Has anyone grown Purple Haze x Chitral?

[snowday]

Couldn't find much info on this fem hybrid, nor a single pic (which is odd considering how colorful this cross promises to be). If anyone has grown this out, has info on nutrient preferences, phenotypes, and/or any other growing tips specific to the Purple Haze x Chitral, sharing your knowledge would be appreciated. Pics throughout the grow cycle would be awesome.

This is a feminized PCK x POTH, flowering was quoted at 10-12 weeks.

This lady is ~3 weeks veg and will be topped soon to train for SCROG.

 

[vladimiroslav]

Old beans or new cross? Sounds awesome, I'd like to get my hands on it.

 

[dubi]

Welcome snowday

I'm really happy to see this one! Purple Haze x PCK was a very limited edition released around 2008 (if i'm not wrong) so definately is not a new release. There's not much feedback about this cross, the packs released were just a few dozens and has not been recreated again.

Morfeo (a spanish grower) did a great job with the strain at the time, here are some pics that he made at harvest time, hopefully it works as reference.

It's a very classic 50/50 % sativa/indica hybrid, an extreme long flowering sativa crossed to a pure indica landrace, it's a bit more haze dominant.

You can find also a smoke report (in spanish) if you google 'purple haze chitral morfeo'.

Be moderate with the feeding, and expect moderate to long flowering time. The aromas are lovely: incensey and hazy, with the blackberry sweetness of PCK. The colors are great too, overall a good cross.

 

[snowday]

Thanks for the info and advice, Dubi! The colors in the photos you posted are so...motavating. Glad it's haze dominant as I hope this lady will make fine daytime smoke.

Here's a (software assisted) translation of morfeo's report:

Variety: Purple Haze x Pakistan Chitral Kush
Bank / Breeder: ACE Seeds
Grower: Morfeo
Tasting Date: April 2013

CATA VISUAL:

Buds: typically haze, slightly dense (poca densa), dark purple *
Pistils: orange and long
Calyx / leaf ratio: good ratio, few leaves
Trichomes: Throwing smaller but quite abundant, all milky with 20% amber at the cut, curing to all gold
Presence of seeds? No, sin semillas

CATA DRY:

Weight: 0.5 g
Hardness goose
Aroma of buds: sweet incense *
Aroma of crumbled buds: Strong haze, incense, lightly fruity note
Smokeless Taste: same

CATA BURNING:

Medium: Spliff w/mouthpiece
Aroma Burning: Not sure, this house always smells of grass
Burning Taste: Upon inhalation I notice part incense and spicy haze, and on exhale obvious fruit flavors, candy and not overpowering citrus

Taste: 0 for minimum 10 to maximum. Fill as many boxes as necessary.

Acrid [] Bittersweet [] Musk [] Ammonia [] Anise [] Blueberry [] Berry [] Coffee [] Meat [] Cathedral [] Cedar [] Cherry [] Bubblegum [] Chocolate [] Citrus [6] Coconut [] Fuel [] Sweet [3] Spice [7] Floral [] Strawberry [] Fruit [7] Sweets [5] Hash [] Weed [] Iron [] Incense [8] Soap [] Lemon [6] Wood [2] Mango [ ] Peach [] Melon [] Mint [] Menthol [] Honey [] Moss [] Orange [4] Nutmeg [] Oil [] Perfume [] Leather [] Pepper [] Pine [] Pineapple [] Rotten [] Grapefruit [] Cheese [] Chemical [] Liquorice [] Skunk [] Earthy [] Grape [] Vanilla []

EFFECTS:

Initial effects, duration: Arrives quickly, is not devastating but is felt, start mostly sativa but the descent is something physical, typical hybrid effect but quite clean and very nice .. if connected, can get laughs, and fat.

Type of effects: Cerebral at first, but if you smoke reaches the ceiling very soon followed

Recommended for: take you with colleagues, walk, talk

Not recommended for: sports or really active things, but if you are used to smoking can be

Tolerance is difficult to determine when enough is smoked, but when the physical lowering arrives, you smoke after another and this time in high ..

