Having a bad time with my first time grow

[Sunset]

Here is the progression since Nov. 18th.





I used Floranova Grow 1/tsp gal(distilled water) in the last 2 waterings 12/16&12/23, figuring the plant is old enough for 2tsp, so if I gave it half thats 1 tsp..
By the 29th its looking bad & has dry soil. So I flushed Saturday with 4 gal of tap water that sat out for two days. Figuring too many fert's.
Should I give it more FN Grow? I also bought a bottle of GH Diamond nectar to use. Have not tried yet, don't want to screw it up any worse. Bottle claims help with vigor... Maybe some Superthrive? Maybe just let it grow?
K.i.s.s. right..
Under a 6 bulb T5 18/6 for the last two weeks. Had been under 6-23watt cfl's in a Rubbermaid setup running 24/7
I checked the min/max thermo & it shows night65-lights running81- humidity runs 40-50% all the time.
Promix -40% Perlite 60% Was getting rootbound & transplanted from a 1 gal pot to this one. Three weeks ago.

Any and all help will be so much appreciated!

Peace, Luv & Nugs

 

[Brother_Monk]

What's the Ph of your nute mix? Is there a reason you are using distilled water? Try using regular tap water that has been de-chlorinated over a 24 hr period with your nute schedule. She does look a little on the Mg deficient. But Flora Nova Grow should have plenty of Mg in it already. Unless you are not giving her enough. Why only half dose? Do you have enough air moving around in your grow?

The only other thing that is disturbing to me is the night time temps seem a little low. Are you in a basement near a cold wall or floors? Cause that can cause the symptoms too.

 

[Chronic Newfie]

I use the same nutes as you dude. Your plant is totally able to take full strenght right now. I'm on my first grow and my plant is about the same size. I also use Promix too. I also use a growth stimulator called B'cuzz. I mix that with tap water (7.3ph) with the FN and the B'cuzz and after I'm done mixing the ph is usually around 6.2. I then add feed this to my plants. I check the run off and its around 5.6 - 5.8 usually. I have ph up and down but rarely need to use either or. I don't think distilled water is any good. It has no minerals in it. Tap water has calcium and mag which your plants need.

I've read in the "Indoor Marijuana Horticulture, by Jorge Cervantes" that 65 at night is ok and 75-80 during the day is ideal. I was always under the impression that a good fluxuation is good.

 

[jaypee89]

I used to have some yellow leaves as well. At first I thought it was a Nitrogen deficiency so I fed it hoping it would solve my problem. It didnt.

So I turned to the almight sproutco for help and he told me to go to my local pharmacy/drug-store and pick up a small box of Epsom Salt. Mixed in 1 teaspoon with a gallon of water and gave to my plants....after 2 days they were looking much healthier Turns out it was a Magnesium Deficiency.

Try it out.

If you can get your hands on some Gypsum that would be good too. Calcium and Magnesium go hand in hand...something like that.

 

[sproutco]

You don't need added calcium or magnesium with flora nova.

ml per gallon...

8 Flora Nova grow. Flora Nova is the one bottle solution to nutrients, note this mix is almost identical to Canna Aqua Vega, and GrowGreen's Nute Recipe
n 217
p 54
k 257
Mg 46

This would be a bit strong at 217 n. You need about 150 n for good growth. 150/217 x 8 ml = 5.5 ml or a little bit more than 1 teaspoon.

Adjust the fert water ph after mixing to about 6. This is probably the source of your problem. Things you could use to do this are in my signature below "how to make your own ph up and down".

Shake bottles well before each use.

When watering, pour enough on the plant so that you get runoff from the bottom. 20% of what you apply should pour out the bottom. Then let it dry quite a bit but do not let the plant go to wilting.

 

[Sunset]

Thaks for the reply's!
Fert water PH is 6.2
Just curious, should I make new fert water every time? I make a gallon at a time, but with just 1 bigger plant, lasts a long time.

