Heal the wound

[tiffa]

Just saw a bonsai master applying paste to his cut branches.

It got me thinking about my mother care, I can't just walk off and leave her all cut up after around of clones like she's been shived with a shank! so I gave her a spray of SB invigorator.

That might keep the viruses, fungus and bacteria away a little bit prevent loss of vigour.

Any other ideas for a tonic spray after a heavy slashing with a razor blade?

 

[troutman]

Fruit growers use grafting wax and you can buy it online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting_wax

Also Google "Junlinto,100g Tree Wound Bonsai Cut Paste Smear Agent Pruning Compound".

 

[tiffa]

Fruit growers use grafting wax and you cab buy it online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting_wax

Also Google "Junlinto,100g Tree Wound Bonsai Cut Paste Smear Agent Pruning Compound".

Interesting, thanks Troutman!
Baker team, they're all gone Sir.

 

[HempKat]

Just saw a bonsai master applying paste to his cut branches.

It got me thinking about my mother care, I can't just walk off and leave her all cut up after around of clones like she's been shived with a shank! so I gave her a spray of SB invigorator.

That might keep the viruses, fungus and bacteria away a little bit prevent loss of vigour.

Any other ideas for a tonic spray after a heavy slashing with a razor blade?

I don't have any ideas because I've never had to do anything like that with mothers I've kept. I get how it's easy to think like you just slashed your mother up and left her vulnerable to infection and such but if you keep a clean grow space and follow the right handling procedures as you take your cuts then you mother shouldn't be at any great risk that her own natural defenses can't handle. That being said though there is nothing wrong with being extra cautious.

 

[tiffa]

I don't have any ideas because I've never had to do anything like that with mothers I've kept. I get how it's easy to think like you just slashed your mother up and left her vulnerable to infection and such but if you keep a clean grow space and follow the right handling procedures as you take your cuts then you mother shouldn't be at any great risk that her own natural defenses can't handle. That being said though there is nothing wrong with being extra cautious.

I'd imagine growing in mud might help with healing via immunity too huh Hempkat? - I love mud now.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

Just saw a bonsai master applying paste to his cut branches.

It got me thinking about my mother care, I can't just walk off and leave her all cut up after around of clones like she's been shived with a shank! so I gave her a spray of SB invigorator.

That might keep the viruses, fungus and bacteria away a little bit prevent loss of vigour.

Any other ideas for a tonic spray after a heavy slashing with a razor blade?

...... if it's loss of future vigor in the mother plant you're worried about, I'd be worried about the stress caused by taking so many cuts off the mother at the same time.

You may want to do something systemic beforehand to make sure the mother is in tip top shape, as well as after the cut to aid in recovery.

I'd be thinking of using an easy-to-make lactobacillus tea to beef up immunity in addition to appropriate fert/minerals.

 

[HempKat]

I'd imagine growing in mud might help with healing via immunity too huh Hempkat? - I love mud now.

I wouldn't know, I grow in soil which isn't the same as mud. If you're growing in mud then at best the soil is overwatered which then can become a good environment for things that could infect the plant if the temps and air circulation aren't able to offset your overwatering to keep your soil from becoming mud. No what I'm talking about is having the temp, humidity and air exchange/ventilation dialed in. If it is then they will take care of things that might create an infection at least well enough for the plant to seal up it's wounds much like humans grow a scab over a cut. If you take the extra step of maintaining a good organic biozome then the beneficial microorganisms will also help keep your plant heathy since the relationship is symbiotic and therefore it's in their best interests to do so.

Still if it helps someone to feel better if they put what amounts to a bandage on their plant until it can grow it's version of a scab then there's nothing wrong with doing that. Now in a true bonsai I can see where it might be more necessary because you're forcing the plant to behave differently then it's meant to and that's probably more stressful. Maybe not though? I'm really not sure as I've never grown a true bonsai or anything even close to it. Maybe the bonsai grower, like the cannabis grower is just wanting to provide that extra level of protection regardless of the need because of all the time and care they put in to it?

 

[tiffa]

I wouldn't know, I grow in soil which isn't the same as mud. If you're growing in mud then at best the soil is overwatered which then can become a good environment for things that could infect the plant if the temps and air circulation aren't able to offset your overwatering to keep your soil from becoming mud. No what I'm talking about is having the temp, humidity and air exchange/ventilation dialed in. If it is then they will take care of things that might create an infection at least well enough for the plant to seal up it's wounds much like humans grow a scab over a cut. If you take the extra step of maintaining a good organic biozome then the beneficial microorganisms will also help keep your plant heathy since the relationship is symbiotic and therefore it's in their best interests to do so.

