"Help Needed" First Grow Box, First Grow

[cobo]

Right folks, going to start my first grow, always wanted to grow, but now in Ireland all we can buy is soap bar, and its all the same from one end of the country to the other, so I’m fed up getting ripped off for a load of sh** , so here is my idea , and any and all help along the way will be Very much welcome ,I live by my self in up stairs apartment, I never get bothered, because I don’t answer the door to anyone unless I know they are coming first and they all know this, but any way I’ve been look at small grow boxes and feel this is the way I want to go and I’m sitting here thinking where will I get one and I noticed there way one right here in living room, I think it will only need a few alterations to get me started,.
I don’t want to use heavy duty lights as its a small space.... 19" height, 32" across, 16" deep, also some time I may have to go away for a week and wouldn’t trust the lights if I wasn’t there through the week, here is a few pics of the box I was thinking of using, PLEASE let me know what you think . I can take out the divider in the middle .





Today I bought this NFT HYDROPONICS GROWING KIT on Ebay for 41 pound str. What do you think , does the price sound right to you’s ?????
Here is a link to ebay to read up on it if you like , http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7755095195




So about the light, this is where I really need advice !! I was thinking of using about 4 125w Envirolite, does anyone know anything about flowering with these or will I just be wasting my time, like I said I don’t want to use hid lights because i'm not always here. I was also thinking of putting 2 florescent tubes on Both the left hand side and right hand side of the box, this also where I need help to, what sort of florescent tubes should I be looking for ???????????????


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I was thinking of running ventilation pipe to the fireplace beside the box, dose that sound ok ???? , Also need a bit of help with that as well any one know how to make a carbon filter?
I suppose that’s enough to get me started to the road to heaven, like I said all comments are welcome and looking forward to them Cheers. COBO



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[Guest]

Well, I for one think that "yes", you can make those Envirolites work in the cab you show in your pics. Though, as you said, you'll still need to provide for some kind of ventilation, you won't have the heat problems of HID lights. If you're going to use four of them, then I'd suggest mixing up the spectrums. Buy 2 cool whites (6400K) and 2 warm (2700K) lights...and mount one of each on both sides as you described.

Now, I have a question for you. What is that black thing with the yellow sides between the cab & the fire box??

Wish you all the best with your project!!

Bh

 

[cobo]

that my cd storage case , so u think i'll be able to get away using the envorolite in cab, now what seeds would u suggest , remembering im using a cab, and how many plants wud fit in to it????????


so Bipedalhominid do u think that the envirolite will work ok was thinking of putting 3 or 4 on the roof of the cab , Envirolite Lamp Reflector is to big to fit it the cab at 1 meter long as sugestion ?????

 

[Guest]

Yes, the lights you are interested in will work ok if that's what you feel you need to use. However, if fitting them into your cab is a problem, you might consider a small HPS light...perhaps a 150 W. Otherwise you'll have to think about either modifying the cab to fit the light or modifying the lights to fit the cab. You may be able to find just the sockets for the lights & then make your own refector.......but I don't know what's available in your part of the world.
Now for a small space....grow an indica & learn about LST. That's low stress training where you tie the plant over to get it to grow short & the lower branches grow faster. Looks like you could probably get 3 maybe even 4 plants in your cab. Try to get square pots if you can.

Bh

 

[cobo]

MY FIRST GROW

MY FIRST GROW

Change of plans now, was going to have a cabinet grow, but come up with what I think is a better idea, I have this spare wardrobe in my room only use it for the laundry basket and it looks the better idea, (let me know what you’s think please) also ordered my hydro system yesterday. As i’m going to be using envirolites ordered 2 x125w white and 2 x 125w red for flowering I dint need the lights for the system I bought the Quality Starter Kit 4-12 plants - £449 from http://www.1-hydroponics.com/starter-kits.htm have a look and let me know what you think about it, as I said I got it without the light and ballast, they gave me a fair quote (I think) of £284 which I thought wasn’t bad, but after another phone call and a bit of haggling I got it for £250 all in postage and all . WAS THIS A GOOD DEAL ??[/B]?/(4 pod hydroponic flood & drain system, timer, propagator, nutrients: grow, bloom & bloom boost, pH test kit, pH up & pH down, clay pebbles & rockwool blocks, hook plates & hanging chain 5m, 5m of mylar reflective sheeting.)
Pod system size: 700mm x 600mm x 450mm high.
Reservoir volume: 50 litres




I backed a couple of winners at races the day before so I put it away to start my first grow.



Here is my warerobe im using, my landlord wud be pissed if i cut a hole in the door for a filter thats why i got the vaportek (Vapourtek neutralises strong odours. However, it doesn't replace carbon filters in a growing environment, but can be useful in dealing with odours from adjoining rooms. The Silver Bullet Ozone Generator encourages plant growth. It also discourages insects but primarily dissolves odours. This is a tried and tested safe domestic appliance.)





