people freak out on it a bit. I hear the Malawi leaning phenotypes can have a more paralyzing and muddy effect than the Zamal leaning phenos, but I never had a Malawi leaning plant. Mine were Zamal or Thia leaning with very strong clean electric effects. This strain has some very unusual aromas. The 15 week one smelled mostly of funky sweet carrots and woody incense, the longer flowering one was one of the strangest smelling plants I have ever encountered. It had an almost eye stinging strong smell of freshly cut green onion, garlic and ginger with some spicy vegetable type undertones. The longer flowering plant is probably the most extreme sativa I have smoked which is saying something since I generally smoke only sats and I have 20+ years experience at it. Strong, heart pounding and euphoric with a very mind expanding trippy kind of buzz. The edibles from that plant were borderline psychedelic. It's a high yielding strain that grows very vigorously and stretches like mad in flower. Very good for depression, but don't smoke it to try and get to sleep.

Orient Express: This is a high yielding strain. The plant I grew out was very Vietnam Black leaning and flowered for an unusually long time, over 12 weeks. The smoke is very warm, clean, upbeat and sociable. It's been ages since I grew this one, but from what I remember it smelled of over ripe fruits and earthy forest rain. It's a much less intense experience than the Zamaldelica or Destroyer, but it's not weak. It is more sativa leaning than you might think given it's description and genetics. Good for anxiety and depression. Mine grew very vigorously and stretched a good bit but far less than Zamaldelica or Destroyer. My plant was way more VB leaning than is typical so you should expect much faster flowering times. This is a hardy, fast and easy to grow strain.

Panama was a very solid and classic old school south American style sativa. It's a pure sativa but it comes with a warm, dreamy quality to it's effect. Very high yielding. Mine flowered for a good 12 weeks and I think I had red phenos. They tended to make me space out and day dream, so it wasn't very good for getting work done or staying motivated and on task, but was nice for doing stuff like going for a hike, hanging out, walking the dogs etc. Mine had a lemon and old leather kind of smell to it. It's good for depression and socializing. It stretches quite a bit, but less than you might expect for a pure tropical sativa. It's quite strong. It's decent for depression.

I'm not sure exactly what kinds of effects your looking for or when your first frost's typically occur, but all four of these strains I tried were worth it and quite different from the run of the mill mainstream poly hybrids you find everywhere these days. All had good yields. I would be wary of long flowering pheno's of Zamaldelica and Destroyer if you are looking for plants that will finish before the end of October.

I should add, none of the above strains ever molded on me even in a grow room where I had another plant with Botrytis at the time. I do not grow outdoors so I can't help you with any personal advice in that arena other than that Ace strains are well known for doing well outside.

You might want to consider Nepalese Jam. It's nice stuff. Very easy to grow and very hardy and it finishes ultra-fast. Since you said you were new at this picking easy to grow and hardy strains like Nep Jam and Orient Express might go a long way to making your first run less of a headache.

 

[dubi]

Welcome AnneFrank

I think i already replied you through email, but since you have started a thread about it i will post my recommendations here too as they may work for other growers growing at your latitude or with similar outdoor conditions.

Sativa dominant hybrids: Bangi Haze, Congo, Nepal Jam, Panama x Bangi Haze.

Sativa/Indica hybrids: Malawi x PCK, Nepal Jam x Kali China, Kali China.

Indicas and mostly indica hybrids: Erdpurt, Pakistan Chitral Kush, Early Bubba Hash, PCK x Erdpurt, Violeta and Snow Moon standard.

Hope it helps you to choose the more suitable strains for your taste and needs.
Best regards

 

[AnneFrank]

Thank you all ! your answers are really nice

I will follow your advices

 

[Zitz]

I have only grown out about half of these and I am not familiar with the area you live in, but I can give you a little input about the ones I have tried.

Thanks for the detailed reports on those strains, everytime I hear about orient express it sounds like my cup of tea, would you say its as quick as Nepjam?

 

[The Hatter]

Thanks for the detailed reports on those strains, everytime I hear about orient express it sounds like my cup of tea, would you say its as quick as Nepjam?

Dubi is probably the better person to ask since my sample size was so small, but for me the Nep Jam was quicker. It's the fastest sativa I have ever grown with one of my fastest pheno finishing at 7 weeks which is unheard of for a real sativa. Both of these strains are fast finishers. I had one very unusual Vietnam Black leaning OE that went 12 weeks, but it was a rare long flowering sativa phenotype and should not be considered representative of the strain. It was a beautiful plant. I'm actually growing that plant's daughters this time around. She got knocked up by a nice Destroyer I had at the time. I can't wait to see how her kids turn out.

