Help My mothers are dieing...

[Blunted22]

Ok so about a week or a week in a half ago i get the call that the mothers are nuteburned and are being flushed. Ok well they are 4 to 5 feet tall and should be able to recover. Well i go over there today and i see my moms and almost cried. They are brown and shriveled startign from the bottom up. i got maybe a foot or more of green growth that has curling leafes with the edges burned and yellowing from the outside of burn area going towards the viens which are all still green.


The new nodes are life a brown deadish color and look like crap i have pic only with cell phone but cant find a way to get them on the computer without sending them through verizon so unless you guys know a way i dont have pics.

i dont know whats going on the leafs are cuppign and curling under like it was overwatered from the flush but its been a week now and even some of the newer growthis curling and browning. Its been fed strait water from after flush. The new nodes just dont look healthy.

I took 40 cuts from one plant and 10 of those died the ones that made it have great root growth but are also burned and some of the nodes look almost dead.

Is this just a nute burn that aitn recovering? Also the new growth is growing but how is that getting burned and browned?

For a better idea of the plants look liek picture 3 5 foot plants with 3ft of dead leafs brown crinkled dry dead leafs And on the top you have abotu a foot of green leafes that are kinda burnt and the new growth looks liek shit.


Also i wanted to note that the new growth nodes are redicoulsly close together. I mean like an inch or less in most cases very wierd i dont know what to make of it

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[beancounter]

take cutz of the green ASAP and start new mothers.. probly yer only real chance of keeping those genes around.. or at least take a few cuts of each if u don't wanna risk yer whole plants with this method..

as soon as the cuts are in water and then being rooted they should jus perk up and root normally.. leave the cuts in water with a splash of H202 for a coupl hrs and u should see them perk up..


I keep all my mums and fathers in 3" pots for up to 9 months+ at a time.. the only time I loose the odd mum is from symtoms exactly like u describe, which I believe to be an extreme PH lock out jus from time/salt build up.. The only times I've been able to save them if by doing what I described above.. using the good green growth that's left (not for long) to take new clones..

I've tried everything, flushing, transplants, etc etc, and find it best/easiest jus to renew my mums..

good luck..

yes H202 = hydrogen peroxide

 

[Blunted22]

Yea we are doing that now man but even the new growth looks like shit. Im just pissed cause we harvested today and we have nothing to put back on the table and its going to be along while before these are ready. We just planted 33 moms in 4in RW today going to grow out as many as possible till we get a full table take cuts root and throw away all moms but 6.

Sorry if im dumb but h202 = peroxide?

 

[Blunted22]

Ok lets say i have them transplanted into 4's now is there anyway to give them H202 or will i have to mix it in with the next watering?

 

[Brian1975]

"They are brown and shriveled startign from the bottom up. i got maybe a foot or more of green growth that has curling leafes with the edges burned and yellowing from the outside of burn area going towards the viens which are all still green." Sounds like Mg deficient, either because it is unavailable due to some type of lockout or because it is lacking in the nutes used to feed it. Check PH. Have you used epsom in any of your waterings? After your flush, you should have gone back to your nutes at about half strength to redefine their happy spot. All this above, is pure speculation though , as we have no pics to look at and because I am not really a pot grower, I just play one on TV. If you have no pics, then using the Cannabis Infirmary form is the next best thing.
Strain? Hydroponic or soil?
From seed or clone?
Age of plant in question?
What stage (Veg/Flower; how many days into)?
Medium (Soil, Rockwool, Hydroton etc.)?
Container/Pot size?
Have they been transplanted, if so how long ago?
If soil, composition ratios (peat moss, perilite, vermiculite etc.)?
Water runoff Ph?
Nutrients added?
Ratios of nutrients (N% P% K%)?
Feeding schedule?
When were they last fed/watered?
How are you determining when to feed/water (weight, wilting, etc.)?
TDS/EC/PPM?
Tap/RO/Distilled water?
Ph before and after adding nutrients?
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated?
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage?
Distance to the canopy?
Temps at canopy?
Temps at root zone or reservoir?
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)?
Current air flow (CFM)?
Is there air blowing directly onto plant?
Using CO2?
Relative humidity?
Growing technique (Scrog, Sog, Supercropping etc.)?
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched?
Pests?
Chemicals used to irradicate?
If so,When?

