Hangoverness

[rusto]

It seems like some buds i get make me stupider feeling and give me a next day hangover where you feel all slow and confused the next day. That is if you are smoking them often for a little while first. I got some new stuff that seems to cheer me up and not give me such a shitty next day. The buds i grew seem to give you a nice feeling at the time but rough the next day. As well as others that just made my mind race and kept me up all night until possibly completely sober.

I also noticed that if you go joggging for say a half an hour or like 2 miles to start out it will really help your lungs and keep your brain from farting.

sorry for this weird message, i took a break from smoking and just did now, im really stoned haha. hope everyone has a good night




my bagseed^

 

[rusto]

whoa i feel like an idiot the next day nobody responded...

does anyone get these hangovers im talking about from different strains?

 

[I Used To Grow]

nope...just drink a lot of water or OJ afterwards

or is that with alchohol?

 

[IdntknowMarlbro]

i get them somewhat, right now im on a break clearing my head cuz it takes too much weed to get me stoned real good. and i just starting growing again so cant wait to get some nice sativa's finished.

one of my good buddies tho talks about his weed hangovers in the morning. not sure what causes it, but i wanna find out.

how do you usually smoke?
is it with certain strains?

 

[Silver Bullet]

I used to definately get a weed hangover the next day. But that was way back when I didn't smoke but only a few times a week.

The people here smoke every day so....

But yeah, its possible the hangover never went away, but I just got used to the feeling.

 

[Gangabiss]

The only time I get a 'hangover' from smoking weed is if I toke a fat spliff right before bed and then I wake up like I've just been smacked round the head...in a good way though

I'd say it's more likely you aren't getting enough vitamins or you're blood sugar is too low the next day because you haven't been eating right. When you smoke some very good weed it's like a small psychedelic trip and so you're brain will need to use more food to keep it going at this higher pace.

Start eating more healthily (especially more vitamin C) and you should see an improvement.

This is all merely my own opinion by the way...I could be wrong.

 

[TokenBlackGuy]

I just started smokin again and all i have is strawberry diesel to smoke..boo hoo..It has been a long anxious 4 month retirement.. StrawD always gets my mind racing and paranoid when i smoke too much.. When i smoked today it took about three hits for me to get to that level...
I even pooled a sog plant at day 48 just to feel the buzz and the buds are whippin my ass..

 

[rusto]

I always meant to pickup some vitamins, I'm gonna get on that.

I didn't exactly mean like one as bad as alcohol, just where you feel "burnt out" the next day. My job requires a lot of head thinking and processing so I've noticed it from that.

I guess basically what im talking about is the stupidness some feel from smokin too much. I just noticed it tends to happen easier with different strains.

 

[Guest]

Rusto - Dude thats so cool you posted this. I was JUST thinking about this today.

Let me tell you why.

Yesterday, after not smoking in a few weeks, I probably smoked a few bowls over the course of the afternoon-night. It was a hybrid of sorts. It gave me a lot of energy actually, and I was running, working out, etc...that whole day. The night came, and I had to drive 2 hours back to another city for my Grandma's funeral.

This morning, I woke up, and felt a bit off. My entire family was in the kitchen, along with a relative. I knew that a few minutes after I woke up I felt different. I felt SLOW and kinda confused.... like all I wanted to do was just sit in the backyard and watch the sun and sky. Instead, as soon as I came out of my room everyone started asking me questions.

In fact, I generally don't like being around energetic people when I wake up. Especially people who are caffeinated, like my mom. I feel like they just come up to me and latch onto me, with their questions.

But this morning was particularly bad since I smoked the day before. My cousin started asking me questions, and since I haven't seen her in ages, I felt I should talk to her. Not only were her questions boring, but they required me to think harder, and the pace of her brain was working way faster. All I wanted to do was go away. I didn't feel like trying that hard.

And that is what it feels like, the weed hangover. Like my brain is just slower. Conversations with people just take more work...or even things that you have to think about seem harder.