I have stopped buying the distilled water, just using tap water that has sat out for two day's.
Should I now wait to give it more nutes? Because the soil is still wet from flushing with 4 gal of water.
Or should I try any foliar sprays? Superthrive or anything?

I have a 6" desk fan blowing over the tops. I also have a 85 cfm fan sucking air out of the cab. I just leave one door open a couple of inches & the temps stay at 80-81 all the time.
Also last night I put a heater in the same area as my box & kept the temps up to 70 with the lights off.

With the plant being so light yellow, think it still would be OK to try & take a few cuts? It is getting pretty bushy, figured opening it up a little might help..


Peace, Luv & Nugs

 

[Brother_Monk]

Let it dry out quite a bit before you fert again. A foliar spray would be good until you can next give it nutes. Don't know about superthrive tho, I've only used it for clones and transplants. Never could see any difference using it over not using it. Can you get a bigger fan in there or in front of your cab? This will help dry it out faster. Get her dancin' in the wind.

Here's what large temp changes can do. Not that this is what is causing your problem...but only why I voiced a concern.

Hope this has been helpful to you sunset.

Peace
BM

 

[sproutco]

Drop fert water ph from 6.2 to 5.8 ....When watering, pour enough on the plant so that you get runoff from the bottom. 20% of what you apply should pour out the bottom. Then let it dry quite a bit but do not let the plant go to wilting. :wink:

 

[Sunset]

Well here is my game plan for tonight, spray with Diamond Nectar at recommended strength. 190/ml gal foliar spray. Figured I will mix a litre water w/25ml of Diamond Nectar then spray. Top & bottom of leaves.

The put a small fan blowing on the bottom of my pot then put another small fan blowing directly on the plant.

Will have to wait until Saturday to get stuff to either make PH down or just buy some. I need to top off the boat batteries, so the sulfuric acid may be the purchase.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Interesting to see if the sun sets or rises on this garden.

Sunset - you do know sprout does not grow don't you. - he forgets to put that in his resume.

He likes some "unusual' treatments and regiments, like industrial chems - say battery acid just for instance. Did he mention the allowable limits for heavy metals in battery acid - well there is no limit, where as aquarium products use much cleaner ingredients. Put what you want in you body - but that is why I GROW - unlike sprout

Just a heads up to ya

Here's an excerpt from one of sprouts infamous Boron the miracle missing ingreedient posts - the post makes excellent reading if you get boored.

Here's the final post by site mods:
sproutco.....While your intentions may be good in trying to help other growers, without the proof to back up a method, whether it be a new or old method, leaves the proposed/suggested method in question. As a grower who most likely has alot more grows under their belt, along with univeristy studies regarding horticulture, I must....with all fairness in mind....say to 'all growers seeking grow information' on icmag that unless the person proposing such can back it up with credible info and pics, please do not take any such advice to heart, whether it be this thread or another. If someone can't back up their theory/method...then that should tell you something about the proposal.

Thread closed.
dg

here's the whole thread link:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42784&page=7&pp=40

Some of sprouts info is good, but some ain't for sour owl crap IMO - the wise newbie will act assordingly and possibly look for others opinions

shine on - be aleart - the world needs more lerts

 

[Sunset]

Hey captin, I have been reading here for quite sometime before I decided to even try.
While I agree some stuff blows me away that Sproutco suggests, but I have not a clue. So I will not judge you or he.
Even if he does cut & paste info. Ya got to read it all to know what to cut. I listen & try to make my own decsion's. To what sounds good & bad. I grow a 40 x 60 veggie garden & I can assure anyone here. Growing indoors is not the same. My Buddy who gave me this clone laughs his ass off cause, I'll have 20lbs of ripe tomato's before anyone else. But I am killing this & his are doing great.
For my instance I think it is more me & the air causing these troubles.
So far though all of what Sproutco has recomended for these last two months has helped & I appreciate that from him very much.
So Captin do you help folks too? Or try? Cause this poor farmer is killin his Plant.