Guide to Effects: Aim [P] if you noticed a positive effect and [N] if you had a negative effect. Specifies if necessary.

[P] [] * Specific Activity: if moderate
[P] [] Anxiety Relief
[P] [N] Pain relief
[P] [] Appetite
[P] [] Ability to rest or sit still
[P] [N] Sleep
[P] [] Imagination / creativity
[P] [] Sex drive
[P] [] Introspection
[] [N] Paranoia
[P] [] Auditory Perception
[P] [] Humor perception
[P] [N] Visual perception
[P] [] Taste perception
[P] [N] Speech process
[P] [] Process thinking
[] [N] Tachycardia

Additional Information:

Light: Exterior
Substrate: 12 liters compost
Fertilizer: humus, hammerhead (advanced nutrients), delta 9, Bloombastic, molasses
Irrigation: Manual
Flowering Time :80-90 days do not usually count *
Time of drying / curing: 15 days / 5 months
Seed / Cutting: seed
Mother? Preserved? Me not, but someone I keep when I broke a branch
Comments: Very good level, a very balanced hybrid .. A haze caramel fruit PCK, cheerful and positive effect ..

 

[snowday]

The PHxPCK has responded well 6 days after topping :

The fan leaf droopage you see is a result of the 2nd conditioning treatment of 6 hours of heat stress (@ 90F) from the previous day to induce the transcription and translation of heat shock proteins (and their molecular chaperones) that will improve thermotolerance, lessen interruption of cellular homeostasis due to stressors, and ultimately protect the plant and its clone progeny through their lives as a result (not gonna get into the "will doing this improve seeds made from this plant" deep end). The presence of these proteins due to this conditioning protects plants from otherwise lethal exposure to elevated heat. It's summer; nothing is being left to chance.

For those that may doubt this optional stress step in veg (only done twice), note the vigor and angle of the foliage in the first post of this thread - that was ~48 hours after the initial heat conditioning (which was 2 hours @90F). For the curious, additional lights were activated to temporarily increase cabinet temps. No more heat stress will be needed to condition this lady.

The new growth looks very happy. The stem colors are a promising sign of things to come:

 

[snowday]

Potted up to organically amended soil (appropriate proportions of bone/blood meal, dolomitic lime powder, and mosquito bits), have been topped at growth nodes, and shown training for the SCROG. There's an unsexed Bangi Haze along for the ride as well. The BH will get about 1/3 of the space and give the PHxPCK (which has 3x more soil than the BH) plenty of room to branch out.

This is ~5 weeks from germination.

Here's the female Purple Haze x Chitral:

Here's the Bangi Haze:

 

[snowday]

Hey Dubi,

If the Bangi Haze turns out to be male and it was crossed to the Purple Haze x Chitral (just chucking some pollen on an isolated flower or two), what range of flowering times might the F1 phenotypes have?

The BH is fantastic and a 75% Sativa with these genetics may be great daytime smoke. I suppose that if the potential mother is Haze dominant then there could be risk of increasing flowering time beyond that of the PH x PCK.

Regardless of the sex of the BH, plenty of clones are in order as both of these individuals have great traits so far; tight internode spacing, healthy vigor, heat stress tolerance, trainability, nutrient acceptance, etc.

More pics soon to show response to LST. A 45 degree SCROG screen is being contemplated to maximize surface area and get new and old growth aligned in a uniform canopy for even flowering maturity. Anyone's thoughts on other yield-maxing techniques are welcome.

In the meantime, enjoy the show and get ready for a purple monster.

 

[snowday]

Responded well to LST; after just one day new growth is vigorous. More topping will commence to fill out the horizontal space.

 

[snowday]

Update time if anyone's tuned in.

Installed adjustable scrog rails that can be moved up or down in the cabinet pegs; secured w/screws but easy to move.