This is even the case if I vaporize, it seems.

I'm interested though if its just the indica strains that seem to give you that stupidness. By the way, I don't think its stupidness necessarily, but more just that your operating at a slower pace. Your intellect is still there, but you take longer to think about what you want to say.

It really is the opposite of a caffeinated hyper person, who's words just fall out of their mouth so fast... its just hard to keep up. It seems like that is how much of society is turning into. Fast fast fast fast fast. I think you miss alot of things by operating at a fast brain speed. I always notice the morning after I smoked, the sunrise always stands out to me more... its because my brain isn't going so fast, the slower peaceful things tend to stand out more.

 

[Guest]

Oh one other things I wanted to add. I can usually always tell when my sister has smoked the night before. I can tell because her words are more slurred and relaxed sounding. Its like her brain is slowed down...

Over winter break, I was smoking more...and noticed that it had been a week and I was still feeling kinda slowed down. It took a few days after I stopped, before I felt clear again. There is definitely something going on with this. It can be a good thing to feel more slowed down, especially if you tend to be anxious and stuff. But I don't drink caffeine anymore, so the slowed down feeling stays with me longer.

Also, I know what you mean, about smoking certain strains that make your mind race and can't sleep. Don't early harvest your bud...that will tend to make it racy. Wait awhile until some of those other cannabinoids can develop, like the CBD's...

Maybe its possible if the weed is older, you'll get more of the stupyfying effect. I have heard that CBN is the culprit to this, not sure tho.

 

[rusto]

nice dude thats crazy

 

[Guest]

I think it has to do with the strength of your nerves, specifically your myelin sheets.

What I mean by this is that if you don't build up your nerve fibers and myelin sheet with exercises like aerobics, preferably aerobics with resistance, when you smoke a potent strain of herb it will wear down your nerves and the next day you will feel like you have a hangover because your nerves are trying to rebuild themselves.

Aerobics works on the fibers that deal with fat oxidation and coincidentally
so does thc and other cannabinoids so if you put two and two together you will see that a weak nerve system will give the sluggish effects you feel when you smoke a potent strain.

Also take some lecithin which helps with the repair of myelin sheets.

So try to do some type of aerobics with some resistance to build up your tolerance to strong cannabis and take lecithin(gnc.com) to build up repairs faster. Peace.

 

[Guest]

Here's an article to help you understand the role myelin play in the brain and body:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myelin
Function of myelin layer

The main consequence of a myelin layer (or sheath) is an increase in the speed at which impulses propagate along the myelinated fiber. Along unmyelinated fibers, impulses move continuously as waves, but, in myelinated fibers, they hop (or "propagate by saltation"). Myelin increases resistance by a factor of 5,000 and decreases capacitance by a factor of 50[verification needed]. Myelination also helps prevent the electrical current from leaving the axon. When a peripheral fiber is severed, the myelin sheath provides a track along which regrowth can occur. Unmyelinated fibers and myelinated axons of the mammalian central nervous system do not regenerate.

This basically means it helps you to think quicker and more effeciently.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061126121201.htm

Blame Myelin For Many Neuropsychiatric Disorders

Science Daily — What makes the human brain unique? Of the many explanations that can be offered, one that doesn't come readily to mind is — myelin.

Conventional wisdom holds that myelin, the sheet of fat that coats a neuron's axon — a long fiber that conducts the neuron's electrical impulses — is akin to the wrapping around an electrical wire, protecting and fostering efficient signaling. But the research of UCLA neurology professor George Bartzokis, M.D., has already shown that myelin problems are implicated in diseases that afflict both young and old — from schizophrenia to Alzheimer's.

Now, in a report published in the journal Biological Psychiatry and available online,

Myelin, argues Bartzokis, who directs the UCLA Memory Disorders and Alzheimer's Disease Clinic, is "a recent invention of evolution. Vertebrates have it; invertebrates don't. And humans have more than any other species."