Still if it helps someone to feel better if they put what amounts to a bandage on their plant until it can grow it's version of a scab then there's nothing wrong with doing that. Now in a true bonsai I can see where it might be more necessary because you're forcing the plant to behave differently then it's meant to and that's probably more stressful. Maybe not though? I'm really not sure as I've never grown a true bonsai or anything even close to it. Maybe the bonsai grower, like the cannabis grower is just wanting to provide that extra level of protection regardless of the need because of all the time and care they put in to it?

When I say mud, I mean soil , ahem.

 

[HempKat]

When I say mud, I mean soil , ahem.

Okay, well I wasn't sure because to me mud is soil that has been oversaturated by water and as good as soil can be, when it is oversaturated with water it's not so good. Also just to avoid possible confusion not all soil is good. Some soil is better then others especially those loaded with lots of different organic nutrients and beneficial microbes. Soil soils are loaded with wood and sticks and then to make it seem good has chemical additives thrown in such a Miracle Grow for example.

 

[tiffa]

Okay, well I wasn't sure because to me mud is soil that has been oversaturated by water and as good as soil can be, when it is oversaturated with water it's not so good. Also just to avoid possible confusion not all soil is good. Some soil is better then others especially those loaded with lots of different organic nutrients and beneficial microbes. Soil soils are loaded with wood and sticks and then to make it seem good has chemical additives thrown in such a Miracle Grow for example.

Shut the fuck up. Do youwant some of THIS!?.....Do you?

Great input about the similarity to a scab

 

[HempKat]

Shut the fuck up. Do youwant some of THIS!?.....Do you?

Great input about the similarity to a scab

Awww did poor liddle tiffa get his feelings hurt?

 

[tiffa]

Awww did poor liddle tiffa get his feelings hurt?[/

'His'?..Yes very very much, I'm very cross, now fuck off.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Okay, well I wasn't sure because to me mud is soil that has been oversaturated by water and as good as soil can be, when it is oversaturated with water it's not so good. Also just to avoid possible confusion not all soil is good. Some soil is better then others especially those loaded with lots of different organic nutrients and beneficial microbes. Soil soils are loaded with wood and sticks and then to make it seem good has chemical additives thrown in such a Miracle Grow for example.

The bags of soil on my SIP bed get awful wet on the bottom, and the plants seem to dig it. They even stick roots several inches through the bag down into the damp perlite bed to reach the water. I will top-water a gallon onto the 10 gallon bag, which makes it really wet, and it is just fine. 'Soil' is fluff, drainage, and organic / mineral goodness, with a huge CEC. I believe the wetness makes ions, and helps the ions exchange. Microbes like the wet.

 

[HempKat]

The bags of soil on my SIP bed get awful wet on the bottom, and the plants seem to dig it. They even stick roots several inches through the bag down into the damp perlite bed to reach the water. I will top-water a gallon onto the 10 gallon bag, which makes it really wet, and it is just fine. 'Soil' is fluff, drainage, and organic / mineral goodness, with a huge CEC. I believe the wetness makes ions, and helps the ions exchange. Microbes like the wet.

Yeah but your situation is different then the typical soil grow in a planter. If I understand your method you depend more on the plant wicking up moisture from below. I would gather that means even though you water from the top like most any soil grow the water passes thru the soil pretty quickly and so the soil isn't terribly saturated except for maybe just at the base of the soil layer where the water is being wicked in. In the 3.5 month old post you're replying to I was responding to someone who described his medium as mud. Now it turns out he was just saying mud as a slang term for dirt but I didn't know that when I made the post I made. I thought he meant more like literal mud which I would read as overly saturated soil that isn't draining very well which would be very different from the environment your plants enjoy. In your case since you say some of the roots pass thru the bag to reach down into the perlite that tells me the soil layer is draining very well and is not mud like at all such that the roots sensing an abundance of moisture nearby are actually growing past their containment to reach into the nearby source of water.

 

[flylowgethigh]

The bag, even from just wicking, is pretty heavy. The rootball is pretty wet and packed after I finish chopping, so I leave them in a bin to dry a little. On the bed, if no top water is applied (that is how I feed added goodness), the soil on top looks dry. No aphids.

I don't have any clay in my soil, although I bet when the stuff is first made a powdered high Cation clay would help. I have some yellow clay here that turns to a charged powder when worked dry. Probably full of neg charge sites.