Please, if this list is missing something, that you feel is important, feel free to elaborate further

 

[Blunted22]

medium - rockwool
potsize - 3 gal
Ph - around 5.8 to 6.1
Seed or clone - Cloned moms
Hydro or soil - hydro
age of plant - 4 months
stage - Veg (there moms)
Transplanted - no
If soil, composition ratios (peat moss, perilite, vermiculite etc.)? - NA
Water runoff Ph? Not sure grow with partner not sure if tested
Nutrients added? ionic grow and sprayed with fish emulisoin once
Ratios of nutrients (N% P% K%)? Not sure ratio's dont got bottles atm
Feeding schedule? Im guess twice or day i dont take care of them.
When were they last fed/watered?
How are you determining when to feed/water (weight, wilting, etc.)?Usually wieght of pot and how dry medium is on bottom and top i would suspect.
TDS/EC/PPM? Not sure but i know its check regularly
Tap/RO/Distilled water? Distilled
Ph before and after adding nutrients? check and corrected
Is your Ph equipment properly calibrated? 6 months old been working find since new
Light intensity/Age of bulb/Wattage? New bulb about 4 months ago they loved it
Distance to the canopy?6 inches or so
Temps at canopy?Not sure but i think its to hot (in attic)
Temps at root zone or reservoir?
Day/Night temps (Min.-Max.)?right now min55-60 max80ish but its going to get hotter moving it all to basement.
Current air flow (CFM)? just fans need better
Is there air blowing directly onto plant? yes
Using CO2? no
Relative humidity? not sure
Growing technique (Scrog, Sog, Supercropping etc.)?ebb n flo but that dont matter
Has plant recently been pruned, clones taken, fimmed or pinched? Took some clones cuase we thought it gonan die clones and plant both look liek shit
Pests? no
Chemicals used to irradicate?
If so,When?
Strain Ice and WW from nirvana both doing same thing but ice's seem to takeing it a bit harder.

 

[kryptron]

if I remember correctly, those nodes getting closer together may be a sign of zinc deficiency. are your new leaves coming in small and yellowing? could be a possibility. beyond that I dont have much to add, sry.

edit: you should get your partner to give you the specifics so's we can better help you.

 

[Blunted22]

yea i dont know my partner aint the biggest help hes killed our moms 4 times now and im strating to get annoyed.

 

[B.C.]

High Blunted

High Blunted

Have ya considered keepin in yer mums in soil,it's much more fergiving to not so good care givers.lol I think one of two things are happenin wit mums.Their either not gettin enough water and they are slowly eatin themselves up.Or they have so much salt build up in the RW that they are goin through reverse osmosis,pushin water(from inside the plant) back out the roots to push the salt away from itself.Imo salt is hard ta flush outa RW.I don;t understand why yer cuts would continue ta do this though unless they jus haven't had time ta recover yet? About the h2o2,it will kill any bad bio critters they may have picked up and it also adds extra oxygen.Jus add it to yer water....Well man,good luck wit em.I know how grow partners can be sometimes,so good luck there too.lol Take care..BC

 

[Blunted22]

yea thanks buddy it look like the moms 1 foot of growth might make it the nodes are literally like not even a 1/2 a inch apart if you look at it you would think that it was budding its wierd. The cuts itself were transfered into 4's and put under the 400w and seem to be recovering. Were watching the moms for farther damage and didnt take any more cuts because we thought it was startign to recover and takeing cuts might stress it out to much to pull through.

 

[imnotcrazy]

If you are determined to stick w/ the E&F for your moms, I'd suggest that you make the move to Hydroton. I tried 4" RW cubes in my E&F mother tray and dropped them like a bad habit. The RW wicks nutes right to the top of the medium whether you flood to the top of the cube or not and that's where the problems begin. From day one, the medium will begin to have "hotspots" and quite rapidly begins to screw up the works. Once I made the move to Hydroton for keeping moms in, I had healthy moms for 6+ months before I took down my whole setup.

 

[Blunted22]

yea these moms where about 4 months old before we had probs. i just think he wasnt paying attention or didnt measure something right and burned them. Or there was a buildup in the medium and we had a ph lock out.

 

[Blunted22]

btw the moms are not in a ebb and flo they are in 3 gal pots watered by hand.

 

[Growdoc]

medium - rockwool
potsize - 3 gal
Ph - around 5.8 to 6.1
Seed or clone - Cloned moms
Hydro or soil - hydro
age of plant - 4 months
stage - Veg (there moms)


Drop your PH down to 5.2-5.4
Flush with 3 times the normal water amount 1 time
Also mist your moms with the same flush solution.

They will come back

GrowDoc

 

[Blunted22]

yea i think that they are coming back im going over there today to make sure or if not to take cuts so i can save the other strain.