 

[Guest]

Does myelin - the brain's white substance - dictate teens' risky behavior and worsen neurological disorders?
By Scott LaFee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

February 8, 2006


SCOTT LINNETT / Union-Tribune
UCLA neurology professor George Bartzokis says a key factor in determining human behavior is myelin, a fat that coats the brain's neural connections.
In popular vernacular, the human brain is “gray matter” – the 100 billion or so nerve cell bodies that form the basis and biology of our minds, and give the brain its characteristic pinkish-gray hue.

But white matters, too. “White matter” is myelin, a pale lipid or fat that envelopes the trillions of fibrous axons connecting neuron to neuron, making the brain a singular, functioning whole.

While gray matter is typically credited with defining who we are, white matter tends to be described as mere “insulation.” A professor of neurology at UCLA begs to differ.

* Myelin's role doesn't diminish as people age

“The single biggest factor that makes us human is not just our brain, but the amount of myelin in it,” says Dr. George Bartzokis. “Myelin is one of evolution's latest inventions. Vertebrates have it; invertebrates don't. And humans have more than anything else.”

Over a lifetime, Bartzokis says, the brain busily sheathes axons in myelin – a process called myelination that not only insulates axons from external dangers but dramatically speeds the transmission and quality of signals between nerve cells.

“Think of the Internet. Myelination makes axons more efficient. It increases bandwidth. Axons are able to do more so our brains are able to do more.”

It is myelination, as much as any developmental process in our brains, he says, that determines the character and nature of a person's mind and personality.

In a paper published late last year in Adolescent Psychiatry, Bartzokis hypothesized that the brash, risky behavior of teens and young adults is related, at least in part, to incomplete myelination in critical thinking areas of the brain.

Beyond that, he says, incomplete or disrupted myelination contributes to or worsens autism, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (AD/HD) and schizophrenia. It also helps explain why younger people are more vulnerable to drug and alcohol abuse.


A scanning electron micrograph of optic nerve fibers. Myelin sheathing makes them work faster and better.
Some researchers, of course, remain to be convinced.

“I am wary of arguments for things that 'set us apart' from other animals,” says John Allen, a biological anthropologist at USC.

“I think by now it's a widely held belief that myelination is very important in many different ways,” says Frank Haist, a project scientist in psychiatry at UCSD. “But I don't think it has been proven yet that it's a distinct process, separate from other developmental processes.”

But others say Bartzokis' ideas both expand and correct conventional wisdom.

“What excites me the most about George's research is the potential it has not just to challenge long-held dictums about the biological basis of a number of diseases, but to also ensure that myelinated structures, which make up more than half of the brain's volume, are accorded the significance they deserve,” says Dr. Mark Walterfang, a neuropsychiatrist at Melbourne Neuropsychiatry Centre in Australia.

Weighty thoughts

Imagine myelin as an ultra-thin sheet of high-cholesterol fat. The cholesterol allows myelin to wrap tightly around axons, layer upon layer like electrical tape around bare wire.

Myelination takes time. A newborn's brain has plenty of neurons but not so many axons. In the first decade or so of life, myelination occurs primarily in regions that govern essential primary functions, such as vision, hearing and motor skills, as well as basic thinking and rudimentary impulse control.

Portions of the brain responsible for more cerebral and abstract functions, such as reasoned thought, are myelinated later in the 20s, 30s and beyond.

Using MRIs and a 1907 study of postmortem brains, Bartzokis has found that maximum myelination doesn't occur, on average, until around age 50 – a finding since replicated in other studies.

“It used to be thought that brain development ended in young adulthood, but now we know (it) continues throughout life,” says Paul Thompson, a UCLA neurology professor. “I think George would agree that it doesn't stop in the 50s. It's just overtaken by the negative effects of aging, so that the net effect is mental decline after that age.”

The sequential process of myelination, according to Bartzokis, is profoundly significant. A baby's brain brims with neurons, with more produced every day. Around age 7 to 9, the skull becomes rigid and a fundamental transformation begins. The brain starts to selectively prune away underutilized cells and synapses to make room for the myelination process to continue. Freed resources are diverted to developing brain regions responsible for higher thinking skills, from language to abstract thought.