Will you’s have a look at it and let me know what u think was it a good enough deal, I also bought a Vaportek (round one) for £95 got it for £80 when I told them I seen it for that price , i was talking to Tokabowl about it as he got one him self and said its working perfectly.
and the vaportek




So the starter kit without the lights cost me £330 the lights I’m getting for free because the fella who’s getting me them owes me a few good turns as i've done him some and he has millions anyway and i'm skint .lol. He doesn’t know he’s paying for them yet but if he asks I’ll telling him what i told you there. Lol anyway he has an electrical shop, im getting them on Monday.
Ordered my seeds yesterday from https://www.buydutchseeds.com I ordered the following 2 sets of seeds Bubbelicious (Bubble Gum) £21.80
Bubbelicious (Bubble Gum), also known as Bubble Gum is a medium tall, usually not too branchy (sometimes stretchy) plant, producing compact, crystal covered buds. Originally the Bubble Gum was developed by growers in Indiana, USA. From there the genetics moved to New England and eventually Holland. lt took many generations to finally produce this stable Bubble Gum, with the characteristic, sweet smell (truly resembling a typical bubble gum taste) and euphoric high; the original trademarks of this famous strain. The only inbred strain (no F1 hybrid) in the Serious menu. Winner of two awards in the High Times Cannabis Cup of 1994, a 2nd place in 1995 and again a 2nd prize in 1999, giving Bubble Gum a total of 4 awards from the judges.

º Packet contain 10 seeds

º Plant height: Short Plant
º Stoned or high?: Stoned INDICA
º THC level: High THC
º Flowering Weeks: 8/9
º Yield : 300/400
º Harvest Month: 10

http://www.buydutchseeds.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=34 and Indoor Mix (Master Kush, Afghan, Pure Power Plant and Skunk #1, and Nirvana Special! ) £29.24

5 of our most popular indoor varieties in one package! These popular selections are, Master Kush, Afghan, Pure Power Plant and Skunk #1, and Nirvana Special! This selection provides you excellent varieties as well as quality genetics, which in turn will bring you pleasure and your indoor garden to life. These quality seed selections are suitable for a variety of growing methods year round. An outstanding selection and value!

º Packet contain 10 seeds

º Plant height: Medium Plant
º Stoned or high?: Medium Indica/Sativa
º THC level: High THC
º Flowering Weeks: 8/12
º Yield : 400/600
º Harvest Month: 8/10
Has any one had any dealings with https://www.buydutchseeds.com in the past, I read a few people who said that they were good to deal with.
What do you think of the strains I got (remembering this is my first ever grow ) all i need now is 2 reflecctors which i seen for 18 quid each online(cheap ones but will do for now ... http://www.theonlineelectricalwholesaler.com/catalog/add_to_cart.php?pid=176&keywords=REFLECTOR

so any advice for me , will be up in running in next week or two ???????????

 

[Tokabowl]

Yea those reflectors arent bad, im pretty sure theyre the same i got, they are really wide tho: bout 16 inches, and fit the envirolites well... theonlineelectrical wholesaler are great, fast and discreet shipping, and everything is soo cheap
You might want to consider using LST - low stress training or doing a srog - screen of green to get the best outta your lights, because the envirolights dont penetrate the canopy as well as HIDs...
Heres a great thread on LST: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=6090&highlight=caprichoso
props to Caprichoso
and heres a nice scrog thread by m.steelers: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=10162&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Scrog

Hope this helps, best of luck

Peace

not soapbar

 

[Rocks]

rather than the reflectors you considered covering the upper part of the cab with mylar or something similar more reflective surface and probably cost you less

 

[marimbas]

Before i landed here over 1 year ago, i bought seeds of Buydutchseeds, they werent the best, neather was their customer service... also i got many hermies..

 

[cobo]

whats hermies ??????

 

[marimbas]

hermafrodites plants with both sexs, males and females... no good

 

[cobo]

Thanks mate I will keep my eye open for that, that’s all I would need, i got a pukka seed cataloge and they are a british based company selling pukka seeds, the doggie nuts, sensi seedbank, dutch passion, sagarmatha, paradise, and green house.

They are very pricey but they say they will match the price of any other seed shop, so might give them a try next time.Pukka Seed Company say that it is perfectly legal for them to post seeds in UK if they sell them as a souvenirs as shown below .

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[cobo]

Thanks Rocks, maylar comes with my kit so might just hold of with the reflectors for awhile, and see how that works out, bout 8m of black and white sheeting today, just waiting for my kit to arrive, im expecting it tomorrow, the hydro shop in Belfast where I bought the black and white sells Serious Seeds and a few others, and looks like everything I will need, will be close at hand.

