Help!! Need the experts...

[Captain Hook]

okay... here's the scenerio.

3 plants... all the same strain, all in the same dirt, same size pots, same water, same same same same.

Except for one thing:

1 plant isn't LOOKING the same at all.

It looks like it's partially wilting all the time.. the other 2 don't.
The tips of some of it's leaves are curing under... it is not growing as
quickly as the others and overall it looks sickly.
Leaves ARE NOT browning, spotty, or dying off (yet!!)...
overall it's just this general look of wilt and more recently the curling under of the leaf tips.

This is NOT a watering problem... they're allowed to dry properly before watering, and they aren't allowed to dry so much that they've ever wilted - so it can't be under or over watering.... it's got to be something else.

Any ideas or help would be appreciated!!

I'd post pics but these aren't my plants... they're a friend's and he lives in another city so I cannot actually see them - he asked for my advice & he doesn't have access to the net (I couldn't imagine what the problem is) so I offered to see what I could find here by asking all you experts.

thanks,

Cap'n Hook

 

[Guest]

lol

 

[DJ Twist]

Had the EXACT thing happen to me...

Out of 4 plants, I had 1 that looked like you describe. It ended up being male, so I didn't worry about it. I never figured out what it was...

 

[Captain Hook]

hmm... well I'm sure it's not a male because they're all clones that I gave to him (they all came from the same mother). ??

& what's the "lol" thing about, 420KM? It's funny that someone's having trouble? I thought this forum was for people who need help.

 

[Guest]

well its cool that you are trying to help out a friends who has plants that are not even yours but to come here and ask for experts with no pics is funny. IC has world famous members with articals in high times to the best seed breeders as well as commerical growers.

maybe you better do a search before you post your threads

as for the 1st of the 3 plants i wouldnt even try to help it if they are all getting the same treatment then its no good. it may have been contaminated while it was first cut. anything less that 15 plants is a waste.

 

[Captain Hook]

420

Thanks for your advice (although is wasn't very helpfull).
3 plants is plenty for a cancer patient who isn't able to eat without his medicine.
Maybe 15 is the minimum if you're selling your dope... he isn't.
And while I'm sure it's of no interest to you, I'm no newbie... just
switched handles because of all the chaos.... I had 3 times as many posts as you do
when I changed over. And I'm well aware of the many great reads such as the more recent articles by DJ... I also understand how to use the search function...
the bottom line is (and while you seem to know the site well, maybe you missed this little detail) that this forum is here for people to ask questions and get advice regarding thier sick plants... and of course it's better if you can post pics, but my friend has enough trouble taking a piss or watering his plants.. he doesn't even have internet access, so he couldn't take or provide pics and I felt that his description was enough
to make my post/question worth asking. And as it happened, his description was enough for me to figure out that he wasn't ferting enough (as they say... when troubleshooting it's usually the most obvious problem/solution)...

Turns out that after he gave them a nice dose of ferts
(because I suggested it to him after a little more Q & A) his plant is looking
better than ever & just like the others now... did it cross your mind that the plant might have been starving? Or did it just not matter because he isn't a commercial gardener?

I'm not interested in starting a long drawn out arguement (although it may appear otherwise) but I must say that your remarks were innapropriately condescending and not appreciated. Makes one feel sorry for the real newbies... you should try to be a little more friendly/helpfull if you're actually going to take the time to post in a thread like the one I started. It's one thing to get "smart" with the typical smart-ass newbie who won't listen to you and argues with most (if not all of) your advice... I'm sure you've seen and/or tried to help as many as I have... but it's something else entirely to make someone feel stupid when all they're trying to do is learn something by being humble enough to ask questions, don't you think?
Take care,
Cap'n

PS I know people who pull 12-14 ounces out of one plant... so you're wrong (and misleading people) to say that less than 15 isn't even worth it.

 

[DJ Twist]

Hook - Sorry you didn't get the help you need. Glad to hear you figured out the problem. If your friend has the funds, he should look into getting meters to measure pH, ppm, tds, temps, rh, etc. and problems are easier to figure out.

Your question was a little vague - It's hard to diagnose without seeing it or knowing more about the grow.

I didn't mean my plant being male had anything to do with it. They showed sex right after one started to look bad, so I never worried about what it was.

I hope you aren't discouraged from asking questions in the future.

 

[Guest]

Wow you must be another OG/CW person

NO THANKS IM NOT INTRESTED

 

[DJ Twist]

Wow you must be another OG/CW person

NO THANKS IM NOT INTRESTED

Then why even post in this thread?

Did you just come here to rip on someone that was asking for help?