I did mix some Floralicous plus @ 1/4tsp litre of water for a spray on her. Put the fan blowing directly on her tonight.
Going to change light to run 24/7 again. Just to keep temps up.
Will post some pics in a couple of days.

Peace, Luv & Nugs.

 

[sproutco]

At 6.2 ph my plants got less than perfect. Just a little ph change to 5.8 makes a dramatic difference.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

sprout has earned friends and helped gardens and there are others less successful. If I were growing petunias - his advice might be top notch - I don't grow petunias, and he don't grow pot. Plane and simple - and thought similar - I'm not smoking his petunias. ( I hear he buys his weed )
I have a huge problem with this battery acid crap.
Industrial grade chemicals may have lead, Mercury, arsenic, a couple different uranium's =awwww hell start at the top of the table of elements and go all the way down any of it could be in there and not all of it is what I want any more of thank you very much - you may disagree-
lots of shit that won't be found in food grade of aquarium grade products.
Did you read the Boron thread?
One gentle reader did a off center test run - the Boron plants hermied 100% with clone stock. It appears petunias LUV the shit though
K?
Now bout that garden - -
I gotta review - run down your PH and conditions (temps & humidity, soil, too) - your using CFL's?
My initial thought was OAD Over Attentive Disorder - your feeding too much watering a little wrong. tell us -
you had one poster that uses the same nutes and growing CANNABIS - that's helpful
Peeps got me to harvest a time or two.
brb - gotta review some

 

[Sunset]

Well that might be hard for me to do at the present moment to get real exact on PH. I have a drop soultion you compare to a chart on the bottle. Not real exact, know what I mean?

Here is another question, how do you check PH using GH PH test Indicator? When the nute mix is kinda brown? When I mixed the Floralicious Plus & tested before I sprayed. The color was somewhat orange but with a slight yellowing. According to label on test that should be 5.5-6.0
How long should mixed nutes be stored for? week or more? Or should they be mixed new for every watering?

Hey Capt, under a 6bulb T5 now.
moved out of the rubbermaid..LOL
Had all these "big" ideas..

 

[sproutco]

Foliar spray should be 6.2 to 7.

http://www.lotte-film.com./

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Use what ya got for now, it will tell ya more than not having it.

I use an electronic PH pen - or did for a month till I got it ironed out and running - then it sits on the shelf. until I have a problem arrise or change something


keep an eye on ebay - you can usually fond slightly used ones for a good price. It will pay for itself.

I'm reading a lot af added this and some of that and flushed -

and 60% pearlite?

60% that's a lot - approaching soiless

how long has that plant been in that pot?

 

[Sunset]

Well shit, now ya tell me..Sproutco. I saw the fert water deal saying "Drop fert water ph from 6.2 to 5.8 .." Then you have-"At 6.2 ph my plants got less than perfect. Just a little ph change to 5.8 makes a dramatic difference"

So Just the Plant run off & fret water at this PH level?
I am confused as hell now.

 

[sproutco]

5.8 ph fert water after adding your nutes. http://www.lotte-film.com./

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I never check the runoff I like my water and nutes at 6.0 +/- about .2 - so sprout and I agree

fooook I can't type!!!!


historical note-- hysterical?
I had a tramatic experience with a terribly low PH - like 4.summtin that fried 1/2 my garden It still brings back nightmares that make me wake screaming

I didn't have 2 helpers overseeing me and that was the day before I bought this test pen - and the reason I needed one.

 

[Sunset]

Sounds like I need to get me a pen for good measuring.

Yep, I wanted her to drain & dry out little faster then it was. I had previously mixed the orginal soil as 50% promix, 25% vermiculite & 25% perlite.
Just transferred from a 1 gal bag to the 16" pot its in now. On I think it was 12/16.

Will let her go for a few days & post some pics.
Can't do much now but wait.
Pretty small for a 10 week old plant. Just a weed though. Need to treat it as such
K.I.S.S. Right?