Help! My seedling is......

[friendlyfriend]

I am growing lifesaver and jacks cleaner and white rhino and finally nlx g13 and i got a lil problem... I started a lifesaver in a peat cube but only after of week in the seedling stage i assume it needs more space so im gonna put the lifesaver seedling in a nice soiless mix but ohh do i got a problem....heres a lil history first.

So my last grow was a sausage party ( all boys and a 90%hermie male) and Towards the end i developed a whitefly infestation that was snacking on my kids like there was no tommorrow. And finally after the genocide (putting them to rest {killing the boys}) I took care of the flies and cleaned the room up. I dont see anymore but yesterday i looked at the lovely lifesaver baby and it have like lil bite marks! Looks like the flies where back so i checked the space and no flies. Today i take a peak and OMG more pieces lil pieces missing. Could it be im underwatering or are the whiteflies smart now and hide when they dectect my presence or something else! i wish i had a cam to show you guys whats really going on but i dont. I really really really dont want it to die and my next move is a transplant into spaghum moss and perlite mix.
Is there another type of bug that snacks on seedlings like that (biting lil chunks of fresh green here and there? please help me

 

[Crazy Composer]

Try neem oil. It's so safe you can drink it and feed it to your kids in their cereal. And it prevents infestations from reocurring - for most insect we've ever used it on.

Neem can clear the place up within a few days and keep them from returning for quite a while.

cc

 

[clearcutter]

neem oil?

neem oil?

Could some one tell me what neem oil is, and where it can be bought? Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Little bite marks? I doubt it is a deficency, it sounds like some kind of insect or pest.

You had a white fly infestation?

I have never had a white fly infestation, but I know some things about them. I know that they lay their eggs on the underside of well protected leaves, not in the soil. They will be small eggs and hard to see. These eggs can hatch fast, within a week. Once they have hatched the babies need food immediatly and the food that they need is plant sap.

White flies have piercing jaws which allows them to drink plant sap. Leaves affected by white flies can turn brown and promote the decay of the leaf, also promoting bacteria growth etc.

I think white flies are also known to produce honeydew which can attract other bugs and crap to your garden. This honeydew stuff can also turn into some kind of mold - "black sooty".

Plants being drained of their sap can be weaker and more susceptable to enviromental hazards.

White flies can be extremely hard to get rid of, and can wreck havok on your garden.

I don't know if neem oil will get rid of this pest, Crazy Composer if it is white flies would it be cool to apply neem oil to the underside of FF's leaves? CC usually knows what he is talking about so it probably works.

The thing I am thinking is, when these larvae are feeding off the plants sap, do they need to bite holes in the leaves? I was always under the impression that white flies "sucked: the sap... And if not that surely must mean this is another pest?

 

[Guest]

I just read some info claiming types of oil can be used to combat white fly, damaging the larvae and making it hard for the powdery insects to move about.

Go with Neem if it is white fly.

Check out under the leaves and see if you can see any lil' fuckers

 

[Guest]

If this is an indoor garden you are probably contracting the flies from outside. Have you been noticing infestation on any of your other plants? Houseplants? Rose bushes out front?

Even if you get rid of the pest inside your house you better make sure no more get inside. Take out any more infestations you find.

When you cleaned up the room, did you still have surviving plants or were all these beans planted post "sausage party"?

 

[friendlyfriend]

THANKS BOTH OF YOU...

THANKS BOTH OF YOU...

well thanks nate and yes i did recently germinate (10 days ago) after not growing in a month and a half. But this is what it seemed like to me.


So after i post i go check again and i knowticed that little root hairs were coming out the side off the peat cube and then it hit me. omg we are over due for a transplant. when i peeled off the peat cube netting there were at least 9 roots growing out of the netting and the tap root was on its way out too. So i transplanted and hopefully things will go better from here but the bite marks still got me thinking the whiteflies are there..
I think those flies/gnats originated from old bananas from another part of the house a while back. fruitflies maybe. but there is no sign of them in the growing area. I appreciate your help and thats why im happy to consider this forum a home for me and people like CC and Nate friends. I will keep you guys posted in a couple days as to where this lil lifesaver is going! I still have high hopes for her and folks we got three more lifesavers on the way! yes they germed well in my kitchen and should be ready for pots in another couple days. but if i did learn a lesson here its PEAT ROOT CUBES are something i will refrain from using AGAIN!

THANKS AGAIN FRIENDS

 

[Guest]

Yeah I have tried the peat cups, I did em right alongside some in seedlings in party cups and you can guess which one did better

 

[Guest]

Those Jiffy-7 pellets suck also.

I killed alot of seeds /seedlings with them

Tex

 

[friendlyfriend]

also for whoever runs across this thread note that miracle grow soil is horrible and shouldnt be used unless maybe you throw in 1/2 perlite into mix. my two cents on that but in 48 hours the truth will comeout! till then

 

[syko2]

just a few thoughts first off if you have a reinfestation the young bugs what ever they are will be hard to detect at first becouse they are so small. I have not tried neem (yet) but I hear it works wonders. Fly traps will help you catch them also and adding a layer of perlite to the top of your soiless mix will help keep them from laying their egg's. If you gotten bug's befor your sure to get them again. Prevention is kep. Learn their habbits and breeding times to catch the larva.

Next, the soiless mix in not a good mix IMO. Peat even mixed with perlite will couse you PH and nutrient def. in the long run. I would add some type of soiless mix or vemiculite or even potting soil even just a small amount will help the mix out alot.

MGro is not the best by far but you need to know how to use it that's all. I use their transplant/starter fert 4-12-4 and soiless mix with a N-P-K added to my over all mix with great results. My soil/soiless mix is:

I use x1 bag pro-mix, x1 bag soiless MGro 3-1-2 x1 brick of Coco
x2 bag's shultz perlite x1 bag potting soil

I mix at the rate of...

Pro-mix 2 parts
MGro soiless 3-1-2 1 part
coco 1 part
potting soil 2 parts
perlite 3 parts
bone/blood meal 1/2 each per 7 galons
1/4th cup epsom salt per 7 galon

The Pro-mix has lime so it help's with the PH and the epsom adds salfer and mag wich MGro lacks. I feed with Thrive Alive red to help heat up the microbes and the B-1 and hummus is great for plants to help with rooting and stress just to mention a few. I feed with Shulz 10-15-10 in veg and Shultz 10-60-10 bloom in flowering and 5-11-26 hydroponic nutrient every now and then for micro/macro's...

Vary good results!!!!!!!!

 

[mybeans420]

BITE MARKS??? sounds like some type of caterpiller to me. if it is then a soil drench of baccillus thuringenensis would help. it's a bacteria that infects most caterpillars and worms
but the fact is that you MUST IDENTIFY the pest first.
otherwise you won't know if your doing your plants any good.

neem can also be used as a soil drench. it has systemic properties that can last as long as a month. just don't do it within a month of harvest.

bite marks you say? i've never had anything like that. wish i could be more help but i'm stumped. caterpillars are the only thing that comes to mind. then again there are a whole range of chewing insects out there. lacebugs, grasshoppers, the list is really endless.
i doubt that it's whiteflies doing that kind of damage. they aren't chewers. they suck
first things first, FIND THAT BUG!!!
give us a description, it will go a long way in getting you the help you need