Way to support the cause.

Oh, yeah, and I'm an ex-OG'er, so I guess I'm inferior as well.

 

[Captain Hook]

First of all, 420, it has been you, my friend... and not I, who has been acting in a manner which would fit the stereotype people associate with OGers.... you're comment "no thanks" is a little (LOT) late since it was you (from the very beginning) who was posting negative, unfriendly, and irritating material. You shouldn't have posted here in the first place because "If you don't have anything nice to say... "

Second, it is at this point that you have officially made yourself look like a jerk-off - brilliant!

DJ - thank you for your comments. While you may be an OG refugee, you're obviously not someone who fits into the stereotype I just referred to. I really appreciate you chiming.... It's nice to see someone else putting Mr. 420 in his place.

420 - I'll make you a deal, kid (you should know all about deals... what with your gigantic "worthwhile" commercial crops that exceed 14 plants)....
if you don't post in this thread again I won't either. My guess is that you won't be able to stand it.... me having the last word & all. That would be typical of someone of your calibur (you know... the x-OG'er who DOESN'T understand respect and courtesy). Just the same, my offer stands. Actually, since the originall problem has been solved there really isn't any reason for anyone to post here again at all.

High Seas (of green!)
Cap'n

 

[Captain Hook]

Hook - Sorry you didn't get the help you need. Glad to hear you figured out the problem. If your friend has the funds, he should look into getting meters to measure pH, ppm, tds, temps, rh, etc. and problems are easier to figure out.

Your question was a little vague - It's hard to diagnose without seeing it or knowing more about the grow.

I didn't mean my plant being male had anything to do with it. They showed sex right after one started to look bad, so I never worried about what it was.

I hope you aren't discouraged from asking questions in the future.

Thanks... and no I'm not discouraged at all. I did advise my friend to get a couple meters... if he'd been checking his runoff I don't think any of this would have ever happened. Once again thanks for your positive comments and for sharing your experience... someone somewhere (can't remember who) told me that's what we're SUPPOSED to do in this forum. You're definately not INFERIOR and you're also (obviously) not the kind of OG'er people wish to avoid. And to 420, I'm damned proud to be a CW refugee. CW was a fantastic site with a ton of excellent people. You would have loved it in spite all the fact that you would have felt completely out of place.
CH

PS yeah I know I posted one more time... but I wanted to comment on DJ's post. Done now. Promise!

 

[2buds]

Don't get discouraged Hook, no need to throw gas on the fire, just let it burn out. So nutes fixed a wilter. Question about checking runoff, so you get your meter, do you test what your pouring in then collect the runoff and retest or just test the runoff? When collecting runoff, do you catch as much as possible or the early runoff, late runoff, or ...?So far my testing has been a soil test kit that checks Ph-N-P-K each individually, Seems fairly accurate so far. Led me right with a Ph issue.

 

[Captain Hook]

UH OH... here I go breaking my promise.. but it's to help (hopefully!)...

2Buds,

If you're trying to get details regarding the condition of your soil, this is the way I would check runoff.

Water using plain ph'd H20. When you get to the point that it's draining at a decent rate, collect enough to do your testing. Then compare the levels of what you tested to the plain water.... now you've got a decent idea of what's happening with your soil... for example, if your plain water is ph'd at 5.9 but the runoff is closer to 7, it's safe to assume that you need to bring the ph down (do this by flushing water which is ph'd at or a little below the level you'd like your soil to be)...

Basically the same thing with ppm - if the runoff is super low or super high you'd either do some flushing or hit your girl with some ferts.

I hope that answers your question. Any other questions just ask. Someone's bound to have an answer!

High Seas,
Cap'n

 

[DJ Twist]

2buds, what that the soil test kit that comes with test tubes and some kind of pills in packets?

I saw a soil test kit at Lowes, but wasn't sure if it was good.

 

[2buds]

Been away for a while.

Captain Hook, Thanks alot for the answer. Its what I was thinking but a little clarity from someone experienced is always appreciated, always, Thanks.

Dj- The kit I found had four different testers, not tube shaped but square shaped(not being nit picky) and yes had little colored capsules, 10 of each for Ph, nitrogen, pottasium and whatever the other is, the whole NPK thing. Seems to help, my plants are looking better. I will say the capsules are a pain in the ars to open without spilling, almost easier to cut them open with a razor. I'm finding proper soil preparation and time for stabilazation from additives is helping things.

Peace

 

[glasspackedbowl]

I know this is an old thead. But Try using a salt leach. It seams that one plant has too many of a certin kind of nutes and its makin the leafs curl under.