 

[AnneFrank]

Okey so I will do :
Malakoff (2 to 5) , GDP (1 or 2), serious six (0 to 3) and..

Nepal jam, Bangi haze, Malawi pck, panama + One zamaldelica for fun
from CBG => Destroyer (1 to 2) and caribe (1 to 2)

Everything is germinating (except NJam, I will got it from alchima today). I will try to select females and put them outside from mid april to early may.

@The hatter :thanks again for your nice answer

@Dubi : sorry, I didnt know you are the same person who sell me the seeds, I hope everything will be great and many french growers will ride the ACE 'S HYPE TRAIN with me

Bye bye and thank you again !

 

[Zitz]

Dubi is probably the better person to ask since my sample size was so small, but for me the Nep Jam was quicker. It's the fastest sativa I have ever grown with one of my fastest pheno finishing at 7 weeks which is unheard of for a real sativa. Both of these strains are fast finishers. I had one very unusual Vietnam Black leaning OE that went 12 weeks, but it was a rare long flowering sativa phenotype and should not be considered representative of the strain. It was a beautiful plant. I'm actually growing that plant's daughters this time around. She got knocked up by a nice Destroyer I had at the time. I can't wait to see how her kids turn out.

I was mainly going for indi's this year, but NepJam is on my list now
Can you tell me more about the taste and effect? I've read the breeder description but I like to get reports from growers especially if they are able to distinguish the different effects and describe them (as not all smokers can).

Okey so I will do :
Malakoff (2 to 5) , GDP (1 or 2), serious six (0 to 3) and..

Nepal jam, Bangi haze, Malawi pck, panama + One zamaldelica for fun
from CBG => Destroyer (1 to 2) and caribe (1 to 2)

Bye bye and thank you again !

Im in a similar climate to you, look forward to seeing the nepjam, the malawi sounds a bit heavy to me (like a once a fortnight smoke) but maybe the pck will lighten her up.
The Panama sounds nice as a chilled sati, plus the red/pink pheno's look delicious.
Best of luck.

 

[The Hatter]

Nep Jam is nice smoke. The plants tend to have quite tight buds with a good yield and lots of frost. As far as the effects go it's been a couple of years since I last smoked her but I remember the smoke was quite strong. It's a sativa but it's not the sort that will keep you up at night with a racing heartbeat. It's dreamy, mellow and sociable for a sativa. It's hard to put into words or quantify these sorts of things but if you've ever tried and liked any Nepalese stuff in the past then you will like Nep Jam. The hybrid definitely leans towards the Nepalese Highland rather than the Jamaican side of the spectrum. There is quite a bit of body to the buzz and a lot of euphoria and it has a bit of an indica like come down where it makes you kind of groggy and dopey as the initial high wears off.

I think I have some pics of her around her somewhere.

She was hanging up to dry at this point. As you can see she was quite a colorful and frosty plant. Good stuff.

 

[Dr.King]

Nep Jam is nice smoke. The plants tend to have quite tight buds with a good yield and lots of frost. As far as the effects go it's been a couple of years since I last smoked her but I remember the smoke was quite strong. It's a sativa but it's not the sort that will keep you up at night with a racing heartbeat. It's dreamy, mellow and sociable for a sativa. It's hard to put into words or quantify these sorts of things but if you've ever tried and liked any Nepalese stuff in the past then you will like Nep Jam. The hybrid definitely leans towards the Nepalese Highland rather than the Jamaican side of the spectrum. There is quite a bit of body to the buzz and a lot of euphoria and it has a bit of an indica like come down where it makes you kind of groggy and dopey as the initial high wears off.

I think I have some pics of her around her somewhere.

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She was hanging up to dry at this point. As you can see she was quite a colorful and frosty plant. Good stuff.

Thanks Hatter you just convicted me to grow NepJam . I never really thought about or was interested in growing NepJam or her crosses, now I'm intrigued. Just another reminder of why to never ignore any of Ace's strains.

 

[AnneFrank]

the seeds are very fresh, they got no problem to germinate within 30h.

While northern light from sensi seeds never germinate, because their seeds are so old, you can talk aramean with them. okey that's funny but it cost 12€/seed , they should germinate more than 50% I think. with a price like that.

 

[AnneFrank]

the fresh seeds are from ace AND cbg. The germ popped out of the seed really fast. I like that. Maybe they are from last season. My nepal jam are from august 2016, I will see if they germinate faster orr slower.