HELP!! please......

[Guest]

Boy shit turned ugly fast I have 2 plants 1 BOG 1 Romulan x Chronic. They are in walmart soil with perlite and are fed DNF 4 part nutes every feeding and beastie bloom once. They are in week 4 bog 5 chromulan. I also give them hygrozyme and L karma from time to time. heres some pics 1st the Chromulan




could this be Manganese (maybe not enough perlite?)

and the BOG




looks like Potassium but I need an experts opion.

 

[Guest]

nute burns for sure ! also looks like some lockout is going on(mag. deficientcy). some guys transplant..but you could flush/leach next couple waterings...see if they recover.
lay off the nutes :wink: good luck man......

 

[Guest]

I don't think its over fert. I am leaning towards a P?K?Ca? lockout from PH maybe. I use my digi PH to adjust water to 6 to 6.5 but they are in 5 gal buckets and I feed them .5 gal each with no run off to check I could flush and check. Is there a soil ph probe meter? This is the tough part about unkown strains...

 

[wikidcalibudgrl]

well , im goin with the over fert too,, your leaves are really dark, have the edges burned,,, could be a lockup problem,, but i'd flush REAl well, then give them a few light doses of nutes before bumping them back up (or going close to full strength) Also,,, in the Sick Plant Sticky, it says.... " Also having too much potassium and or nitrogen will cause a calcium lockout" So The problem could be too much N ( real dark leaves are a sure sign) lockin up the calcium.... Your best bet would be to go for da FLUSH bud :wink: & good luck!!

 

[Guest]

wickedcali.....thanx for backin me up on this one :wink: i was gonna write/get into the potassium thing with my post to back up my position but most people ..including me dont like huge disertations so i layed off it. maybe i shoulda went further into it? but your rite on target with your post and research

to the author though....why ask for advise or "HELP PLEASE" if ya already now it all. most people that respond to these types threads are here to sincerely help ya out and know whats being looked at for the most part :wink:
with that said here is one closing bit advise for ya....you can pretty much "gauge" your plants nutes uptake/level simply by looking at "tip burns"...the bigger or deeper the tips yellow the higher amounts of nutes you have absorbed. the lighter/lesser the tip the better generally for your plants. you wanna see just barely yellowed tips and healthy looking "green tones" for indicating "healthy levels" of nute/absorbtion. anyway good luck with all that.

 

[Verite]

Im leaning with everyone else here theres a bit too much of something going on. At 4+ weeks in the lower fans should be starting to pale up light green as the plants nutes have changed and they start pulling extra N from the fan leaves.

Yours are too dark green and those lightly burnt orange edges on the fans are a dead givaway the plants getting too much ferts.

 

[Guest]

Alright guys I will flush in morning. Maybe a N rich batch of soil. At next weeks feeding I will give them just 1/2 strength DNF bloom and nothing else and we will see. Regicide I meant no disrespect I have been growing for years and didn't think it was over fert since I only added what I have used for my last 2 grows, with no prob at all. Also I read that BOGs Bubble likes lots of nutes ( a real whore) was the exact quote. Anyway Thankyou to all of you for helping as I am just a newbie compared to most of you...

 

[Sleepy]

i would also check the pH of your runoff...

looks like lockout from pH out of whack to me.

adjust the pH with a generous flush...

 

[1TokeRedeux]

Somewhere I was picking up on the pots not draining....

When growing in large tubs and pots, the watering can get tricky until you get used to it. Those big tubs settle a water table in, and all the water waiting to be takin in by the plant is sittin under there collectin minerals and nutes at mysterious levels. Thing go along fine until you either over water or over nute the absorbtion rate of the plant. You end up building a mix toxic to the plant.

One grow I had to drill holes in the tub bottoms so I could flush good to save the SAGE run. Worked like a champ and I learned that the mix in big pots can turn toxic.

I concur with the quick fix to get those girls flushed out ASAP, they should fully recover in a week or two. My 35 gal tubs were set in the shower and flushed for a couple hours before set aside to drain. Most have seen the results of the SAGE with my bottle of champaigne picture, turned out to be a fair harvest inspite of me.

First the tips burn like that, then fan leaves start fallin off and the stems start to wither and dry. The PH gets way out of wack and locks out nutes, you add more nutes and compound the prob.

IMO either repot with fresh mix or flush ASAP, then stop feeding and plain water until you see them recover. Then pour it on and watch 'em go.

That's 1Tokes' take on it, anyway.

 

[packn2puff]

Yeah looks like you might have some salt build up..kinda goes with every thing else..if they've been in that pot for awhile..a good flush would make um feel better I'm sure..
General Hydroponics..suggests a flush regular in soilless mediums like Promix and other potting soils..they say once a week..that's a little too often for me..
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[wikidcalibudgrl]

Somewhere I was picking up on the pots not draining....

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yeah, i think with that, he said he was in 5 gal pots, but only watering in 1/2 gal of water,,
...probabley JUST a lil shy of really watering well enough to have run off.. prolly should be using close to 1 gal of water ,,, but when i was in soil i watered generously cause i had good drainage soo ..? ?

 

[bartender187]

^^^
I always overwater, helps me prevent salt buildup-- especially if i plan on reusing the soil.

 

[fooldall]

Walmart Soil = Mistake! Just because of bugs alone....

 

[Guest]

Thanks all I flushed with ph7 and got ph 4 run off lockout shit.. I used the rest of my 10gal of water ph up to 8 to flush flush flush.. in the end I have run off of 4.9 at least workable. I cant use my city water so I have to wait till 2morrow morning and try some more. Any thoughts on getting my ph up quick? I will be giving them just a tad more water from now on.

 

[Sleepy]

damn, if you are just flushing, why not use the tap water?

expect a week- to ten-day period of them not looking too good once you get the pH stabilized.

good that you caught it now, instead of later.

 

[Guest]

ph Up eh...

ph Up eh...

Cheap choices - Lime or clean wood ash. I'm not sure whether anyone addressed the question about a ph meter ... RapidTest makes a 20 dollar nondigital ph probe type meter. It isn't dead on but will give you a good idea of where your ph is at.

 

[Guest]

damn, if you are just flushing, why not use the tap water?

expect a week- to ten-day period of them not looking too good once you get the pH stabilized.

good that you caught it now, instead of later.

My tap water has 20ppm iron will that hurt the plants? I don't drink it only wash with it and it does make lots of soap so it must be some what soft.

 

[Sleepy]

at this point, i would be more concerned about the tap waters' pH...20 PPM of iron is low...

flush flush flush...are you able to put a plant or two in the bathtub or a wash basin to flush them?

 

[2buds]

Any thoughts on getting my ph up quick? I will be giving them just a tad more water from now on.

Nothing happens fast in soil. My last battle with nute burn resulted in a good flushing. I elavated my plants on a plastic rack, like the plastic shelf systems, placed a fan under it blowing lots of air up at the plants soil to help avoid getting root rot and I raised temps a bit to also help with the drying process. I went 2 weeks with plain water and crushed dolomite lime.
Crushed dolomite lime can be dissolved in the water or sprinkled on top of the soil then watered in good, has pH of 7.0, should help with Ph levels being so low but everything will take time as you know.