Haze males from old GHS lines

[Spaventa]

are you growing in soil later?

No, I’ve been using aero for years now. 10 maybe. Nuticulture Amazon systems, Canna Aqua. I have small Aerocloners too so no media of any kind normally, just root it cubes for seeds. Oh and of course, the kitchen paper towels

Edit - Don’t misunderstand that post though… I grew the finest Nevils in soil, my best C99 many Ace Hazes.
Soil is great and may even have the edge on terpene spectrum but it takes diligence and care I can no longer give my grows. Aero gives me great results with barebones simplicity. There’s not many unknown or variable factors with hydro generally. Take a while to get a given plants feeding and environment preferences dialled but when you reach the point where you just flower clones of the same mother you keep, it’s idiot proof and very little work. No media to buy, work with, recycle or dispose of.

 

[Spaventa]

3rd seed is up and running

 

[endgegner]

No, I’ve been using aero for years now. 10 maybe. Nuticulture Amazon systems, Canna Aqua. I have small Aerocloners too so no media of any kind normally, just root it cubes for seeds. Oh and of course, the kitchen paper towels

Edit - Don’t misunderstand that post though… I grew the finest Nevils in soil, my best C99 many Ace Hazes.
Soil is great and may even have the edge on terpene spectrum but it takes diligence and care I can no longer give my grows. Aero gives me great results with barebones simplicity. There’s not many unknown or variable factors with hydro generally. Take a while to get a given plants feeding and environment preferences dialled but when you reach the point where you just flower clones of the same mother you keep, it’s idiot proof and very little work. No media to buy, work with, recycle or dispose of.

Do you keep mothers in soil though?

 

[Spaventa]

Do you keep mothers in soil though?

No, hydroton/dripper. It’s super easy to control their growth but keep them healthy. A week before you want to take cuts, put the pump on constant, mist it with nitrozyme and switch the watts up on the ballast. When you aren’t working with that mother plant, you put the pump back 10m/hr and switch The light watts back down. No need to dump and refill res at different ECs, no trouble trimming roots, easy to keep clean.

 

[endgegner]

No, hydroton/dripper. It’s super easy to control their growth but keep them healthy. A week before you want to take cuts, put the pump on constant, mist it with nitrozyme and switch the watts up on the ballast. When you aren’t working with that mother plant, you put the pump back 10m/hr and switch The light watts back down. No need to dump and refill res at different ECs, no trouble trimming roots, easy to keep clean.

Sounds interesting. I hand-water everything and keep my parents in soil, so I have to water them less frequently. Does its job too, but a bit more work than your setup.
For growing indoors I stick to hydro too (If you also count coco DTW), because its more efficient than soil.

 

[Spaventa]

Sounds interesting. I hand-water everything and keep my parents in soil, so I have to water them less frequently. Does its job too, but a bit more work than your setup.
For growing indoors I stick to hydro too (If you also count coco DTW), because it’s more efficient than soil.

It’s pretty cheap too. I only have to buy the nutrients. If you buy the 20L packs it’s pretty cheap and lasts years if you keep it in a place protected from frost or heat. I’d say you can harvest a kg dry weight from a litre of nutrients roughly so about £2 worth.

 

[Spaventa]

I checked and the two remaining still haven’t cracked. I think it’s about a week now. No sign of any mould or death, no staining of the paper that would signal decomposition.
They are still hard and shiny.
So, braking from my don’t touch, wait protocol, I decided to mess with them. To weaken the casing. i used a razor blade to scrape them and trim the pointy bits off the ends. I did this with them where they were on the towels, refreshed the Nitrozyme solution and put them back to bed. We shall see.
Although I’ve seen one of two sprout later then this, most die and stain the paper brown in the second week. I didn’t want to wait for that if the embryos are trapped because time has seasoned the casing and made them harder to open. All guessing.