“Impulse control and behavior are things you have to modulated on a second by second basis,” said Bartzokis. “Those inhibitory controls aren't fully functional in young people because the portions of their brains that house them – the frontal lobes – aren't myelinated until the 30s or later.

“So you can sit down with a teenager and ask them what is the right thing to do, and they'll usually come up with the right answer. But in real life, they won't (at least some of the time). Their critical cognitive systems probably aren't processing with enough immediacy yet to impact their behavior in real time. Their inhibitory circuits are not all online.”

Robert F. McGivern, an SDSU psychologist who has studied the processing of emotional information, agrees. “If you take a very young brain, say a 3-or 4-year-old, the brain organizes itself around experience. You can train that child to learn to read very early and the brain will be well-myelinated in those parts of the brain needed for reading.

“But it will be at the expense of myelination in other areas. Feral children (isolated from human contact) are not brain-damaged. Their neural circuitry has organized and myelinated differently.

“The implication for adults is this: The process continues. As we experience things over and over, we form better connections between circuits. Well-myelinated, these circuits are more efficient and rapid. They do most of the thinking before we're consciously aware.”

Abuse and addiction

With their critical thinking skills still developing, the young are more prone to experiment with drugs and alcohol, and that abuse may impact their ability to eventually think long-term. Bartzokis explains that myelination is extremely vulnerable to damage and disruption. Oligodendrocytes – brain cells that produce cholesterol for myelin – are easily harmed or killed by certain drugs, head trauma, environmental toxins and stress hormones like cortisol.

Incomplete or impaired myelination makes addiction to drugs or alcohol more likely, suggests Bartzokis, citing a 2002 study in Biological Psychiatry that showed cocaine addicts do not seem to myelinate normally.

“If you look at (the data), you will see that the average 40-or 45-year-old cocaine addict has the same amount of white matter as the average 19-year-old.”

Does poor myelination cause addiction? Bartzokis doesn't go that far, saying more research is needed. Addiction is a confounding condition with a suspected genetic component. Thompson at UCLA notes that dopamine and serotonin – neurotransmitters involved in the regulation of emotion, thought and pleasure – are altered in addicts. Abnormal myelination may play a role, he says, but it's too early to say with certainty.

Bartzokis asserts that incomplete myelination may also play a role in autism, AD/HD and schizophrenia. In these, gender looms large. Males suffer disproportionately at younger ages. Female brains myelinate earlier and faster, most notably in regions concerned with higher thinking skills.

“Look at language abilities. Girls typically have better communication skills at an earlier age than boys. The brain has to work very, very fast, and that means myelinated axons. It's not that boys aren't using their brains. It's just that the neural processes aren't equal. Using the Internet analogy, it's the difference between using a telephone line connection and a T3 line. Girls are technologically ahead until boys catch up in their 20s.”

Substantial research supports this idea. A recent Israeli study found the corpus collosum – a bridge of nerve tissue connecting the brain's right and left hemispheres – was thicker in 26-week-old female fetuses than similarly aged males. Neuroimaging studies have shown that men typically process language using only the left half of their brain while women use both hemispheres.

Good fat

Proving that myelin is critical to normal, healthy brain development and function is just part of the equation. The other part is figuring out what to do if this proves true. In one sense, we already know, says Bartzokis.

“Good diet, exercise, low blood pressure. These things are all good for the brain, probably more than people realize.”

The role of nutrition may be particularly important. In order to build membranes – “and myelin is the ultimate membrane” – the body requires sufficient supplies of essential fatty acids found in fish oils, flaxseed, grains and nuts. But the diets of young people are notoriously poor, he says, and likely to be deficient in key nutrients.

As more becomes known, Bartzokis believes scientists will craft drugs and treatments to boost myelination. “In science, once you can measure something, you can begin to fix it.”