Would it make any difference if I hunk the enviro's vertically or horizontally ?????



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[marimbas]

why dont you jsut buy at www.seedboutique.com they are the sponsors of this site man, and they are simply the best.

 

[cobo]

might do so next time..

 

[cobo]

I’ve decided that i'm going to use the wardrobe as my grow room, a couple of questions, as i’m going to be using envirolites
,i’m hoping that heat will not be a problem as I have to close the doors i’m going to buy a cheap Fan to put in the grow
room. I have got the vaportek for any smells coming from the room.

Do you think I will be ok heat wise with the doors closed? Its not an option to cut the doors in anyway,
my land lord would be a bit Pissed with me to say the least J but in the closets roof there is a cubert space and I could drill
a few holes in it if needed ??

Cleaned out the wardrobe with a solution of bleach and flash, and for good measure I use Detol anti-bacterial surface cleaner,
just to be sure to be sure, you know your self ;-)

Fixed in some wood slates to help me along and covered the floor with black and white sheeting and used silver duct tape to
get a clean fit, covered one of the doors with black and white but then ran out of tape. ARRRRRRRRR

Will finish it tomorrow ,the walls of the robe are already painted with a flat white paint so nothing to do there, hopefully kit will arrive tomorrow
There is still some light coming in through the crack between wall and wood but I will just either tape black and white or just run tape
down along it, think that will do it.

I was thinking of dividing the grow space in 2 so as I could have a veggie room and a flowering room all in the same space,
but dividing it with the blck and whiteWhat do you’s think ?? Might do it after first grow don’t want to be doing too much at the start

Will finish it tomorrow ,the walls of the robe are already painted with a flat white paint so nothing to do there, hopefully kit will arrive tomorrow
There is still some light coming in through the crack between wall and wood but I will just either tape black and white or just run tape down along it, think that will do it.






Sorry pics are not great will get some better one tomorro when i have better light




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[Tokabowl]

Hey cobo, good job preparin ur wardrobe, cant wait to see you growin
Im also currently flowering under envirolights (2x200W red ones) and a 150W hps and so far they seem to be doing a good job:

Although the envirolights dont give out as much heat as the HIDs, they still heat up a fair bit (the bulbs arent v.hot, u can touch them any time, but the ballasts still heat alot), so i think that if u keep your doors completely shut while the lights are on, ur still gonna temp issues... i see theres another cupboard above your wardrobe... maybe you could open a 4" hole through the ceiling of ur wardrobe into that cupboard? that way you could have an inline fan (TD-160 for example : http://www.hydroponic-shop.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_78&products_id=639) which will give u proper ventilation... but would set u back another 50 quid... although u would need to have air intakes anyway, so u would still need to a door ajar (unless u can also cut through the side of the wardrobe into the 2nd one u got on the left of it... lol, that way u could have the doors closed at all times, and if u stick the vapourtek in the wardrobe on the left, u would have a smell-proof thing going on too! ).
If ur landlord doesnt see the modifications before you move out, it doesnt really matter (and he shouldnt be lookin in ur cupboards/wardrobes anyway), and its your deposit that might suffer (and probably will), but theres always someway to make up for that...
Stay safe and happy planning
Peace

 

[cobo]

Received my hydro kit today, everything was great, just one thing they didn’t send me lift out pots, but got on the phone and they said they would send them post them today, the inner pots come with the deluxe model, I think it was an extra 30 quid but I thought it would be well worth it if you could lift the pot out anytime for what ever reason, thought it would be handy.









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[cobo]

just got a confirmation the seeds have been posted , so any day now i will be ready to start

 

[Tokabowl]

Hey Cobo,
Hows it goin along? You received your seeds yet? What strain(s) did u order? You figured something out for the ventilation? Hope everything is ready to go, keep us updated on whats happenin man, i'd love to follow your lil closet grow with the envirolights! (speakin of which, what enviros did you end up getting in the end? 125 watters, 200 watters, how many?)

Safe, laters


T

 

[cobo]

Glad to be back online, well thing are progressing along nicely, got the seeds sprout and planted, I have pictures of the grow from sprouting, but there on my laptop and I don’t have it at the minute, but as soon as I get it, I will post them, everything seems to going ok, except for one plant which has what I can only describe as rusty patches on 2 leafs, the plant its self looks healthy,

I used 8 seeds and 7 sprouted, so after a few more days I germinated 1 more seed (bubblegum), want 4 ladies so thought 50. 50 chance .I germinated 4 bubblegum and 4 of the nirvana indoor mix (Master Kush, Afghan, Pure Power Plant and Skunk #1, and Nirvana Special! This). So it will be hard for me to say which 1 is which, just call them the mix from now on.


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