Has anyone ever used CEASE (bacillus subtilis) fungicide?

[balsamfirgreen]

This looks very promising, is non-chemical, a pro-biotic bacteria bacillus subtilis. It also says that it is compatible with Bt, Greencure/Milstop, etc. OMRI listed. Claims to not leave residue or burn flowers and can be used up to harvest. Could this be the miracle cure to botrytis? Anyone ever use this?

http://greenearthagandturf.com/cease-info-sheet.pdf
http://www.bioworksinc.com/products/cease/cease-label.pdf
http://www.bioworksinc.com/products/cease/compatibility-chart.pdf

 

[MileHighGlass]

You can just make your own lacto serum in about 2 weeks for not much money. Should be more concentrated as well. There are plenty of videos on youtube. It's super easy.

 

[balsamfirgreen]

by lacto serum you mean as in raw milk dilution for PM and other molds and mildew? also known for keeping vaginas clean? does this work on botrytis though?

after a little wondering why bacillus subtilis sounded so familiar - its because it is - its the same and only ingredient in serenade. I wonder about the concentration in comparison to CEASE.

 

[balsamfirgreen]

ok, its official Serenade concentrate IS CEASE. could you post a link of making bacillus subtilis serum production i cant find any such thing on youtube.

 

[MileHighGlass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezs3LX91lD8

 

[balsamfirgreen]

FYI cease and serenade are both 1.34% bacillus subtillus, is that the same as the lacto-serum?

 

[dank.frank]

Lactobacillus and bacillus subtilis are NOT the same thing...

Same phylum and class, but a different order.

I use a beneficial bacteria mix that contains bacillus subtilis and consider it essential to building a proper biological barrier. It can induce SAR in plants and is a great tool for bio-remediation.

In products like Serenade it is a byproduct of the bacterial activity, lipopeptides, that is actually creating a control vector as the actual bacteria cells are generally no longer living or not at least not in quantities necessary to create a sustained population.

It is for this reason, I prefer products that are applied to the soil, which can then attribute to SAR within the plant.



dank.Frank

 

[MileHighGlass]

Lactobacillus and bacillus subtilis are NOT the same thing...

Same phylum and class, but a different order.

I use a beneficial bacteria mix that contains bacillus subtilis and consider it essential to building a proper biological barrier. It can induce SAR in plants and is a great tool for bio-remediation.

In products like Serenade it is a byproduct of the bacterial activity, lipopeptides, that is actually creating a control vector as the actual bacteria cells are generally no longer living or not at least not in quantities necessary to create a sustained population.

It is for this reason, I prefer products that are applied to the soil, which can then attribute to SAR within the plant.



dank.Frank

I'm glad you corrected me. I clearly wasn't paying attention. Ironically I use a product with bacillus subtilus in it from dragon fly earth medicine. I only use it in flower for certain weeks.

Again, thanks for the correction.

 

[dank.frank]

Not a problem at all. Perks of the hive mind.



dank.Frank

 

[corky1968]

Lactobacillus acidophilusis is what is in active yogurt.
I'm not sure if you should be adding that to your soil though.

Maybe it's good?

http://www.perennialroots.com/the-invisible-garden-probiotics-soil-health/

I wish I had some Cherry Yogurt now.

 

[dank.frank]

Lactic acid bacteria are a good thing to apply when composting your soil mix to kick it into high gear. I have a sticky about it in the Stank Bros sub-forum.



dank.Frank

 

[corky1968]

Lactic acid bacteria are a good thing to apply when composting your soil mix to kick it into high gear.

I like using BLACK GOLD as my secret soil agent. I can't wait to go get some in a few weeks.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7415353&postcount=177

 

[Bwanabud]

I thought it was the copper sulfate in Serenade, that stopped/killed mold ?