The brain is the universe's greatest mystery, a 3-pound black box. But if Bartzokis' ideas about myelin prove right, some of the answers will be white – and matter.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure lotty. I've smoked not too potent strains and still gotten it. I exercise a lot more than the average person. I think its probably a characteristic of weed to some extent, and also has to do with the type of weed.

Its also more noticable when you have taken a break from weed and use it... I think if you use it frequently you might not realize how much it effects you because it has built up in you.

 

[Guest]

Do you eat a lot of the type of fats that was mentioned in the article I posted as well as lecithin?.

I ask this because exercise only is beneficial if you eat the right foods and at the right times.

Like I always say, the best time to get VERY POSITIVE effects from exercise, you have to eat within an hour before AND after you workout. If you don't do this you will actually make your body worse.

I speak from experience and I do not want to go back to that and that's why I know so much about this subject as far exercise, food nutrient ratio, timing of eating, and where to get these nutrients from. I constantly looked on the web, asked people, and followed a training regime that I got from www.musclenow.com.

Me being a vegetarian made it that I HAD to KNOW what I was doing because for us, the proper knowledge on how to do things isn't openly out there at least that makes sense. I'm glad I went on this journey because I learned so much. Peace.

 

[rusto]

thanks for the info

 

[Guest]

I forgot to add that vitamin C, 500-1000mg, within an hour before and after you smoke plays an important part in recovering from and preventing hangovers also. Peace.

 

[Guest]

Lotty - I still haven't tried out the vitamin C. Well, I think I probably have done it before, but didn't notice a lot.

The thing is, its just a pain in the ass to take vitamin C all the time. I guess if your a dedicated toker you want to be high all the time, and not burn out... so you can do it. I guess I don't like smoking all the time, or to get really blasted.

Whatever. I guess its just good to know you can take vitamin C if it works. Right now I'm taking American Ginseng and damn I'm starting to like this stuff. Its not as stimulating as the red panax ginseng, in a good way though. I'm also using swedish snus once a day it seems... altogether feel pretty good.

Sometimes I obsess. I think too much about what I"m taking and this and that. Its like, well... gee... the american ginseng costs 20 bucks, versus 12 for a chinese ginseng extract. How many uses can i get out of this? Is it cheaper than the swedish snus, ect?

Anyways, I just obsess and ask so many questions to myself... when... I would probably just be okay cycling between whatever I want... whatever is the cheapest and makes me feel the best, with the least health risks.

I guess we are all on that journey. Trying to feel good. Knowing about the vitamin C is one other tool in the toolbelt.

 

[Guest]

The thing is, when your body gets used to the vitamin C teaching your glands not to release a lot of stress hormones you won't have to take it with every smoke session.

Most people are used to having a lot of stress hormones released and think this is normal and healthy BUT it isn't and that's why if you take the vitamin C before AND after a stressful event such as smoking and exercise, you will teach the adrenal glands to not release so much of the stress hormones BUT the secret is timing, dosage, and length of time that you do this and over time you will strengthen the glands and the need for taking vitamin C all day will be diminished because if you are eating right, you will be getting some from your diet and this will keep everything running effecient.

Also, even though the ginseng is working NOW, if you don't supply your body with the right nutrients at the time of taking the ginseng, it will soon not work the same and you will find yourself taking more to achieve the same effect until the ginseng start causing problems for you. This is true for all herbs and alcohol.

Fats are something that is VERY important if you take a lot of herbs that I haven't touched on. Lecithin, nuts, and saturated fats such as grass fed butter or coconut and palm oil are very important to also keep things running effeciently but most don't get enough of these.

The fats help make hormones and A LOT if not all herbs use hormones to do their job BUT if you are not eating the right fats, minerals and taking vitamin C to get the process going, your hormone levels will not be high enough and problems will start.

In our case calcium is needed because it gets the leptin hormone going and this hormone breaks down fats which will get the thc and other cannabinoids to be used to a higher degree than if it weren't as active. Peace.