The feminized PHxPCK is exploding. The BH is filling out; hopefully up soon. Advice is welcome on maximizing yield moving forward. A clone of the BH has rooted and will likely be put in 12/12 soon to sex.

 

[snowday]

If anyone's curious, if the BH is femme it'll get a larger soil container. Either way is welcome; if dude, new 75% sativa cross. If lady, Bangi sensemilla!

By the time the BH clone shows sex it should be time to take mother clones and flip to 12/12.

 

[Texan]

nice. loving the bh!

 

[osprey]

Beautiful colors in those buds!

 

[Waldgeist]

The PHxPCK has responded well 6 days after topping :
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The fan leaf droopage you see is a result of the 2nd conditioning treatment of 6 hours of heat stress (@ 90F) from the previous day to induce the transcription and translation of heat shock proteins (and their molecular chaperones) that will improve thermotolerance, lessen interruption of cellular homeostasis due to stressors, and ultimately protect the plant and its clone progeny through their lives as a result (not gonna get into the "will doing this improve seeds made from this plant" deep end). The presence of these proteins due to this conditioning protects plants from otherwise lethal exposure to elevated heat. It's summer; nothing is being left to chance.

For those that may doubt this optional stress step in veg (only done twice), note the vigor and angle of the foliage in the first post of this thread - that was ~48 hours after the initial heat conditioning (which was 2 hours @90F). For the curious, additional lights were activated to temporarily increase cabinet temps. No more heat stress will be needed to condition this lady.

The new growth looks very happy. The stem colors are a promising sign of things to come:
View Image

Thank you very much!

 

[Waldgeist]

'...and ultimately protect the plant and its clone progeny through their lives as a result...'

Is the timely point in plant life of any importance?
Can this be done to motherplants of any age?

 

[Waldgeist]

I may chime in on nutritional questions, if thats your intrest!

What kind of nutrition does your plant recieve right now?

Do you plan to flower 12/12 or is there a reduction of 'on' time in planning?

 

[snowday]

nice. loving the bh!

Thanks! Hope it packs on some weight.

 

[snowday]

Beautiful colors in those buds!

I can't wait to see the change. It will be documented for prosperity

 

[snowday]

'...and ultimately protect the plant and its clone progeny through their lives as a result...'

Is the timely point in plant life of any importance?
Can this be done to motherplants of any age?

Most plants, including cannabis, have genes that (when expressed) are encoded with the right info to create a working heat defense boost via the heat shock proteins (HSP) I mentioned.

The process that triggers the activation of the HSP genes need not occur at a specific phase in the maturity cycle, but should never be initiated until at earliest the cultivar is established, healthy, and in a young adult growth phase. It's unwise to do this during flowering as you don't want to distract her with this when she's packing on the sinse! You can heat stress an older mother in veg as she'll have the genes too, they've just been dormant (assuming you've regulated temps to keep 70-80 F).

Hardier, larger cultivars can withstand non-fatal heat doses that would kill a 5 node plant that has barely past the seedling milestone, but IMHO it's better to activate the HSP system when there's far less plant mass to recover from the stress.

It's a simple treatment; 90F (no hotter) for 1 hour, wait a day, repeat once more. It's best to water prior to this so the root mass is cooler.

Once active, the HSPs are transcribed during each cellular replication. This means you won't need to heat shock clones taken from a mother that has already been heat shocked.

 

[Sforza]

I can't wait to see the change. It will be documented for prosperity

Posterity too.

 

[snowday]

I may chime in on nutritional questions, if thats your intrest!

What kind of nutrition does your plant recieve right now?

Do you plan to flower 12/12 or is there a reduction of 'on' time in planning?

The plant in question was potted in organic soil amended with blood meal, bone meal, dolomitic lime, and mosquito bits. Once a week feeding has occurred with half strength PBP grow. Filtered, unadulterated water otherwise.

The plan is a one day step down from 18/6 to 14/10, next day to 12/12. There are many schools of thought on this, but it has been determined that the photoperiods I mentioned are a sufficient transition.

peace,
snowday