 

[Spaventa]

Update… the three that germinated are looking good in aero on second set of true leaves, no issues.
The two other seeds are still in paper towels. No sign of sprouting but no sign of decay, so they stay put.
It’s looking like I have 3 out of 5 so spots are vacant so I’m going to give those 2 seeds another 48 hours and if they still haven’t germinated, I’ll start the other pack in another container/batch.

 

[Spaventa]

Today I bit them! Got them between my teeth and just squeezed till I felt them give.
Fresh paper for their last 24 hours.
This is their last chance then it’s pack 2.

 

[Spaventa]

One of the seeds I bit has cracked and showing some embryo. I’m not getting too excited yet but we could be looking at 4/5 germination by tomorrow

 

[Spaventa]

I gave up on the 2 that hadn’t germinated after over 2 weeks and every trick in the book.
I put the other pack of 5 into germinate last night. Hoping I do as well if not better.
The three that started are doing well. One is much bigger and stretchier than the other two so I’m thinking 1 male at least already.

Edit. It just occurred to me that this may well be the very last pack of original Greenhouse Nevilles Haze regulars to be grown out. I REALLY hope I get the 13 week “Phenotype #1” lady. I really don’t care about males, pollen, breeding of the other two female phenotypes. I disliked them both in 2008.
The 13 weeker is the grail. I strongly suspect this Uptown/NYC Haze/Piff clone is Phenotype #1. Everything they say about how that cut smokes, grows and looks says so. The temporal correlation only adds to it.

 

[endgegner]

I gave up on the 2 that hadn’t germinated after over 2 weeks and every trick in the book.

I would still keep them in a wet medium. I have read that some seeds can sprout after months! Worst case is, nothing happens.

 

[3rd-3yed]

I would still keep them in a wet medium. I have read that some seeds can sprout after months! Worst case is, nothing happens.

Sorry but I disagree, that's quite a bad advice, especially if you're not using fresh worm casting to prevent any damping for months.

 

[endgegner]

Sorry but I disagree, that's quite a bad advice, especially if you're not using fresh worm casting to prevent any damping for months.

Info on The Real Seed Company?

Which Himalayan seeds ? Kumaoni, nanda Devi, and Rasoli

www.icmag.com

"^^^^
Overall not much to signal other than put in soil and water. For extra caution you can use @p59teitel 's recommendation.
What is important to understand though is that these are landrace seeds that come from a highly inhospitable environment and so they have developped hardcore coping mechanisms, chief among them dormancy. What this means is that they can take much longer time to germinate that you're used to if you've grown run of the mill western hybrids.

1. The majority of seeds will sprout fast ie less than 2 weeks,
2. some other seeds though can take up to two months to germinate. This was the case for me with some seeds from Nanda devi, several times. Also specifically in the case of Nanda Devi, you need to factor in that she has a wild component which reinforces that domancy mechanism.
3. Other seeds still can take anywhere from 6 months up to 3 years to germinate. I've had that with one of the first Nepalese release from RSC. The seeds didn't sprout after i sowed them and I thought they were dead - but it was ok because I got them as freebies. Still I recycled the soil I used to germinate them into one single pot. Imagine my surprise when 6 months later one seed sprouted. The process continued like that for several years, usually one, two or three seeds sprouting at a time several months later each time and the last 'living' seed sprouted 3 years after I had originally sown them. These seeds are really tough !

So basically what I'm trying to say : if ever they don't sprout after two months, don't assume they're dead. They're probably just dormant and will sprout eventually when they feel ready. This is not the most common scenario but it does happen from time to time."

EDIT: Above is a quote from @Lebanizer answering someone else. It is linked above but you may overlook it, so I have added this disclaimer.

 

[Spaventa]

I would still keep them in a wet medium. I have read that some seeds can sprout after months! Worst case is, nothing happens.

I had cracked them open with my teeth. They took on moisture and bloated but progressed no further over a week. When I checked the final time, the embryos were discoloured and turning to mush. I genuinely think they were dead seed from the outset.

That said, I won’t try biting open again. In future I will leave them as you say because why not.