HELP! Outdoor! Hemp russets or neem burn? (pics)

[HatchBrew]

Thought I had neemed them too heavy last week (smelled the neem the next day after spraying in the evening). But these pictures aren't showing a plant getting better.

What I have done since the neem:
Hosed down
Kelp foliar

Feeling pretty boned right now.

 

[TheSilverMullet]

Looks like classic Broad/Russet mite damage but the only way to be absolutely sure is to scope them.

For your sake I hope it's something else.

 

[HatchBrew]

not thinking it is anything else. Time to get the saw and burn pile going.

 

[Mikell]

Environmental conditions re: temperature, RH, wind, etc?

 

[Robrites]

Hatch - I scoped mine again this morning..still haven't found an actual mite..did find some individual blobs that are probably the eggs of something but do not have the rows of spot that are characteristic of broad mites.
Here is the best website I have found so far...
http://www.everwoodfarm.com/Pest_Insect_Cross_Listing/Help_with_Russet_Cyclamen_and_Broad_Mites

Looks like some good solutions there. It is a new day...Go get the bastards!

 

[Robrites]

If you determine it is broad mites, this looks to me like the most human safe method...

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[Mikell]

Most of the information there is correct, though I think all the people that have fried their plants during heat treatment by running fans with disagree with their advice to do just that.

I haven't used Nuke Em but judging from user reviews they write a check their ass can't cash.

*.edu (this string also restricts search engine results) websites contain more accurate information and solutions.

 

[panick503]

In my experience nukem fries ur plants along with the bugs..

 

[amanda88]

Neem Burn .........? lol... look towards Pm perhaps ....?

 

[Robrites]

Most of the information there is correct, though I think all the people that have fried their plants during heat treatment by running fans with disagree with their advice to do just that.

I haven't used Nuke Em but judging from user reviews they write a check their ass can't cash.

*.edu (this string also restricts search engine results) websites contain more accurate information and solutions.

Thanks Mikell. When things seem too good to be true, they usually are.

 

[HatchBrew]

Environmental conditions re: temperature, RH, wind, etc?

Temp: High/Low *F Hi/Lo RH% Wind high/average mph
8/1-8/7: 100/54 90/24 17/1.5
7/25-8/1:108/56 88/14 34/1.9
7/18-7/25:102/51 89/27 22/2.1


UV index is usually an 11 by noon or earlier.

Temps can reach 90*f by 9am and stay high until 9pm. Breaking point usually 4 or 5 pm before temps go back down little by little.

 

[HatchBrew]

Picked up Met-52. Dyna gro neem.

Screening ewc right now to top dress along with kelp & neem meal. Got to keep healthy while attempting to destroy these. Doubling up soil drench teas too.

 

[jbarsk8]

Never ever seen neem make a plant do that. Unless maybe you sprayed with the sun out they'd obviously be fried. Id definitely say mites even if you haven't seen them. Your doing a good job boosing micro, health, and immune system. Insect frass is some good stuff to top dress with as well.

 

[HatchBrew]

Thanks all for the help.

Top dressed with insect frass, ewc, kelp.

Sprayed Met-52 last night. Going be out again every night messing up these little bugs lives.

Shit-sandwich for them, not me!

 

[Chunk O'Funk]

Hell yea man, I like to see your attitude changed! You're not alone, trust me. Everyone I know is fighting these at some degree. Just keep up on spraying. Don't stop til harvest. I'm using met 52 @ 1/4 tsp per gal along with 1 tsp per gal of yucca and this product called Guard @ 1/8 tsp per gal, all in one spray every 2-3 days. I first noticed the russets a month ago, and im still green and growing everyday. Just about everything has flipped to flower and the budsites look great, nice and thick milky white. So id say something is working. Good luck man, and share your progress and techniques.

 

[HatchBrew]

Hell yea man, I like to see your attitude changed! You're not alone, trust me. Everyone I know is fighting these at some degree. Just keep up on spraying. Don't stop til harvest. I'm using met 52 @ 1/4 tsp per gal along with 1 tsp per gal of yucca and this product called Guard @ 1/8 tsp per gal, all in one spray every 2-3 days. I first noticed the russets a month ago, and im still green and growing everyday. Just about everything has flipped to flower and the budsites look great, nice and thick milky white. So id say something is working. Good luck man, and share your progress and techniques.

I've used it at 2 t per gallon so far. Sprayed all leaves, stems, soil surfarce, and area around the patch. Will tone down rate per gallon after the first week.
Are you using any other sprays-neem, spinosad, essential oils or B.T. ?

 

[Mikell]

So, still no ID?

 

[HatchBrew]

I'm scoping and looking for them. But no, I haven't given a positive ID on my exact problem. Plants health was declining, and the pictures show that something was/is happening. Haven't and won't use anything nasty. But being extra vigilant and boosting immune & health of the plant.
What do you think I should do?
How them peppers going for you this year?

 

[Mikell]

Pretty much exactly what you're doing.

It's a little common in these parts to assume something and follow a course of treatment that may or may not be needed, which could cloud out what may really be the issue. Preventative/immune boosting is a good idea while trying to diagnose but I would be hesitant to give them the full monty. Again, what it looks like you're doing, I just wanted to give a poke

Not bad. The two stragglers are setting fruit but it's fairly late and they'll probably end up in the compost pile. Harvested a few dozen fatalii. Made some poppers and repaid the neighbourhood Bean Fairy that ties bags of beans to the front door handle in the wee hours of the morning. Not sure if she will enjoy them but they aren't much hotter than a hab if at all.

 

[HatchBrew]

Pretty much exactly what you're doing.

It's a little common in these parts to assume something and follow a course of treatment that may or may not be needed, which could cloud out what may really be the issue. Preventative/immune boosting is a good idea while trying to diagnose but I would be hesitant to give them the full monty. Again, what it looks like you're doing, I just wanted to give a poke

Not bad. The two stragglers are setting fruit but it's fairly late and they'll probably end up in the compost pile. Harvested a few dozen fatalii. Made some poppers and repaid the neighbourhood Bean Fairy that ties bags of beans to the front door handle in the wee hours of the morning. Not sure if she will enjoy them but they aren't much hotter than a hab if at all.

My thai's are loving life and getting loaded with fruit.